YAY!! Walmart steps up!

[Maidenrules29]

LOL Home guns are more often used to PURPOSELY shoot a family member than an intruder. Nothing was said about accidents although they are another major cause of gun deaths in the home. /QUOTE]

That's great to know. Fortunately I'm neither a homocidal maniac nor ever been prone to heat of the moment rage. Therefore none of my firearms will ever be used purposely against my family members. I do however live in a statistically high crime area and cannot move due to family obligations. So my firearms will only be used against criminals who may want to kill me or my family members. That's what pretty much all legal gun owners who are law-abiding citizens will ever use their firearms for.


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[TurtleDude]

And gun nuts not do not understand that the statistics of gun ownership show that owning a gun makes you less safe from gun violence. They block it out because they think they are immune from the risk.



Keeping a Gun in Your Home Can Make Your Household Less Safe, Research Finds - Pacific Standard

I deny those studies because they were designed to skew the numbers. And guess what, its not your business what others do. If you want to be helpless in a break in, and hope the cops (men with guns coming into your home) get there on time, so be it. I am a professional shooter, So is my wife and so is my son (who doesnt live with us but visits often, and he carries 24/7). So I am willing to accept the odds.

 

[jaeger19]

Walmart just announced that it's stepping back from gun sales and ammo sales. The story just broke but from what I heard they will no longer sell the 'assault-style' weapons and large ammo clips.


FINALLY

Morons.

 

[vegas giants]

Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that sdgu is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

 

[jaeger19]

:lamo A private business not selling the exact type of product you want is "infringing on your liberty". When logic fails, just start spewing emotional generic pleas to self-victimize.

Hmmm.. you mean like a private business deciding not to sell wedding cakes to gay people.

Or a private business deciding not to offer lodging to black folks.

You mean like that?

 

[jaeger19]

Since 22 people were brutally murdered in one of their stores, they felt pressure to do something.

Yep.. even though that something was absolutely stupid.

Seriously.. do you really think a fellow is who PLANS ON GOING INTO WALMART AND KILLING AS MANY AS HE CAN..

Is going to be deterred by the Walmart sign.. "we do not allow firearms?"

You anti gunners are so silly.

 

[vegas giants]

Hmmm.. you mean like a private business deciding not to sell wedding cakes to gay people.

Or a private business deciding not to offer lodging to black folks.

You mean like that?

Except this difference is Walmart will not sell guns to anyone

 

[jaeger19]

And gun nuts not do not understand that the statistics of gun ownership show that owning a gun makes you less safe from gun violence. They block it out because they think they are immune from the risk.



Keeping a Gun in Your Home Can Make Your Household Less Safe, Research Finds - Pacific Standard

You anti gunners don't understand what the statistics say. Of course I am more likely to have a gun accident.. if there is a gun at home.

I am more likely to be in a bicycle accident.. IF I RIDE A BICYCLE. Duh!..

The point is.. that overall.. research shows that IF I have to defend myself from an attacker.. I am more likely to survive.. and more likely to have less injury.. IF I have a firearm in my hand.. rather than a pointed stick to defend myself with.

I ride bicycles.. because though it means I am more likely to get into a bicycle accident riding a bicycle. I enjoy them and they have health benefits that outweigh the risk.

I own firearms.. because though it means statistically.. I am more likely to have a firearm accident.. if I own a firearm.. I enjoy shooting them.. and hunting with them has health benefits and benefits of self protections.. that outweighs the tiny..miniscule risk.. that I am going to accidently shoot myself or my family.

 

[vegas giants]

You anti gunners don't understand what the statistics say. Of course I am more likely to have a gun accident.. if there is a gun at home.

I am more likely to be in a bicycle accident.. IF I RIDE A BICYCLE. Duh!..

The point is.. that overall.. research shows that IF I have to defend myself from an attacker.. I am more likely to survive.. and more likely to have less injury.. IF I have a firearm in my hand.. rather than a pointed stick to defend myself with.

I ride bicycles.. because though it means I am more likely to get into a bicycle accident riding a bicycle. I enjoy them and they have health benefits that outweigh the risk.

I own firearms.. because though it means statistically.. I am more likely to have a firearm accident.. if I own a firearm.. I enjoy shooting them.. and hunting with them has health benefits and benefits of self protections.. that outweighs the tiny..miniscule risk.. that I am going to accidently shoot myself or my family.

Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that sdgu is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

 

[jaeger19]

Except this difference is Walmart will not sell guns to anyone

They never did sell to everyone.

 

[vegas giants]

They never did sell to everyone.

Now they wont sell them to anyone

 

[jaeger19]

Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that sdgu is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

They might want to look at this:

ust a month after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, President Obama called for an assessment of the existing research on gun violence and recommendations for more studies. Now, that assessment is out, and it delves deeply into what research shows us about why gun violence happens in this country – and also into how well the defensive use of guns work.
Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).

 

[jaeger19]

Now they wont sell them to anyone

Yeah.. I actually don't think that's true.

They are still going to sell firearms.

 

[TurtleDude]

You anti gunners don't understand what the statistics say. Of course I am more likely to have a gun accident.. if there is a gun at home.

I am more likely to be in a bicycle accident.. IF I RIDE A BICYCLE. Duh!..

The point is.. that overall.. research shows that IF I have to defend myself from an attacker.. I am more likely to survive.. and more likely to have less injury.. IF I have a firearm in my hand.. rather than a pointed stick to defend myself with.

I ride bicycles.. because though it means I am more likely to get into a bicycle accident riding a bicycle. I enjoy them and they have health benefits that outweigh the risk.

I own firearms.. because though it means statistically.. I am more likely to have a firearm accident.. if I own a firearm.. I enjoy shooting them.. and hunting with them has health benefits and benefits of self protections.. that outweighs the tiny..miniscule risk.. that I am going to accidently shoot myself or my family.

I have attended many talks and discussions concerning the gun banning movement. One speaker I heard on the NRA satellite radio was some sort of psychologist. I agree with his findings-that many gun banners merely want to harass conservative gun owners, but others are projecting their own fears and incompetence onto others and are actually passing laws designed to keep people JUST LIKE them from having guns. I first heard this theory advanced by the former chief Firearms instructor for the city of Cincinnati. He noted that the police chief back then was anti gun-and that the chief had a very difficult time passing yearly qualifications. So the Sgt (retired by then, of course) noted that the chief figured private citizens were even less competent with pistols than he was, and didn't want them owning such things

 

[vegas giants]

Yeah.. I actually don't think that's true.

They are still going to sell firearms.

We'll see

 

[TurtleDude]

They might want to look at this:

that is why people who have to deal with violent criminals constantly, are invariably armed

Cops and their spouses.
prosecutors
those who work at the prosecutors' offices
CRIMINAL defense attorneys and their staff
Judges and their staff
bail bondsmen
probation and parole officers
those who deal with the criminally insane

 

[jaeger19]

I have attended many talks and discussions concerning the gun banning movement. One speaker I heard on the NRA satellite radio was some sort of psychologist. I agree with his findings-that many gun banners merely want to harass conservative gun owners, but others are projecting their own fears and incompetence onto others and are actually passing laws designed to keep people JUST LIKE them from having guns. I first heard this theory advanced by the former chief Firearms instructor for the city of Cincinnati. He noted that the police chief back then was anti gun-and that the chief had a very difficult time passing yearly qualifications. So the Sgt (retired by then, of course) noted that the chief figured private citizens were even less competent with pistols than he was, and didn't want them owning such things

Yep.. irrational fear.

Its a powerful motivator.. whether its to "build a wall".. or to "get that school teachers firearm.. he is dangerous".

 

[vegas giants]

Yep.. irrational fear.

Its a powerful motivator.. whether its to "build a wall".. or to "get that school teachers firearm.. he is dangerous".

Kids are being shot in math class.



Its healthy fear

 

[daeler]

Yes just ignore studies you don't like the results of. Sdgu=self-defense gun use



The Epidemiology of Self-Defense Gun Use: Evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011 | Request PDF

So if a study completely ignores data I am ignoring it because I don't like it? the FBI records over 2 million DGUs a year and your study says "of 14000 incidents only 127 involved sdgu" where is the rest of the data? did they just ignore the other 1.999 million people?? The study only uses data it wants to use which makes it propaganda not science.

 

[iguanaman]

So if a study completely ignores data I am ignoring it because I don't like it? the FBI records over 2 million DGUs a year and your study says "of 14000 incidents only 127 involved sdgu" where is the rest of the data? did they just ignore the other 1.999 million people?? The study only uses data it wants to use which makes it propaganda not science.

The FBI does not "record" any stats on DGU's and your number is pure poppycock. It is the result of a flawed 1993 survey that "guesstimated" that 1% of gun owners have DGU's.

Further, as the RAND Corporation pointed out in a recent review of the gun-violence literature, if these survey results are accurate, a lot of gunshot injuries — an implausibly high number, arguably — are not resulting in deaths or hospital visits: The Kleck and Gertz estimates “suggest that, while using a firearm for self-defense, U.S. residents likely injured or killed an opponent 207,000 times per year, but only about 100,000 people die or are treated for gunshot injuries in hospitals each year, most of whom either shot themselves or were victims of criminal assaults.”

I'm truly sorry to tell you but you have been fed a bunch of hooey to get you to buy more guns that in reality make you AND your family LESS safe. "Iguanaman Ruins Everything". tm

 

[TurtleDude]

The FBI does not "record" any stats on DGU's and your number is pure poppycock. It is the result of a flawed 1993 survey that "guesstimated" that 1% of gun owners have DGU's.



I'm truly sorry to tell you but you have been fed a bunch of hooey to get you to buy more guns that in reality make you AND your family LESS safe. "Iguanaman Ruins Everything". tm

compared to the idiocy you spewed that I used as one of my signature lines, your complaints are funny. DGUs happen all the time. I have several, including shooting a mugger.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Now they wont sell them to anyone

Ok great. Do you think anyone who usually shopped at Wal Mart for their guns and ammo is now just going to say "Awww, shucks. I guess I'm not going to buy any more guns or ammo now."? It's a purely shallow political statement that will do nothing but negatively affect Wal Mart's bottom line. Of course they can more than afford the loss in sales. It will do absolutely NOTHING to curb any gun or ammo sales. It WILL however help all of the mom and pop gun stores in the vicinity of Wal Marts. So it's actually a WIN for the gun community. Suck on that Wal Mart!!!


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[RabidAlpaca]

Hmmm.. you mean like a private business deciding not to sell wedding cakes to gay people.

Or a private business deciding not to offer lodging to black folks.

You mean like that?

No, one is deciding what they want to sell and one is deciding who they'll discriminate against. You conservatives aren't going to be able to convince me we should go back to the era of restaurants and stores with "No Blacks" signs out front, as fondly as you must think of that.

 

[daeler]

The FBI does not "record" any stats on DGU's and your number is pure poppycock. It is the result of a flawed 1993 survey that "guesstimated" that 1% of gun owners have DGU's.



I'm truly sorry to tell you but you have been fed a bunch of hooey to get you to buy more guns that in reality make you AND your family LESS safe. "Iguanaman Ruins Everything". tm

See even in the link I showed it mentions all that, yes 1.5 mil may be a high estimate, they also did a study in 2018 that said other estimates of 116,000 was way to low. this kills your idea that 99 out of 100 that use a gun in the home is used for suicide or murder.

Guns only make you less safe if you use them incorrectly, or you are a complete idiot.

 

[Obscurity]

a fan of lies I see

You guys are so hypocritical on these issues. You say if something is disagreeable, companies, the public, etc, will step up to fix it, and that we don't need government overreach to do it for us.

The second it begins happening, you bitch and whine.

Well, which way is it?

Seems to me you lot only want it your way, how you feel at the moment.

**** your feelings.