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YAY!! Walmart steps up!

Obscurity said:
Well now you know what a left wing libertarian is. Whrre we differ is probably on resources. Taxation. A few others.
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I already knew it. The natural resources is an interesting position. You could argue a farmer cannot own his crop
 
bearpoker said:
OTOH next time someone shoots up a bunch of people with a semi automatic rifle, the rifle and the ammo for the shoot-up won't be traced to Walmart. That's a good thing for them. As for the open carry of firearms, which Walmart no longer permits in their stores, other customers won't be leaving the store because they see someone who isn't a police officer carrying a gun.:mrgreen:
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Yeah, in my view most companies do things like this to reduce their litigation risk.
 
TurtleDude said:
I already knew it. The natural resources is an interesting position. You could argue a farmer cannot own his crop
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I don't believe crops fall under that auspice. Crops are generally cultivated over centuries by family farmers (or big agribusiness now) and are planted on permanent land. By natural resources I mean naturally occurring resources. The Salmon run, gold to be mined, trees for logging, etc. Those things I believe are property of the public, no matter what land (which I also do not believe can or should be "owned") they happen to be on.
 
iguanaman said:
Owning cars and pools have values that easily outweigh the risks. When 99 out of 100 "uses" for a home gun are for suicide or felonies it is hard to see how that is true about guns.
We have nearly twice the suicide rate of Great Britain and then there is this....


FIREARM AVAILABILITY AND SUICIDE - Suicide Prevention and Intervention - NCBI Bookshelf
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Reducing firearm availability did NOT reduce suicides in the UK or Japan. Further...the suicide rate in the US is 15.3 per 100K. In the UK...surprise....

UK: Suicide rates on the rise, men at the greatest risk - Voice of Europe

People committed to suicide will complete suicide. That has been made abundantly clear by the suicide rates in countries with extreme gun control laws. Turns out you can hang yourself in the closet or jump in front of a train with the same kind of efficiency as you can pulling a trigger. Your source is simply confirming the old adage that statistics dont lie but lying liars that lie, lie using statistics. The antigun authors are lying to score points for a cause.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
 
VanceMack said:
Reducing firearm availability did NOT reduce suicides in the UK or Japan. Further...the suicide rate in the US is 15.3 per 100K. In the UK...surprise....

UK: Suicide rates on the rise, men at the greatest risk - Voice of Europe

People committed to suicide will complete suicide. That has been made abundantly clear by the suicide rates in countries with extreme gun control laws. Turns out you can hang yourself in the closet or jump in front of a train with the same kind of efficiency as you can pulling a trigger. Your source is simply confirming the old adage that statistics dont lie but lying liars that lie, lie using statistics. The antigun authors are lying to score points for a cause.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/
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LOL Then why are suicide rates higher in States with the most gunowners ? Why does simply owning a gun increase your chances of suicide?

Mapping the Overlap As these maps show, the correlation between guns and suicide is strong but inexact, since both are influenced by poverty, population density, and crime. The nine states that rank lowest in terms of gun prevalence are the very same nine that rank lowest for suicide rates. Similarly, the three states top-ranked for gun prevalence can be found among the four states ranking highest for suicide rates.
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https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/spr08gunprevalence/
 
iguanaman said:
LOL Then why are suicide rates higher in States with the most gunowners ? Why does simply owning a gun increase your chances of suicide?



https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/spr08gunprevalence/
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Because in the UK they use closets and hanger bars. And in Japan they poison themselves an jump off buildings. In China they hang themselves. In Switzerland...the hap hap happiest place on earth they poison themselves. And in the US ONE of the common ways is firearms.

In the US, one of the LEAST common means..only 2%...is by chuteless skydiving. But its the MOST common method in several Asian countries.

See...you are promoting this ridiculous notion that if they didnt have guns they wouldnt kill themselves. Its ludicrous....but I get why you need to cling to the lie. Even the difference in the means men and women in the US commit suicide proves your ridiculous notions to be a lie. While firearm IS the majority means for men it is NOT the majority means for women. More women poison themselves than shoot themselves. An approximately equal number of women suffocate themselves rather than shoot themselves.

People dedicated to completing suicide will find a way. Every nation in the world has proven that fact to be true...yet you cling to the lie.

Its almost like you have an agenda or something.
 
VanceMack said:
Because in the UK they use closets and hanger bars. And in Japan they poison themselves an jump off buildings. In China they hang themselves. In Switzerland...the hap hap happiest place on earth they poison themselves. And in the US ONE of the common ways is firearms.

In the US, one of the LEAST common means..only 2%...is by chuteless skydiving. But its the MOST common method in several Asian countries.

See...you are promoting this ridiculous notion that if they didnt have guns they wouldnt kill themselves. Its ludicrous....but I get why you need to cling to the lie. Even the difference in the means men and women in the US commit suicide proves your ridiculous notions to be a lie. While firearm IS the majority means for men it is NOT the majority means for women. More women poison themselves than shoot themselves. An approximately equal number of women suffocate themselves rather than shoot themselves.

People dedicated to completing suicide will find a way. Every nation in the world has proven that fact to be true...yet you cling to the lie.

Its almost like you have an agenda or something.
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Don't argue with me, the data doesn't lie. Most suicides are spur of the moment and the urge passes....unless of course they have gun handy. Then they don't get a 2nd chance do they?
 
iguanaman said:
Don't argue with me, the data doesn't lie. Most suicides are spur of the moment and the urge passes....unless of course they have gun handy. Then they don't get a 2nd chance do they?
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I doubt most gun banners really care. They only use statistics about suicide because that is easier to sell to the sheeple than the political weaponization of gun bans
 
iguanaman said:
Don't argue with me, the data doesn't lie. Most suicides are spur of the moment and the urge passes....unless of course they have gun handy. Then they don't get a 2nd chance do they?
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A suicidal urge with a gun is 90% lethal. With pills, a knife or rope it is 10%
 
iguanaman said:
Don't argue with me, the data doesn't lie. Most suicides are spur of the moment and the urge passes....unless of course they have gun handy. Then they don't get a 2nd chance do they?
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Im not 'arguing' with you, I'm demolishing the foolishness of the biased articles you present and the ridiculousness of your position. The facts are what they are. All around the world people successfully complete suicides at rates greater than ours using means other than firearms. You have this preposterous belief that shooting yourself is more 'dangerous' than stepping in front of a train or jumping from a building. the facts show just how foolish your comments are.
 
VanceMack said:
Im not 'arguing' with you, I'm demolishing the foolishness of the biased articles you present and the ridiculousness of your position. The facts are what they are. All around the world people successfully complete suicides at rates greater than ours using means other than firearms. You have this preposterous belief that shooting yourself is more 'dangerous' than stepping in front of a train or jumping from a building. the facts show just how foolish your comments are.
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LOL You do know that guns are the method of choice for the majority of suicides in the U.S. Also data is not biased and the fact that States with the most gun owners have the highest suicide rates is pretty damaging to you claims. Please keep your guns securely locked if you have children or young adults in the house. They are also at risk for suicide if you do not.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL You do know that guns are the method of choice for the majority of suicides in the U.S. Also data is not biased and the fact that States with the most gun owners have the highest suicide rates is pretty damaging to you claims. Please keep your guns securely locked if you have children or young adults in the house. They are also at risk for suicide if you do not.
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the reason why the states with the most lawful gun ownership have the highest rates of suicide has nothing to do with gun laws but rather demographics.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL You do know that guns are the method of choice for the majority of suicides in the U.S. Also data is not biased and the fact that States with the most gun owners have the highest suicide rates is pretty damaging to you claims. Please keep your guns securely locked if you have children or young adults in the house. They are also at risk for suicide if you do not.
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IN THE US...FOR MEN...

See...thats how you kick your own ass. Your dedication to your cause makes you believe that although every other nation in the world and although WOMEN manage to kill themselves very effectively by means OTHER than firearms...YOU believe that in AMERICA...and for MEN...if they didnt have guns they wouldnt successfully complete suicides. Like...you know...literally every other nation on the planet AND women in this country.

See...when you READ that I know and you know that you are saying "huh...I guess my argument really is pretty stupid". BUT...you are going to say "But I hate GUNS, so therefore, I have to keep making the same stupid argument! Because...guns!!!!"
 
iguanaman said:
LOL You do know that guns are the method of choice for the majority of suicides in the U.S. Also data is not biased and the fact that States with the most gun owners have the highest suicide rates is pretty damaging to you claims. Please keep your guns securely locked if you have children or young adults in the house. They are also at risk for suicide if you do not.
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You can keep telling them the facts but it will never get thru. States with lax gun laws and high gun ownership have the highest suicide rates.....year in and year out. Many many many of those people would not have died if we had stricter gun laws.


Facts are facts
 
jet57 said:
Very well said. Turtledude likes it so much he’s advertising for you so that everybody can see it.
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its so stupid that smart people are laughing at it. Those who claim it is true-well, the answer is obvious
 
Moon said:
“Most”? The estimates are there are 120+million gun owners in the US. “Most” participate in suicide or murder?
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So we take the 40,000 or so suicides and homicides per year, and let's say 100 million gun owners, for a nice round number.

40,000 is .04% of 100,000,000. For anyone who doesn't know, that's not 4% of gun owners, it's 4/100 of 1 percent of gun owners per year. To that statistic, a progressive responds:

iguanaman said:
The only "sport" that most gun owners participate in is suicide or murder.
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Brought to you by the Party of Science.

jet57 said:
Very well said. Turtledude likes it so much he’s advertising for you so that everybody can see it.
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No, he's advertising it to demonstrate the ignorance of gun banners, which you seem to confirm with every one of your posts.
 
aociswundumho said:
So we take the 40,000 or so suicides and homicides per year, and let's say 100 million gun owners, for a nice round number.

40,000 is .04% of 100,000,000. For anyone who doesn't know, that's not 4% of gun owners, it's 4/100 of 1 percent of gun owners per year. To that statistic, a progressive responds:



Brought to you by the Party of Science.



No, he's advertising it to demonstrate the ignorance of gun banners, which you seem to confirm with every one of your posts.
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Thread winner. I sometimes think the anti gun posters work for the GOA because their claims are so obviously idiotic that they make the anti gun side look even more dishonest and silly.
 
aociswundumho said:
So we take the 40,000 or so suicides and homicides per year, and let's say 100 million gun owners, for a nice round number.

40,000 is .04% of 100,000,000. For anyone who doesn't know, that's not 4% of gun owners, it's 4/100 of 1 percent of gun owners per year. To that statistic, a progressive responds:



Brought to you by the Party of Science.



No, he's advertising it to demonstrate the ignorance of gun banners, which you seem to confirm with every one of your posts.
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Good; then you can tell everybody why Scalia said that the second amendment "was not an unlimited right" and you can also show everybody that Natural Rights exist...

ga'head
 
jet57 said:
Good; then you can tell everybody why Scalia said that the second amendment "was not an unlimited right" and you can also show everybody that Natural Rights exist...

ga'head
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The 2019 Dodge Deflection! Falls apart quickly and can't get out of its own way!

It'll never sell....
 
RF667799 said:
The 2019 Dodge Deflection! Falls apart quickly and can't get out of its own way!

It'll never sell....
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He says I don't know what I'm talking about. You apparently agree so since you're much smarter than I am then you can tell everybody why Scalia said that the second amendment "was not an unlimited right" and you can also show everybody that Natural Rights exist...
 
jet57 said:
He says I don't know what I'm talking about. You apparently agree so since you're much smarter than I am then you can tell everybody why Scalia said that the second amendment "was not an unlimited right" and you can also show everybody that Natural Rights exist...
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Nah, I ain't buyin' it.

You'll have to peddle your Dodge Deflection on Craigslist or something...
 
RF667799 said:
Nah, I ain't buyin' it.

You'll have to peddle your Dodge Deflection on Craigslist or something...
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Ya' can't do it; that's what's goin on.

Here's what he said:
No, he's advertising it to demonstrate the ignorance of gun banners, which you seem to confirm with every one of your posts.
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So, I DO know what I'm talkin about...
 
jet57 said:
He says I don't know what I'm talking about. You apparently agree so since you're much smarter than I am then you can tell everybody why Scalia said that the second amendment "was not an unlimited right" and you can also show everybody that Natural Rights exist...
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Two reasons-and you have been edified constantly about this, since you dishonestly try to pretend that Scalia was supporting bans on semi auto rifles. (he actually stated that semi auto rifles were clearly protected by the Second)

1) since the second amendment had not been incorporated yet, he was stating that state laws could deleteriously impact an unlimited right to keep and bear arms

2) trying to keep the erratic Justice Kennedy on board, he was conceding that the federal bans on felons, fugitives etc owning guns, was settled law
 
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