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What is really behind the hatred of the President?

Common Sense 1 said:
They have been told to hate/oppose Trump with what ever he does. I wrote what I think could be be a reason for what is happening. I will add
that there is upset on the establishment republican side also. The staunch never Trumpers have tried many things to derail him.
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I'm not arguing with that which is why I have tried not to make this a politically partisan issue. The Permanent Political Class in Washington on both sides of the aisle are equally personally motivated to maintain the status quo that is bad for the country but that is personally enriching them greatly. President Trump threatens that status quo.

So at least with them, we have a motive.

But what is the motive of the mainstream press and the venom coming from social media and on message boards? What causes it? I can't believe that they are all indignant with President Trump's communication style as it is largely like theirs without the vulgarity.
 
bearpoker said:
Did he or did he not undermine his own secretary of state when he was talking to China about North Korea? The man is a menace.
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I've heard the spin on that. But what did he specifically say or do in context please? It is the spin I'm hoping somebody will explain.
 
bearpoker said:
Did he or did he not undermine his own secretary of state when he was talking to China about North Korea? The man is a menace.
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I didn't get that impression. He actually lent him extra weight by emphasising that he thought that tillerson was wasting time and it was time to act and so upping the ante. That indicated that he would carry through with a strike but was willing to see what State could achieve.
 
RetiredUSN said:
No.

Much of the anger is based on lies, but there are some legit reasons out there to be angered by "The Donald"
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Yes. He has said a few things that had me muttering too. Sometimes I still feel justified in my personal displeasure. And sometimes, in retrospect, I see the method, even genius, at times in his presumed madness. But what President has not said something that many, if most of the people, haven't liked? President Bush 41 will probably always be remembered for his "Read my lips! No new taxes!" promise that he subsequently broke for honorable reasons but to the detriment of the economy and his own re-election prospects. Nobody on his side supported him in that, but he wasn't hated for it. There wasn't non stop trashing of him personally by the mainstream media et al.

President Obama was almost as bad about gaffes as Vice President Biden and made some truly unacceptable characterizations of people, but that wasn't sufficient justification to hold him in utter contempt, disrespect, hatred no matter what he said or did for all time.

So why is that the case with President Trump from so many?
 
His entire campaign was based upon opportunizing the average conservative's hatred from Obama, which was groomed in them for eight years by the GOP. It was compounded by a total failure liberal candidate that even liberals didn't want to vote for.

Then he got into office and it was readily apparent that he was unqualified. His entire Presidency is supported by tweeting and pop culture. His policy making is abysmal and his personal involvement in low level politics, like the NFL, is truly embarrassing.
 
joG said:
I didn't get that impression. He actually lent him extra weight by emphasising that he thought that tillerson was wasting time and it was time to act and so upping the ante. That indicated that he would carry through with a strike but was willing to see what State could achieve.
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And that is the difference between going with the sound bite spin the anti-Trump people put out there and going with what actually was said and happened within its full context.
 
Northern Light said:
His entire campaign was based upon opportunizing the average conservative's hatred from Obama, which was groomed in them for eight years by the GOP. It was compounded by a total failure liberal candidate that even liberals didn't want to vote for.

Then he got into office and it was readily apparent that he was unqualified. His entire Presidency is supported by tweeting and pop culture. His policy making is abysmal and his personal involvement in low level politics, like the NFL, is truly embarrassing.
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That is a good repetition of the spin.

Many just read and believe and repeat the spin and don't care whether it is true or not.
Many create spin to deliberately misrepresent the situation.
Many divert, obfusicate, derail, and/or accuse or attack the messenger to prevent honest discussion on the subject. (I presume because they are incapable of honest discussion but entertain themselves being jerks.)
And many just recite truly ugly and hateful characterizations and sound bites because they think that is intelligent debating. (It isn't.)

So I am hoping this thread will inspire those who are thinking, intellectually honest people to actually come up with specifics that justify verbally, or maybe physically, destroying this President.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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I don't hate Trump, at least not yet.

I simply pity the fool.
 
AlbqOwl said:
That is a good repetition of the spin.

Many just read and believe and repeat the spin and don't care whether it is true or not.
Many create spin to deliberately misrepresent the situation.
Many divert, obfusicate, derail, and/or accuse or attack the messenger to prevent honest discussion on the subject. (I presume because they are incapable of honest discussion but entertain themselves being jerks.)
And many just recite truly ugly and hateful characterizations and sound bites because they think that is intelligent debating. (It isn't.)

So I am hoping this thread will inspire those who are thinking, intellectually honest people to actually come up with specifics that justify verbally, or maybe physically, destroying this President.
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A Trump drone droning on about intellectual honesty.

What a glorious day.
 
joG said:
I didn't get that impression. He actually lent him extra weight by emphasising that he thought that tillerson was wasting time and it was time to act and so upping the ante. That indicated that he would carry through with a strike but was willing to see what State could achieve.
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Obviously someone who has never heard of the good cop, bad cop routine.
 
BitterPill said:
I don't hate Trump, at least not yet.

I simply pity the fool.
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You don't hate President Trump? Disrespect him? Hold him in contempt? Can you tell me anything you like or admire about him as President? And can you explain all the hateful rhetoric and characterizations from the media and others? Can you justify your calling him a 'fool' with any reason you can actually support honestly and objectively?
 
AlbqOwl said:
It isn't like President Trump has been disrespectful or hateful toward any of the others or there was great animosity between other Presidents:
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:lamo

Good one.
 
AlbqOwl said:
You don't hate President Trump? Disrespect him? Hold him in contempt? Can you tell me anything you like or admire about him as President? And can you explain all the hateful rhetoric and characterizations from the media and others? Can you justify your calling him a 'fool' with any reason you can actually support honestly and objectively?
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First and foremost, Trump is a pathological liar, and I pity anyone who suffers said affliction. That is both an honest and objective statement, and that is also your cue to both deny and defend Trump's pathology.
 
AlbqOwl said:
You don't hate President Trump? Disrespect him? Hold him in contempt? Can you tell me anything you like or admire about him as President? And can you explain all the hateful rhetoric and characterizations from the media and others? Can you justify your calling him a 'fool' with any reason you can actually support honestly and objectively?
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I admire your tenacity.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I've heard the spin on that. But what did he specifically say or do in context please? It is the spin I'm hoping somebody will explain.
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I think Trump's tweet speaks for itself.


1 Oct
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump

I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man...

Follow
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump

...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!
10:31 AM - Oct 1, 2017

Of course if you think this tweet is was a good idea, then there's no more to be said. You have every right to your opinion. I think it's stupid and dangerous. Two qualities I don't want in a president.
 
AlbqOwl said:
That is a good repetition of the spin.

Many just read and believe and repeat the spin and don't care whether it is true or not.
Many create spin to deliberately misrepresent the situation.
Many divert, obfusicate, derail, and/or accuse or attack the messenger to prevent honest discussion on the subject. (I presume because they are incapable of honest discussion but entertain themselves being jerks.)
And many just recite truly ugly and hateful characterizations and sound bites because they think that is intelligent debating. (It isn't.)

So I am hoping this thread will inspire those who are thinking, intellectually honest people to actually come up with specifics that justify verbally, or maybe physically, destroying this President.
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Calling it spin does not render it spin. I see you are another of those ardent Trump supporters who is either ignorant of his incompetence or just in denial about his dwindling support. Even the base who supported him in the election are now growing silent. All the Dems have to do is put forth a semi-worthwhile candidate at the next election and the GOP will completely turn on Trump in favor of someone else.

You're asking why people hate Trump but you won't accept the answers you don't like, especially the truthful ones. He is unqualified and mean. That's why people hate him.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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I've said this before, more than once.

I don't hate Trump. I don't believe he's a competent, qualified president who cares about the majority of the citizens in the country. For me to see him in a favorable light I'd probably need to be in one of the groups he is actually helping:
1) The authoritarians among the extremely wealthy.
2) The authoritarian, mostly evangelical christians.

I don't think I'd be happy with him if I was simply part of the "base" he panders to with his divisive verbal and twitter farts.

I honestly hoped he would sober up a bit after he took office, but it's clear he's either not capable or not willing.

His cabinet is made up mostly of people who want to destroy or rob the departments they oversee. Those appointments were where I stopped 'giving him a chance'.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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I see it is class Warfare Trump appeals to the lower class and yet Clinton appealed to some of the upper class. The problem is neither one of them was a competent candidate. When Trump went birther he knew what kind of people his Market was and he Pandered to them. For some the change in America was just too fast and Broad for them to handle and Trump was their solution. The depth and breadth of Trumps stupidity has been mind numbing. The one thing I do give him credit for is figuring out a path to the White House, his pandering to the birthers showed he knew what he was doing.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?
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Here we go folks...

I love how the American right immediately equates criticism with Hate.

This post tells me you are desperate, the mud is beginning to stick and the alt right is frightened as Trump goes more and more insane every day.

I defy you to make a case that I hate Trump....as you know damn well what I have written about Obama, and you know damn well I am not an ideologue.

Now as to reasons of legitimate criticism:

Trump cannot take criticism, he is too much of a narcissist.
Trump lies more than the last five presidents put together.
He sets people against each other
He infers disgusting things like the "2nd Amendment people might want to take care" of Hillary Clinton and her gun policy.
He is a womanizing fraud.
He is deliberately dividing the country for his own glory.
He golfs twice as much as Obama [how many right wing threads damning Obama?)
He has already flown Air Force one for his own use more than Obama in his first term.
He lied about having "great people" and now hides behind military thugs, who are veteran hard core liars.
He clearly places his own feelings over the needs of the people
He is vengeful


Those are a few observations. But you, nor anyone else in the US can put a hate label on that.

Lastly, I was there the entire eight years you guys beat on Obama, I agreed with a lot of it. So if there is "hate" at all, look there first...some of the **** you guys threw at him was vile and contemptible. So wear it...
 
BitterPill said:
First and foremost, Trump is a pathological liar, and I pity anyone who suffers said affliction. That is both an honest and objective statement, and that is also your cue to both deny and defend Trump's pathology.
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Again with the generalities. Is it possible to actually have a discussion in which you would describe one of his 'lies' or 'crimes' honestly and in full context? I have given you and others ample opportunity to do that. Are you a psychiatrist who has examined the President? Who has the most credibility? He who is accused with no evidence to support it? Or you who accuses with no credentials or authority to do so?
 
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akyron said:
I admire your tenacity.
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Some would describe it as obsession or partisan fanaticism. :)

But thank you. I am tenacious about things I think are important. I hoped maybe one or two people who currently are in the 100% hate Trump camp and who hate anybody who isn't might actually back up and do an intellectually honest assessment of why they hold that opinion. So far it has been a futile hope, but oh well.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Some would describe it as obsession or partisan fanaticism. :)

But thank you. I am tenacious about things I think are important. I hoped maybe one or two people who currently are in the 100% hate Trump camp and who hate anybody who isn't might actually back up and do an intellectually honest assessment of why they hold that opinion. So far it has been a futile hope, but oh well.
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Let me ask you an honest question: what are the values that trump stands for or claims to uphold?
 
bearpoker said:
I think Trump's tweet speaks for itself.


1 Oct
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump

I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man...

Follow
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump

...Save your energy Rex, we'll do what has to be done!
10:31 AM - Oct 1, 2017

Of course if you think this tweet is was a good idea, then there's no more to be said. You have every right to your opinion. I think it's stupid and dangerous. Two qualities I don't want in a president.
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The President can't make a tweet that the haters won't make something out of that wasn't intended. Now look at the full situation, what President Trump has explained with the situation, and what he meant by those tweets. And then show me how it is justified to hold him in contempt, disrespect him, hate him for his point of view on that. Explain how those tweets are dangerous within the context he made them?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Some would describe it as obsession or partisan fanaticism. :)

But thank you. I am tenacious about things I think are important. I hoped maybe one or two people who currently are in the 100% hate Trump camp and who hate anybody who isn't might actually back up and do an intellectually honest assessment of why they hold that opinion. So far it has been a futile hope, but oh well.
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How about we start here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VjpE3Z1-bw&t=65s

And don't even try the "context argument", there is NO ambiguity in his words.
 
Northern Light said:
Calling it spin does not render it spin. I see you are another of those ardent Trump supporters who is either ignorant of his incompetence or just in denial about his dwindling support. Even the base who supported him in the election are now growing silent. All the Dems have to do is put forth a semi-worthwhile candidate at the next election and the GOP will completely turn on Trump in favor of someone else.

You're asking why people hate Trump but you won't accept the answers you don't like, especially the truthful ones. He is unqualified and mean. That's why people hate him.
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The topic of the thread is not what I am. I, however, majored in journalism and communications and know with 100% certainty what 'spin' is. And something presented as something it is not is one of several definitions of 'spin'. I am on very solid ground in that regard and in this context.

I only fault the answers that confirm the premise of the OP. Now you can either support your answers with reason, logic, and/or evidence/facts in their full context, or you are just another hater who spouts the spin, the contempt, the disrespect, the anger, the hatred even though you cannot find the words or evidence to justify it.
 
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