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[JustHanging]

So you will share your hard-earned money with me? I like this idea.

Sure, send me all your financial information, such as income tax returns, paystubs, etc.

Also, in before you say I am not a human. I know your dirty tricks.

OK, that's just making me suspicious....Fess up! Are you one of those Lizard People Alex Jones talks about?

 

[Wan]

Sure, send me all your financial information, such as income tax returns, paystubs, etc.

Why should I? Why can't you just take cash out of your checking account and give it to me? After all, you said it yourself, you need to share your wealth with all mankind. And I am a part of mankind. So where is my free money?

OK, that's just making me suspicious....Fess up! Are you one of those Lizard People Alex Jones talks about?

I am more of a Puppy People. Cute and cuddly.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Golly! Conservatives in a real heckuva pickle here.

Do they choose to accept this is fact even though it's a study by a university, therefore also accepting the GWU study into Puerto Rico deaths due to Hurricane Maria?

Or do they ignore both and slowly decay inside knowing there's probably more illegals here than they think?

 

[yankintx]

22 millions of those illegals are right here in Kalifornia, I believe 2 million of them voted for Globalist Granny.

At least they knew better than to vote for an admitted ***** grabber.

 

[markjs]

22 millions of those illegals are right here in Kalifornia, I believe 2 million of them voted for Globalist Granny.

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Of course you do! You believe whatever alt-right politcal porn sites tell you to believe just like a good little alt-right dupe should!:roll::lamo

Much easier than actual facts or thinking for yourself ain't it?:roll:

 

[markjs]

...and ignoring US immigration law. And we are educating, feeding, and housing their families as they may be common law (or local) married but single parent here in the USA with dad supplementing the welfare check.

It also distorts economics in that you get accustomed to paying below market labor.

There are plenty of indirect costs.

Just gets your panties all in a bunch don't it?:lamo

The Greedy Old Prick party thanks you for selling your vote over a small issue and ignoring the big ****, congratulations on being duped!:lamo

 

[JustHanging]

Why should I? Why can't you just take cash out of your checking account and give it to me? After all, you said it yourself, you need to share your wealth with all mankind. And I am a part of mankind. So where is my free money?

Yes, I think it would be a good thing for the wealthy countries to share with the poorer countries, and in the end it would benefit mankind. First off, hopefully it would help get rid of the blatant racism and sexism that is occurring in many countries such as the USA:

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

And second, imagine all the geniuses that are unable to contribute to mankind's endeavours because they grew up in poverty and were never able to receive an education. Personally I think it would help us all if they could contribute.

And thirdly, I am willing to have less if we can help the countries in poverty catch up.

You seem to be against sharing and helping your fellow man, and in my experience that means you are likely either Muslim or Christian, and being from the USA likely a Christian. Is this correct?

 

[Wan]

You seem to be against sharing and helping your fellow man, and in my experience that means you are likely either Muslim or Christian, and being from the USA likely a Christian. Is this correct?

No. It's not correct. All I am doing is asking you to set an example yourself. If you want the West to share their wealth with others, then you should be the first one to do it.

Why are you having such a difficult time giving me your money? Is it because you don't want to?

 

[JustHanging]

No. It's not correct.

So you're an atheist? That seems strange because usually atheists are all about helping others in my experience, although I'm sure there are exceptions. Or a different religion?

All I am doing is asking you to set an example yourself.

That's what I do on a daily basis. I volunteer 20 hours a week to help those less fortunate, week in and week out.

If you want the West to share their wealth with others, then you should be the first one to do it.

I do, we send a good deal of money to third world countries. Unfortunately, my little contribution won't amount to much, it will take the rich countries of the world to unite and do this.

Why are you having such a difficult time giving me your money?

I'm not. Just show me that you are in as much need as others and I will help you. Please send me your last years income tax paperwork for you and your family, your paystubs for you and your family.

Sorry, but I don't know you so I need evidence. I could ask why you won't provide evidence. For all I know (and I'm not accusing you of this, just being cautious), you're someone trying to pull a Trump on me.

 

[Wan]

So you're an atheist? That seems strange because usually atheists are all about helping others in my experience, although I'm sure there are exceptions.

I won't answer this question because my faith (or lack thereof) is not relevant to this discussion. You like to make it all about me to distract people from the fact you cannot put your money where your mouth is, though.

That's what I do on a daily basis. I volunteer 20 hours a week to help those less fortunate, week in and week out.

If this is true, then it's good. But since this is the internet, and that I don't know you at all, I think I will allow for the possibility that you might be lying.

I do, we send a good deal of money to third world countries. Unfortunately, my little contribution won't amount to much, it will take the rich countries of the world to unite and do this.

If you personally want to send money to third-world countries, that's fine. But you don't get to demand that other people do the same. Unless you are POTUS, and even then, you could still get flak for it. Nobody wants to have their hard-earned money taken away from them and just given to someone else, no matter how good of a cause YOU THINK it is.

I'm not. Just show me that you are in as much need as others and I will help you.

But in your post, you did not specify that people would have to prove that they are in need. You just said the West should share their wealth with all mankind. So I guess either you are backpedaling desperately, or that you did not think it through when you first made that statement.

Please send me your last years income tax paperwork for you and your family, your paystubs for you and your family.

I will only do so if you also apply the same standards to everybody else. So, are you going to?

Sorry, but I don't know you so I need evidence. I could ask why you won't provide evidence. For all I know (and I'm not accusing you of this, just being cautious), you're someone trying to pull a Trump on me.

I am not an American. I am not a "Trump-supporter" if that's what you are thinking.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I didn't make any insults against you as a person. I said your posts were nonsense. People on this board are allowed to have an opinion on other people's posts.

Also, I am from the same area as you. Lol. So much for your little rant.

No, only a half dozen troll posts having nothing to do with anything.

Not like you're over-reacting with pages of posts....six? seriously. And that's not trolling me.


Good bye.

 

[Wan]

No, only a half dozen troll posts having nothing to do with anything.

Not like you're over-reacting with pages of posts....six? seriously. And that's not trolling me.


Good bye.

In other words, "Wah I can't deal with Wan nor her posts, so I put her on ignore".

 

[JustHanging]

You like to make it all about me to distract people from the fact you cannot put your money where your mouth is, though.

That's a lie. I've offered at least twice now, but you refuse to take me up on the offer.

If this is true, then it's good. But since this is the internet, and that I don't know you at all, I think I will allow for the possibility that you might be lying.

But as far you know I haven't lied. You have lied, see above. So my word, until you show I lied, is good. Yours is not.

If you personally want to send money to third-world countries, that's fine.

Well thanks.

But you don't get to demand that other people do the same.

Huh? I get to state what I think would work best for mankind.

Unless you are POTUS, and even then, you could still get flak for it. Nobody wants to have their hard-earned money taken away from them and just given to someone else, no matter how good of a cause YOU THINK it is.

Yeah, I've noticed that whenever Conservatives want to get the vote out, they talk about sharing with brown skinned people. The racist Southern Strategy comes to mind, that's what it's all built on. Ronald Reagan talked about "Young bucks and Welfare Queens."

But in your post, you did not specify that people would have to prove that they are in need.

Well no kidding, you're seriously making this comment? OK, you probably just don't know. It's already been done. There are many many studies about which countries are impoverished.

You just said the West should share their wealth with all mankind.

Rich nations should share their wealth with poor nations, help them get caught up. Yeah, I sincerely believe this would help mankind as a whole.

So I guess either you are backpedaling desperately, or that you did not think it through when you first made that statement.

As I pointed out above, the research has been done, we know which countries are impoverished and need help. I'm sincerely surprised you are no aware of this, or if you are that you are unable to include this information in a coherent argument.

I will only do so if you also apply the same standards to everybody else. So, are you going to?

I try to be consistent in all my beliefs, that's why I try to always base them on the best available evidence, but that doesn't mean I can't make a mistake. In this case I have used the same standards for everyone.

 

[Fearandloathing]

In other words, "Wah I can't deal with Wan nor her posts, so I put her on ignore".

Seven now?

And more personal insults.

Get a ****ing life

 

[Wan]

That's a lie. I've offered at least twice now, but you refuse to take me up on the offer.

Then kindly bring it to my attention. Maybe I missed it.

But as far you know I haven't lied. You have lied, see above. So my word, until you show I lied, is good. Yours is not.

You seem very eager to slap the label of "liar" on me. This whole debate seems to be emotionally charged for you. I wonder why.

One more thing, I technically did not say you lied. I merely said I allow for the possibility that you might be lying. There is a difference between this and outright accusing you of lying. But apparently this is too nuanced for you.

Huh? I get to state what I think would work best for mankind.

True, but other people also get to disagree with you. I am one of them.

Yeah, I've noticed that whenever Conservatives want to get the vote out, they talk about sharing with brown skinned people. The racist Southern Strategy comes to mind, that's what it's all built on. Ronald Reagan talked about "Young bucks and Welfare Queens."

I am not a "Conservative". I am not even an American. But I see that Conservatives are your favourite enemy and a source of terror for you.

Well no kidding, you're seriously making this comment? OK, you probably just don't know. It's already been done. There are many many studies about which countries are impoverished.

But there are still people who are doing OK in countries that are impoverished. If you want to be very precise, which you should be if you are dealing with money, then you should do this on each individual case.

But anyway, I do sort of see your point. The West do give financial aids to impoverished countries. But keep in mind that not everybody agrees with this. In fact, I do not agree with it myself. Doing charities is a good thing, but I feel it should be done on a voluntary basis. Governments should not force people to give money to other countries via taxation.

Rich nations should share their wealth with poor nations, help them get caught up. Yeah, I sincerely believe this would help mankind as a whole.

I disagree.

As I pointed out above, the research has been done, we know which countries are impoverished and need help. I'm sincerely surprised you are no aware of this, or if you are that you are unable to include this information in a coherent argument.

Your clumsy attempt at insulting me is very cute.

I try to be consistent in all my beliefs, that's why I try to always base them on the best available evidence, but that doesn't mean I can't make a mistake. In this case I have used the same standards for everyone.

My main issue with your stance is that people should not have to be forced to give money to other nations/people in other nations. Furthermore, it is not the job of a nation's government to help other nations. Governments' job is to take care of their own citizens, not foreign nationals.

 

[JustHanging]

Then kindly bring it to my attention. Maybe I missed it.

Go back and read. I will need some information from you to ensure I'm not getting Trumped. This is obviously a reasonable request for anyone requesting money over the internet, Trump isn't the only flimflam man about.

You seem very eager to slap the label of "liar" on me.

I'm not eager to do anything. You lied about me, I pointed it out.

This whole debate seems to be emotionally charged for you. I wonder why.

You're the one lying, so that indicates to me that it is emotionally charged for you. Otherwise you would not have felt the need to lie about me.

One more thing, I technically did not say you lied. I merely said I allow for the possibility that you might be lying. There is a difference between this and outright accusing you of lying. But apparently this is too nuanced for you.

I see you are refusing to take responsibility for what you posted. Having read other's comments about your posts, I'm not surprised.

But there are still people who are doing OK in countries that are impoverished. If you want to be very precise, which you should be if you are dealing with money, then you should do this on each individual case.

Nice strawman.

But anyway, I do sort of see your point. The West do give financial aids to impoverished countries. But keep in mind that not everybody agrees with this. In fact, I do not agree with it myself. Doing charities is a good thing, but I feel it should be done on a voluntary basis. Governments should not force people to give money to other countries via taxation.

Not everybody has to agree. I simply stated my point of view: The rich nations should help the poor nations get caught up, that this will benefit all of mankind. As I said earlier, if mankind does not get off this rock, we will eventually be exterminated. More brains will give us a better chance at success, who knows, some child who died at two because of malnutrition might have been able to discover an inexpensive and simple means of bypassing the limiting factor of the speed of light.

I disagree.

You're allowed.

Your clumsy attempt at insulting me is very cute.

Facts aren't insults. Why do you think they are?

My main issue with your stance is that people should not have to be forced to give money to other nations/people in other nations. Furthermore, it is not the job of a nation's government to help other nations. Governments' job is to take care of their own citizens, not foreign nationals.

That's my opinion. I believe in sharing and helping my neighbours, and all mankind, regardless of race or creed. You don't, and that's fine, we just look at the world from different perspectives.


In terms of this thread, if poor nations were caught up to Western nations, we wouldn't be seeing this mass influx of "illegal" immigrants into the USA. Their reasons for coming would be gone, and this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[Wan]

Go back and read. I will need some information from you to ensure I'm not getting Trumped. This is a reasonable request.



I'm not eager to do anything. You lied about me, I pointed it out.



You're the one lying, so that indicates to me that it is emotionally charged for you. Otherwise you would not have felt the need to lie about me.



I see you are refusing to take responsibility for what you posted. Having read other's comments about your posts, I'm not surprised.



Nice strawman.



Not everybody has to agree. I simply stated my point of view: The rich nations should help the poor nations get caught up, that this will benefit all of mankind. As I said earlier, if mankind does not get off this rock, we will eventually be exterminated. More brains will give us a better chance at success, who knows, some child who dies at two because of malnutrition might have been able to discover an inexpensive and simple means of bypassing the limiting factor of the speed of light.



You're allowed.



Facts aren't insults. Why do you think they are?



That's my opinion. I believe in sharing and helping my neighbours, and all mankind, regardless of race or creed. You don't, and that's fine.

In terms of this thread, if poor countries were caught up to Western nations, we wouldn't be seeing this mass influx of "illegal" immigrants into the USA. Their reasons for coming would be gone.

I won't get into any more of this back-and-forth exchange with you, because I have better use for my time than talking to someone like you. So I will just state my bottom line: it is NOT the job of a nation's government to take care of other nations or foreign nationals. It is also unjust to essentially force people to give money to other nations through taxation. So until you can rationally argue against either of these statements, I think I will do my own thing.

 

[JustHanging]

I won't get into any more of this back-and-forth exchange with you, because I have better use for my time than talking to someone like you. So I will just state my bottom line: it is NOT the job of a nation's government to take care of other nations or foreign nationals. It is also unjust to essentially force people to give money to other nations through taxation. So until you can rationally argue against either of these statements, I think I will do my own thing.

You're the one who had to resort to lying, so please don't tell me I'm the one who needs to come up with a rational argument. Thanks.

To you or anyone who would like to continue the discussion, here is what I think, in regards to the OP:

In terms of this thread, if poor countries were caught up to Western nations, we wouldn't be seeing this mass influx of "illegal" immigrants into the USA. Their reasons for coming would be gone.

 

[Wan]

You're the one who had to resort to lying, so please don't tell me I'm the one who needs to come up with a rational argument. Thanks.

I really don't care whether you think I lied or not. But your utter inability to counter my statements is noted, though.

 

[JustHanging]

I really don't care whether you think I lied or not. But your utter inability to counter my statements is noted, though.

You lied. How can I "counter" lies? Please be reasonable.

Here is my opinion about the OP in regards to what I've said. Any comment?

In terms of this thread, if poor countries were caught up to Western nations, we wouldn't be seeing this mass influx of "illegal" immigrants into the USA. Their reasons for coming would be gone.

 

[Wan]

You lied. How can I "counter" lies? Please be reasonable.

Here is my opinion about the OP in regards to what I've said. Any comment?

In terms of this thread, if poor countries were caught up to Western nations, we wouldn't be seeing this mass influx of "illegal" immigrants into the USA. Their reasons for coming would be gone.

How about you counter my statements first before you ask me to do anything? I asked first, so you should answer first.

 

[JustHanging]

How about you counter my statements first before you ask me to do anything? I asked first, so you should answer first.

I don't even know what you're talking about. I've stated my beliefs, and have given the reasoning behind them. You tried finding inconsistencies, and when you realized you were wrong, you got so desperate to win the argument you lied about me. If we're going to continue the discussion I would appreciate it if you didn't do that anymore.

If you find inconsistencies, please point them out, I want to immediately correct any of my beliefs that don't match up with reality.

In terms of this thread, and the OP:

If poor countries were assisted in catching up to Western nations, we wouldn't be seeing this mass influx of "illegal" immigrants into the USA. Their reasons for coming would be gone.

Agree? Disagree?