Why Not Registration and Permits?

[DebateChallenge]

Hurt? No.

There are many things that are very wrong that we must live with until they can be changed.

I own 3 guns. That said, I have come to understand it is time to get some serious control on them.

So why would you own guns if you think they should be controlled by the government more?

 

[TurtleDude]

How could anyone have guns? Aren't they talking about no guns?

they don't want people who vote GOP to have guns

 

[Samwise]

they don't want people who vote GOP to have guns

I think it would require the initiation of violence to accomplish their goals. I wonder if they know that and are okay with the idea of killing people.

 

[marke]

I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I think its restricted information, but again the public have a right to know.

Just like the public has a right to know where every dime of the billion dollars handed over to Ukraine went. The US lost millions of dollars there, according to informed sources, and America needs to join Trump in finding out where all that money went and who got their paw prints on it and why. It does not matter whose fingerprints show up in the criminal investigation, with America's new sheriff all criminal suspects will be suspect until cleared by thorough investigation.

 

[TurtleDude]

I think it would require the initiation of violence to accomplish their goals. I wonder if they know that and are okay with the idea of killing people.

I think many of them salivate over the idea of government agents killing gun owners who refuse to give up their guns. They harbor a cultural hatred of gun owners and advocates.

 

[Samwise]

I think many of them salivate over the idea of government agents killing gun owners who refuse to give up their guns. They harbor a cultural hatred of gun owners and advocates.

I wonder if they're stupid or clever.

 

[TurtleDude]

I wonder if they're stupid or clever.

sometimes neither, sometimes both

 

[Samwise]

sometimes neither, sometimes both

I should have said "stupid or 'think they're clever'".

 

[Rich2018]

Just like the public has a right to know where every dime of the billion dollars handed over to Ukraine went. The US lost millions of dollars there, according to informed sources, and America needs to join Trump in finding out where all that money went and who got their paw prints on it and why. It does not matter whose fingerprints show up in the criminal investigation, with America's new sheriff all criminal suspects will be suspect until cleared by thorough investigation.

Yes they do...and when it was released.

 

[RF667799]

Up until 2013 it was true*, or didn't you know that? Being mistaken is not the same thing as intellectual dishonesty. How's that petard hanging?

*"Carrying a concealed handgun in public has been permitted in all 50 states since 2013, when Illinois became the last state to enact concealed carry legislation." Pro-con

We weren't discussing the state of concealed carry seven years ago. You disagreed with my assessment of intellectual dishonesty and figured you would give me a proper example of your own?

 

[NWRatCon]

We weren't discussing the state of concealed carry seven years ago. You disagreed with my assessment of intellectual dishonesty and figured you would give me a proper example of your own?

What you said there just doesn't make any sense. I was pretty clear. Rich said something which, until 2013, was a true statement. It turns out he was mistaken. He acknowledged the error. Someone wants to be an asshole and accuse him of intellectual dishonesty. I believe you owe HIM an apology, because YOU didn't even read YOUR OWN citation. I'd call THAT intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Rich2018]

What you said there just doesn't make any sense. I was pretty clear. Rich said something which, until 2013, was a true statement. It turns out he was mistaken. He acknowledged the error. Someone wants to be an asshole and accuse him of intellectual dishonesty. I believe you owe HIM an apology, because YOU didn't even read YOUR OWN citation. I'd call THAT intellectual dishonesty.

Thank you NWRatcon.

 

[RF667799]

What you said there just doesn't make any sense. I was pretty clear. Rich said something which, until 2013, was a true statement. It turns out he was mistaken. He acknowledged the error. Someone wants to be an asshole and accuse him of intellectual dishonesty. I believe you owe HIM an apology, because YOU didn't even read YOUR OWN citation. I'd call THAT intellectual dishonesty.

1. The status of concealed carry seven years ago is still irrelevant. Rich didn't write his above statement seven years ago.

2. Yes, he was mistaken. Yes, he admitted under examination he had no idea when he made his mistaken statement whether it was true or not. Did he acknowledge his error to Chillfolks relative to the argument he used his erroneous statement within? No.

3. You most emphatically claim I didn't read my own citation. Is your evidence for that the fact my citation completely supported the statement I made? Looks like your claim is nothing more than speculation couched in terms of accusation.

I'll give you this- you might not be very good at discerning intellectual dishonesty, but you're adept at employing it within your own overheated arguments.

 

[noonereal]

You quoted my post, but you didn't actually answer my question:

So what would you advocate being done to a person who has guns of which you don't approve?

i did say

 

[noonereal]

So why would you own guns if you think they should be controlled by the government more?

your question is based on the fallacy that one cannot be a gun owner and a responsible citizen of the union

as this s a false premise, your question is nonsensical.

 

[DebateChallenge]

your question is based on the fallacy that one cannot be a gun owner and a responsible citizen of the union

as this s a false premise, your question is nonsensical.

If you ask me, I would say that gun owners should be responsible people. Responsible enough that they don't need the government controlling guns for them.

 

[Rich2018]

...he admitted under examination...

Jeez, your post is pathetic

 

[noonereal]

If you ask me, I would say that gun owners should be responsible people. Responsible enough that they don't need the government controlling guns for them.

but we know they are not

 

[Chillfolks]

but we know they are not

The vast majority are.

 

[noonereal]

The vast majority are.

Bull****.

This is complete and utter bull****.



And even if most were "responsible" the sheer numbers of irresponsible make action necessary.

 

[Chillfolks]

Bull****.

This is complete and utter bull****.



And even if most were "responsible" the sheer numbers of irresponsible make action necessary.

Now that is some bull**** and an outright lie.

Roughly 46% of the population own guns. Of those only a small minority use them to commit crimes.

 

[noonereal]

Now that is some bull**** and an outright lie.

Roughly 46% of the population own guns. Of those only a small minority use them to commit crimes.

Crimes, that is the only problem?

Listen, there is no point in talking about this.

"You people" are not resoned nor rational.

The future will be gun free, enjoy while you can.

 

[Integrityrespec]

This is why -

Sutter County Sheriff Alerts CCW Permit Holders About Public Records Request From SF Newspaper – CBS Sacramento



The SF Chron editor is concerned that his people will be in danger due to the sheriff making a public notice to permit holders of the pending release.

He's worried about his people...how nice.

How about being one of the people that were subjects of his request? How about being worried for them?

Gun owners are opposed to any restrictions on the basis of threats the left makes of taking away guns. The democrats have no intention of compromise and the right knows it.

 

[Chillfolks]

Crimes, that is the only problem?

Listen, there is no point in talking about this.

"You people" are not resoned nor rational.

The future will be gun free, enjoy while you can.

I agree no point talking about it.

We people will enjoy it.

You people can scream at the sky in fear for a long long time.

 

[NWRatCon]

Now that is some bull**** and an outright lie.

Roughly 46% of the population own guns. Of those only a small minority use them to commit crimes.

Wow, that's way off. Only about 30 percent personally own a firearm. You're slightly closer if you count people in a household of a gun owner. The reality is, that firearm ownership is going down, but those who own them tend to own numerous firearms.