Why you don't know anyone who died from COVID

[CaughtInThe]

okeyyyyyy?

Are you a part of some religion where living breathing humans are not sacred? Or more specifically are you part of some religion where death is considered a good thing? Is the church of satan that way? I really don't know but would love to.

 

[Paradoxical]

No, you're somebody who thinks anyone who is over 65 is in a nursing home or a grandparent then in the same sentence mocks public education. You made a post that becomes more laughably inaccurate every day. You're the forum's equivalent of a football player who recovers a fumble and accidentally runs the wrong way. I guess we know why the wheel of truth stopped working.

And you are?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I am a mere messenger., A cog in the great wheel of truth.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

This is so far from what I was talking about that I don't even know why you would respond to me with these tables. I will answer your question, which was "don't you think these tables are complimentary to the way the US has dealt with covid." And the answer would be no. Because I can't tell if you're arguing that the US has dealt with covid effectively, ineffectively, or something else.

Then you aren't paying attention.

I don't think they say anything about how we dealt with covid. Healthcare spending has nothing to do with whether or not you contract covid.

Indeed they don't, but they do indicate the size and scope of the healthcare industry and that is an indicator of how many resources should be available to deal with the situation.

James spends twice as much as John on healthcare. James posted threads on this forum about how covid was a hoax and refused to wear a mask. He went to a political rally and contracted covid. John warned James, but to no avail. James said "I spend a lot on healthcare." Mustachio replied: "why would that have any relationship with whether or not you contract covid?" James tried to respond but was too frail.

See above.

The table seems to show that there is no relationship between healthcare spending per capita and chance of death from covid.

The table does show that the nation which spends the greatest amount to support the healthcare industry is doing a really crappy job of dealing with COVID-19. That indicates that there is a lot of wasteful spending going on.

That would be consistent with what I just said. Also, is that table chance of death for those who HAVE contracted covid, or the entire population? Do you even know? And would it matter?

A "mortality rate" is derived from the number of people who have "A" and then die because of it.

The "use the whole population including those who we don't know contracted the disease to see what percentage died of the disease" position is total claptrap (but it DOES create a false impression that the disease isn't as serious as it actually is so that people can whinge about taking steps to help prevent the disease from spreading).

You can tell me what you get out of the second table. What I get out of it is nothing.

I see, so you don't see any relationship between the states' political inclinations and the states' vaccination response.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Well, there isn't much that I can do to heal blindness.

Covid is a global pandemic and doing everything possible to prevent its spread both as a policy, by state and country, by individual and community, should be done.

<SARC>But, but, but, BUT - FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOMMMMM!!! And besides the whole COVID thingee is a fraud and a plot by left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies to impose a fascist government where people have their minds controlled by the microchips that that so-called "vaxxine" that is made by grinding up murdered pre-born children contains.<SARC>

Japan shut everything down and they're the safest.

Yep

In the United States, an entire political party screamed that their rights were being infringed upon by the policies we put in place to prevent exactly what happened - multiple surges of covid, the mutation into more contagious variants, and an ongoing crisis around the country.

Yep

Vaccines are proven to be safe and effective, they reduce the risk of hospitalization and death should you contract covid, but they're just one tool we have to fight it.

<SARC>But, but, but, BUT - FREEEEEEDDDOOOOOOMMMMM!!! And besides the whole COVID thingee is a fraud and a plot by left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies to impose a fascist government where people have their minds controlled by the microchips that that so-called "vaxxine" that is made by grinding up murdered pre-born children contains.<SARC>

That's it. Healthcare spending is irrelevant. Even vaccination percentage won't have a direct correlation with deaths per capita. What am I wrong about here and can you say it with words and not with a table of states with moan, loan, and roan percentage variance from American Neutral by state (what the hell does that mean?) Just say what you're saying? Dear lord, I wanted a short response but you went so far off the path. Sweet baby jesus make some sense.

I suggest that you read the Saturday posting at Daily Statistical Summary of COVID-19 of COVID-19).

 

[Mustachio]

Then you aren't paying attention.

Indeed they don't, but they do indicate the size and scope of the healthcare industry and that is an indicator of how many resources should be available to deal with the situation.

See above.

The table does show that the nation which spends the greatest amount to support the healthcare industry is doing a really crappy job of dealing with COVID-19. That indicates that there is a lot of wasteful spending going on.

A "mortality rate" is derived from the number of people who have "A" and then die because of it.

The "use the whole population including those who we don't know contracted the disease to see what percentage died of the disease" position is total claptrap (but it DOES create a false impression that the disease isn't as serious as it actually is so that people can whinge about taking steps to help prevent the disease from spreading).

I see, so you don't see any relationship between the states' political inclinations and the states' vaccination response.

Dude you put up a chart that said chance of death, not mortality rate. I can't tell if you agree with me or not. I said the United States handled it poorly and I might be interested in looking at how the percentage of citizens with comprehensive health care correlate to Covid mortality rate, but we spend way too much, and countries with a larger makeup of older individuals will certainly spend more anyway. So it's just misleading even if well intended.

I had no idea what your second chart said. It has variance from the American norm, but what's the american norm? And on the right it said 50 is 40, and 40 is green, and green is 20, and 20 is red. It didn't really say that, but that's the best I can recall that little notation on the right side. If you have an argument you can make it, but my thoughts are really simple, and if I seem emotional, there's a really, really good reason.

I have an auto immune disorder, so studies show that I am highly susceptible to long term damage (following hospitalization or not) if I contract covid. And the vaccines? They are safe and effective. Unless you have an auto immune disorder. Then they might be effective. I got vaccinated, but I have no idea what level of immunity or protection I have, if any. If everybody was like me I assure you that the title of this thread should be "why everybody knows someone who died from covid." We all do, right? Great. And I said that I believe measures taken by states have some effect of the spread of the virus, but population density, demographics, socioeconomic factors, geographical factors, weather, and sadly even political affiliation are going to have a huge impact as well. So through my eyes, with all I've said, here's what I think when I look at where we are: a bunch of conspiratorial idiots ruined everything and I might die because of them. And there are a lot of things I used to do that I can't anymore because of the same idiots. So I won't sugar coat it at all. A huge portion of this country, mainly very ignorant and gullible people, are beyond help and has been brainwashed by a fascist movement that has made them even dumber.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Dude you put up a chart that said chance of death, not mortality rate. I can't tell if you agree with me or not. I said the United States handled it poorly and I might be interested in looking at how the percentage of citizens with comprehensive health care correlate to Covid mortality rate, but we spend way too much, and countries with a larger makeup of older individuals will certainly spend more anyway. So it's just misleading even if well intended.

I had no idea what your second chart said. It has variance from the American norm, but what's the american norm? And on the right it said 50 is 40, and 40 is green, and green is 20, and 20 is red. It didn't really say that, but that's the best I can recall that little notation on the right side. If you have an argument you can make it, but my thoughts are really simple, and if I seem emotional, there's a really, really good reason.

The table lists BOTH.

The "Chance of Death" is a combination of "Chance of Infection" (Cases per Million) and "Chance of Dying If Infected" (Mortality Rate). How that works is

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and you can see that all five of those countries CAN have the same "Chance of Death" as well as having different ones (a) when their "Cases per Million" rates and/or (b) when their "Mortality Rates" are the same.

I have an auto immune disorder, so studies show that I am highly susceptible to long term damage (following hospitalization or not) if I contract covid. And the vaccines? They are safe and effective. Unless you have an auto immune disorder. Then they might be effective. I got vaccinated, but I have no idea what level of immunity or protection I have, if any. If everybody was like me I assure you that the title of this thread should be "why everybody knows someone who died from covid." We all do, right?

Not necessarily. And, of course, there are those who know someone who HAS died, but who staunchly deny that COVID-19 had anything whatsoever to do with the death (even though the person might have lived for decades had they not contracted COVID-19).

Great. And I said that I believe measures taken by states have some effect of the spread of the virus, but population density, demographics, socioeconomic factors, geographical factors, weather, and sadly even political affiliation are going to have a huge impact as well.

Indeed.

So through my eyes, with all I've said, here's what I think when I look at where we are: a bunch of conspiratorial idiots ruined everything and I might die because of them. And there are a lot of things I used to do that I can't anymore because of the same idiots. So I won't sugar coat it at all. A huge portion of this country, mainly very ignorant and gullible people, are beyond help and has been brainwashed by a fascist movement that has made them even dumber.

Mildly overstated, but not necessarily wrong.

 

[Mustachio]

The table lists BOTH.

The "Chance of Death" is a combination of "Chance of Infection" (Cases per Million) and "Chance of Dying If Infected" (Mortality Rate). How that works is

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and you can see that all five of those countries CAN have the same "Chance of Death" as well as having different ones (a) when their "Cases per Million" rates and/or (b) when their "Mortality Rates" are the same.

Not necessarily. And, of course, there are those who know someone who HAS died, but who staunchly deny that COVID-19 had anything whatsoever to do with the death (even though the person might have lived for decades had they not contracted COVID-19).

Indeed.

Mildly overstated, but not necessarily wrong.

Yeah I just don't think you really have a problem with my stance and I don't have a problem with yours, I'm just riding a long streak of miserable luck beyond anything you could ever imagine from somebody who isn't dying. The fact that "permanent damage or death" could follow this streak (I'm only 9 months in!) makes me 100% incapable of tolerating people who are unwilling to mildly inconvenience themselves to do something that probably makes us all a little safer. Anything. This is not directed at YOU but: Put your mask on correctly, get the vaccine, shut the hell up, whatever you need to do (seriously, not you, just people in general). Can anyone just shut up? Anyone? An Uber driver picked me up FROM THE DOCTOR listening to an anti-vaxxer WHILE SICK AND VIOLENTLY COUGHING. I've had more intelligent pets. I have to stop now.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yeah I just don't think you really have a problem with my stance and I don't have a problem with yours, I'm just riding a long streak of miserable luck beyond anything you could ever imagine from somebody who isn't dying. The fact that "permanent damage or death" could follow this streak (I'm only 9 months in!) makes me 100% incapable of tolerating people who are unwilling to mildly inconvenience themselves to do something that probably makes us all a little safer. Anything. This is not directed at YOU but: Put your mask on correctly, get the vaccine, shut the hell up, whatever you need to do (seriously, not you, just people in general). Can anyone just shut up? Anyone? An Uber driver picked me up FROM THE DOCTOR listening to an anti-vaxxer WHILE SICK AND VIOLENTLY COUGHING. I've had more intelligent pets. I have to stop now.

I once knew a fellow from England whose first job was mining coal.

Naturally he got "Black Lung". His doctor told him to find a new job.

He did - his new job was working on a chicken farm.​

Naturally he got "Chicken Handlers Disease" on top of his "Black Lung". His doctor told him that he should move to Canada (where the air was cleaner) and get a new job.​

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He did - his new job was working in a grain elevator.​

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Naturally he got "Grain Handlers Disease" on top of his "Chicken Handlers Disease" on top of his "Black Lung". His doctor told him to find a new job.​

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He did - his new job was working for Canada Car installing asbestos insulation in rail cars.​

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Naturally he got "Asbestosis" on top of his "Grain Handlers Disease" on top of his "Chicken Handlers Disease" on top of his "Black Lung".​

Now THAT is what I call a run of bad luck.

 

[Mustachio]

I once knew a fellow from England whose first job was mining coal.

Naturally he got "Black Lung". His doctor told him to find a new job.

He did - his new job was working on a chicken farm.​

Naturally he got "Chicken Handlers Disease" on top of his "Black Lung". His doctor told him that he should move to Canada (where the air was cleaner) and get a new job.​

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He did - his new job was working in a grain elevator.​

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Naturally he got "Grain Handlers Disease" on top of his "Chicken Handlers Disease" on top of his "Black Lung". His doctor told him to find a new job.​

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He did - his new job was working for Canada Car installing asbestos insulation in rail cars.​

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Naturally he got "Asbestosis" on top of his "Grain Handlers Disease" on top of his "Chicken Handlers Disease" on top of his "Black Lung".​

Now THAT is what I call a run of bad luck.

I would have just liked your post but felt it didn't send the right message. That's absolutely mad. There was a man who was hit by lightning 7 times. But I didn't know him. I would be honored to know that man, but really it's super sad.

 

[The Work Outing]

Thanks to our brave healthcare workers and those willing to sacrifice a little comfort to protect their fellow citizens.

What bravery?

If they are healthy and under 50?
The chances of them dying of Covid-19 are ASTRONOMICAL!!!
Like many thousands to 1 against.
Even if unvaccinated.

I would hardly call that 'brave'.


And what protection?
Hundreds of thousands of people are going to die because these same healthcare workers refused to diagnose and treat many people with life-threatening illnesses conditions due to the lockdowns.

Mum, 36, 'robbed' of time with daughter as her cancer treatment was stopped

Melissa Livingstone had no time to make memories with two-year-old daughter Rose before she died, her family have said.

metro.co.uk

Those doctors and nurses who refused to treat cancer patients because of the lockdowns should be ASHAMED of themselves.
They are NOT heros.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I would have just liked your post but felt it didn't send the right message. That's absolutely mad. There was a man who was hit by lightning 7 times. But I didn't know him. I would be honored to know that man, but really it's super sad.

The greatest thing about him was that his attitude was "I am NOT 'sick'. I 'have a condition' and I am NOT going to let it rule my life.".

 

[CaughtInThe]

this thread had "face plant" written on it the second it was started.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

What bravery?

If they are healthy and under 50?
The chances of them dying of Covid-19 are ASTRONOMICAL!!!
Like many thousands to 1 against.
Even if unvaccinated.

I would hardly call that 'brave'.


And what protection?
Hundreds of thousands of people are going to die because these same healthcare workers refused to diagnose and treat many people with life-threatening illnesses conditions due to the lockdowns.

Mum, 36, 'robbed' of time with daughter as her cancer treatment was stopped

Melissa Livingstone had no time to make memories with two-year-old daughter Rose before she died, her family have said.

metro.co.uk

Those doctors and nurses who refused to treat cancer patients because of the lockdowns should be ASHAMED of themselves.
They are NOT heros.

It's called "triage" and it has been going on in the medical world for as long as there was a medical world.

PS - Regarding your "Not in Canada...despite the flag under my name" disclaimer, it is so sad that you are afraid to admit even as much as what country you prefer to live in.

 

[CaughtInThe]

At the inflated death claims by the CDC of 125,000, over 80% of those are over 65. Unless you have a grandma or granpa around or know someone in a nursing home, the chances are slim you would know anyone who died from it. But, for all those who attended the socialist public skool system here is the math for all 125,000 deaths:

3 people in ten thousand have die from it. Of those three, at least 2 are over 65
37 people in a hundred thousand have died from it. Of those, 30 of them were over 65 and just 7 under 65
378 people in a million have died from it. Of those 302 were over 65 and 76 were under 65
3,780 people in ten million died. Of those 3,024 were over 95 and just 756 were under 65
125,000 people out of 330 million have died. Of those 100,000 were over 65 and just 25,000 were under 65


Now you know that you can sleep well tonight. No more fretting and nail biting. Sleep tight.

hey. good call.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The difference here is the numbers are being inflated for dollars by hospitals and ambulance services because that's what the government is paying big $$$$ for.

would you like to modify your post?

 

[Mustachio]

I think the OP is more or less an even less relevant dan bongino. only purpose in life is to own the libs. but even bongino is smart enough not to do it for free. i would be shocked if he wasn't banned on twitter.

would you like to modify your post?

 

[Yakshi]

This OP aged as well as any OP by Paradoxical.

By now, almost all of us knew someone who died from Covid. In my case, a coworker. Of course, this doesn't include my family member who needed to go on a ventilator.

Let the bad faith trolling by Trump supporters continue.

 

[CaughtInThe]

This OP aged as well as any OP by Paradoxical.

By now, almost all of us knew someone who died from Covid. In my case, a coworker. Of course, this doesn't include my family member who needed to go on a ventilator.

Let the bad faith trolling by Trump supporters continue.

did they say what the ventilator was like? really bad?

 

[Yakshi]

did they say what the ventilator was like? really bad?

It was my sister. She said that it was terrible being alone in the hospital and that she thought she was going to die. After that, I resisted asking for more detail.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

At the inflated death claims by the CDC of 125,000, over 80% of those are over 65. Unless you have a grandma or granpa around or know someone in a nursing home, the chances are slim you would know anyone who died from it. But, for all those who attended the socialist public skool system here is the math for all 125,000 deaths:

3 people in ten thousand have die from it. Of those three, at least 2 are over 65
37 people in a hundred thousand have died from it. Of those, 30 of them were over 65 and just 7 under 65
378 people in a million have died from it. Of those 302 were over 65 and 76 were under 65
3,780 people in ten million died. Of those 3,024 were over 95 and just 756 were under 65
125,000 people out of 330 million have died. Of those 100,000 were over 65 and just 25,000 were under 65


Now you know that you can sleep well tonight. No more fretting and nail biting. Sleep tight.

WOw, this post didn't age well

 

[CaughtInThe]

WOw, this post didn't age well

it's almost like he set a goal to be wrong about everything related to COVID/the pandemic.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

it's almost like he set a goal to be wrong about everything related to COVID/the pandemic.

If that was his plan I take it back. Total success.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

This OP aged as well as any OP by Paradoxical.

By now, almost all of us knew someone who died from Covid. In my case, a coworker. Of course, this doesn't include my family member who needed to go on a ventilator.

Let the bad faith trolling by Trump supporters continue.

Based on the latest data, if you are familiar with 260 people, then the odds are 2.0034675 to 1 that you ARE familiar with someone who has died of COVID-19.

 

[CaughtInThe]

At the inflated death claims by the CDC of 125,000, over 80% of those are over 65. Unless you have a grandma or granpa around or know someone in a nursing home, the chances are slim you would know anyone who died from it. But, for all those who attended the socialist public skool system here is the math for all 125,000 deaths:

3 people in ten thousand have die from it. Of those three, at least 2 are over 65
37 people in a hundred thousand have died from it. Of those, 30 of them were over 65 and just 7 under 65
378 people in a million have died from it. Of those 302 were over 65 and 76 were under 65
3,780 people in ten million died. Of those 3,024 were over 95 and just 756 were under 65
125,000 people out of 330 million have died. Of those 100,000 were over 65 and just 25,000 were under 65


Now you know that you can sleep well tonight. No more fretting and nail biting. Sleep tight.

per your request in another thread.