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Why not adoption/foster care?

Morality is what is right. Period. Proof of morality are the consequences that follow. Bad consequences for immoral acts always follow whether or not you believe the act is immoral. That's how you can tell. The Cahtolic Church in its wisdom is the world's foremost expert on what is moral and what isn't. The Church is a great guide. And people need that because not all immoral acts are obvious at first glance.

Uh, "Cahtolic" is not a word. Derp!
 
If you don't follow the tenets of a religion, you don't subscribe to that religion. Again, basic logic. Being pro-life is the cornerstone of the Catholic Faith. If you disagree with that position, you are not a practicing Catholic.

Up till now you've been claiming all of Christianity, not just Catholicism. Another example of your goal post moving.
 
Anyone who disagrees with Christian teaching is a fake Christian, yes. Glad you recognize that.

Which Christian teachings? There are thousands of different Christian denominations, all different from the others in one way or another.
 
Huh? If you don't want something to happen, then you don't do the thing that makes it happen. What could be more logical than that? Unless you're a leftwinger of course.

So then you don't drive cars.
 
I agree, except for the idea that a god/s has anything to do with them.

Regardless, for those who do, then He is responsible for them.
 
I was going to say the same about getting in a car, but roguenuke beat me to it.

I responded before I saw that. I was starting with various sports and other activities, when my husband suggested driving cars.
 
Uh, "Cahtolic" is not a word. Derp!

LOL Touche!





This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
The only two times I've gotten pregnant in over 20 years of sexual activity is from the times when my husband and I were not taking any precautions, using no birth control of any type to prevent. And I'm from a very fertile family. I have two sons.

Exactly, proving that even though no birth control method is 100% guaranteed, it's still possible to have sex and not get pregnant, as long as the BC used has a high effectiveness percentage rate. So women who don't want to get pregnant, whether it's not now or not ever, can still have sex anyway. :2wave:
 
When I talk to pro-choice people it seems that a big reason abortions exist is so the baby does not get born into a financially unstable family or an abusive one. However, I think that abortion is not the solution. If a woman is not financially stable she should not be having unprotected sex and should understand the consequences of her actions, in my opinion. This brings me to my main question...(drum roll please..) Why pick abortion over things like adoption or foster care? There are thousands of couples/families that are infertile and cannot get pregnant on their own. I myself have two adopted siblings who now have a better life and a future. Any thoughts and opinions would be great, Thanks!

Practical solution, but missing the point of the pro-choice argument. Everybody is aware that adoption exists. Pro-Choice America believes that the baby inside her womb is her property and she can choose to do with her property as she wishes. They will also argue it's easier to get an abortion than to go through labor pains.
 
According to another extremist Catholic on this forum, married couples should not have sex unless they want to produce a child. Every sex act should be with the intention of having a child...or not have sex. EMN Seattle has been clear on that.

So if you can only afford 2 kids...no more sex after that. Even the rhythm method fails sometimes.

It's insane, to the level of cult following.
While I know there are some that absolutely follow Catholic doctrine without question, (and they seem to be the only Catholics out on this board), even some ignoring certain doctrines put out by certain Popes, the majority of Catholics do not have any issue using various forms of birth control, and have done so sometime in their lives. My mother and her family are Catholic from her generation, back. They do have large families but also encourage the use of birth control for those not ready for children or done having children, including condoms, pills, even vasectomy and tubal ligation. My maternal grandmother used to tell me that while she believed being gay was wrong, it was really up to God and between God and them and it wasn't for her to judge. She supported same sex marriage in the 90s, and this is a woman who recited prayers on her rosary for 4 hours every day prior to doing absolutely anything else after she got up in the morning.

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Actually, there were plenty of occasions I had sex, always using birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Guess what, I never got pregnant. Funny how well that worked out, don't you think?

Artificial birth control is immmoral, so that is nothing to brag about.
 
Evangelicals talk very big about their godliness being greater than the sinners of other religions. Turns out their talk is cheap

The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience

A Sociologist of Religion on Protestants, Porn, and the “Purity Industrial Complex” | The New Yorker

The racial demons that help explain evangelical support for Trump - Vox

So much for Christian charity: Evangelicals blame the poor for poverty, which makes them a lot like other Republicans | Salon.com

They don't fare well on tolerance, divorce, adultery, teen pregnancy either. The biblical command “A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:” is generally ignored and replaced by blind faith.

I'm talking about the Catholic Church, not evangelical denominations. Maybe pay attention?
 
Why? I'm not the one claiming others shouldn't be rude.

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So you think people should be rude? What does that say about irreligion?
 
I agree, it sure was. I only hope it will never go back to that time again.

No it wasn't. America protected women from having illegal abortions by having societal condemnation of it. Those were better times.
 
According to another extremist Catholic on this forum, married couples should not have sex unless they want to produce a child. Every sex act should be with the intention of having a child...or not have sex. EMN Seattle has been clear on that.

So if you can only afford 2 kids...no more sex after that. Even the rhythm method fails sometimes.

It's insane, to the level of cult following.

Actually, the position is no sex act should preclude children. That's why the rhythm method is acceptable. The irreligious cult says sex should a a purely selfish mechanical act.
 
Actually, the position is no sex act should preclude children. That's why the rhythm method is acceptable. The irreligious cult says sex should a a purely selfish mechanical act.

Only if you are doing it right
 
I don't want to be in a car accident, that doesn't mean I never ride in a car. It means I take precautions to prevent or minimize those accidents. If an accident happens, I also do not have to accept whatever happens to me as "well thats what I get". No, I can do things to change the situation, including allowing medical attention, surgeries, rehabilitation, etc, whatever works for me.

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That's a stupid analogy. People have to drive cars. Unmarried people (who account for the vast majority (83%) of abortions) not only don't have to have sex, but shouldn't.
 
The only two times I've gotten pregnant in over 20 years of sexual activity is from the times when my husband and I were not taking any precautions, using no birth control of any type to prevent. And I'm from a very fertile family. I have two sons.

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We aren't interested in your personal details that should be kept private.
 
Aaaannndddd he's done. Even if he returns here, he's done. His bumper sticker destroyed.

Cheers!

Nice of you to prop up a limping fellow atheist, but it won't really help.
 
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