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Why Not Registration and Permits?

Rich2018 said:
How does a government control guns by registering them ?

Does a government control cars ?
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Here's another good example: does the government control voting? There is no moe fundamental right of citizenship than voting, yet, it is not considered a significant restriction of that right to require registration to do so. If one can require that for voting, obviously it's not such a substantial burden in regard to ownership of a firearm.
 
DebateChallenge said:
What you say makes sense however its important to understand what the purpose of the BOR was and is. The purpose BOR which is the first 10 articles in the Constitution is not to grant rights to the people but rather to place restrictions on the government. Basically what the BOR says is that the government cannot prohibit the people from doing anything mentioned in the BOR and if the government were to do so it would be crossing the line and overstepping its authority. So instead of calling it the Bill Of Rights I would say it would be more accurate to call it the Bill Of Restrictions, restrictions on the government.
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I would say that the Bill of Rights was far more significant than merely a restriction on government, although it certainly contains that. The Supreme Court has recognized those rights identified as fundamental. Even rights not so identified can be deemed fundamental, such as the freedom of travel and of raising a family. Nevertheless, that does not mean that government has no role in addressing those issues. It's not, as you appear to assert, "completely hands off". Such a result would be ridiculous, and it is certainly not what the framers intended. Moreover, they were only restrictions on the federal government, not the individual States, which is significant to understanding the language of the Second Amendment (and the fundamental errors of Heller and McDonald).
 
TurtleDude said:
Another poster claimed that all of the rights recognized in the Bill of rights, have limitations

I asked him, where does such authority exist, at the federal level-to prove the existence of such limitations
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Amendments only amend our Constitution; they are not, "Constitutions unto themselves" as the right wing would have us believe concerning our Second Amendment.
 
NWRatCon said:
Here's another good example: does the government control voting? There is no moe fundamental right of citizenship than voting, yet, it is not considered a significant restriction of that right to require registration to do so. If one can require that for voting, obviously it's not such a substantial burden in regard to ownership of a firearm.
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Yes and I've made that very point

Some gun owners on here resorted to saying they favored voting without registration, forgetting for a moment that their pin up, the clown in the White House, opposes exactly that and blames it for getting less votes than Hilary.
 
DebateChallenge said:
The government is not supposed to know who has what guns.
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1. Says who? Have you not seen the American Community Survey question ?

2. Since you dodged the question: How does a government control guns by registering them ?


No because you don't have to register cars, only if you drive them on public roads.
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Which is basically all of them.

The principal is established.
 
DebateChallenge said:
The government is not supposed to know who has what guns.


No because you don't have to register cars, only if you drive them on public roads.
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The main purpose of registering vehicles is for taxation. Ensuring those that use the roads help pay for them.
 
danielpalos said:
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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What you write is incomprehensible. Is English a second language for you?
 
danielpalos said:
Why do you believe that?
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Because it would be giving the government too much power. Besides mandatory registration turns a right into a privilege, gun ownership as defined by the Constitution is not a privilege its a right.
 
Rich2018 said:
1. Says who? Have you not seen the American Community Survey question ?

2. Since you dodged the question: How does a government control guns by registering them ?
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If the government knew who had what guns they would be able to seize them easier.

Rich2018 said:
Which is basically all of them.

The principal is established.
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Nope, there are people who have cars only for use on their own land and they don't register them because they don't have to.
 
Bullseye said:
The main purpose of registering vehicles is for taxation. Ensuring those that use the roads help pay for them.
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That sounds logical, driving on public roads is a privilege not a right.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If the government knew who had what guns they would be able to seize them easier.
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So what, gun owners say a bad will never happen

And you says guns mean a tyrant will never take control


Nope, there are people who have cars only for use on their own land and they don't register them because they don't have to.
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Yes I suppose there are. What tiny percentage do you think that is ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So what, gun owners say a bad will never happen

And you says guns mean a tyrant will never take control
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Regardless, requiring registration would make a right into a privilege. Unlike driving on public roads, gun ownership is not a privilege its a right.

Rich2018 said:
Yes I suppose there are. What tiny percentage do you think that is ?
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It doesn't matter, the point is you don't have to register a car to own it.
 
Lutherf said:
This is why -

Sutter County Sheriff Alerts CCW Permit Holders About Public Records Request From SF Newspaper – CBS Sacramento



The SF Chron editor is concerned that his people will be in danger due to the sheriff making a public notice to permit holders of the pending release.

He's worried about his people...how nice.

How about being one of the people that were subjects of his request? How about being worried for them?
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What exactly are you worried is going to happen?
 
DebateChallenge said:
gun ownership is not a privilege its a right.

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Bull****

that is a bastardized interpretation of something written hundreads of years ago

sadly, a culture has grown up around guns so that now we have a hard time correcting this grave misstep
 
noonereal said:
Bull****

that is a bastardized interpretation of something written hundreads of years ago

sadly, a culture has grown up around guns so that now we have a hard time correcting this grave misstep
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Gun ownership is a right. Truth hurt?
 
noonereal said:
Bull****

that is a bastardized interpretation of something written hundreads of years ago

sadly, a culture has grown up around guns so that now we have a hard time correcting this grave misstep
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So what would you advocate being done to a person who has guns of which you don't approve?
 
Samwise said:
So what would you advocate being done to a person who has guns of which you don't approve?
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Sadly, we need to grandfather in new gun legislation. The gun culture is too entrenched to take guns away.

Listen, we all know that in teh future we will have significant gun control, why put off he inevitable?
 
DebateChallenge said:
Gun ownership is a right. Truth hurt?
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Hurt? No.

There are many things that are very wrong that we must live with until they can be changed.

I own 3 guns. That said, I have come to understand it is time to get some serious control on them.
 
noonereal said:
Bull****

that is a bastardized interpretation of something written hundreads of years ago

sadly, a culture has grown up around guns so that now we have a hard time correcting this grave misstep
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why is it a mistake other than the fact that gun owners tire of democrats pretending that gun control can cover up their failure to deal with violent criminals
 
Samwise said:
So what would you advocate being done to a person who has guns of which you don't approve?
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hope someone with guns will try to take them away
 
noonereal said:
Sadly, we need to grandfather in new gun legislation. The gun culture is too entrenched to take guns away.

Listen, we all know that in teh future we will have significant gun control, why put off he inevitable?
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You quoted my post, but you didn't actually answer my question:

So what would you advocate being done to a person who has guns of which you don't approve?
 
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