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Why compromise is stupid

Digger said:
Australia is a really good example. There was a mass shooting. They implemented laws to reduce gun violence, and that's what happened.
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Actually Australia is a good example but not the way you see it. If you look at international stats you'll see murder was dropping internationally and was already declining in Australia but it actually went up in 1999 and the decline was substantially slower compared to the international rate in this same time period. In fact the murder rate went down slower for the rest of the 1990's after the 1996 ban than it did in the United States!
 
Rich2018 said:
The British version was semi-auto only (and built to British imperial measurements so parts weren't inter-changeable).

The rifle was designed to fire a smaller round, like the German 7.92mm Kurz but the USA made all of NATO adopt the 7.62x51mm.


I've seen it said that the FN should have been the M-14 rifle but the trials were rigged.
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It's a matter of record; American ego at work.
 
aociswundumho said:
So you compromise and give in, and more "common sense" gun control laws are passed. Afterwards:

If gun violence goes up or remains the same, that's evidence that still more gun control laws are needed.

If gun violence goes down, that's evidence that gun control works - hence more gun control laws are needed to reduce gun violence further.

Compromising on gun rights is foolish. Give a filthy leftist an inch, and he'll take a mile and a half every time.
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It is stupid, but we can't be a democracy without it. Its really democracy that worries you. Most people want guns regulated.
 
j brown's body said:
It is stupid, but we can't be a democracy without it. Its really democracy that worries you. Most people want guns regulated.
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most people haven't a clue what the laws concerning guns are or how effective (or not effective those laws are) in controlling crime.
 
Fledermaus said:
And yet the he criminals still have guns.
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Guns are mostly used for suicides, with homicides, the assailant usually knows the victim.

In other words, the criminals are us.
 
j brown's body said:
Guns are mostly used for suicides, with homicides, the assailant usually knows the victim.

In other words, the criminals are us.
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Indeed.

Two criminals can't know each other?

Pusher X and Pusher Y can't have a beef over a street corner?

Thief X and the if Y can't fight over the loot?
 
TurtleDude said:
I have thousands upon thousands of rounds of automatic weapons experience. Several reasons including I once was general counsel for a class III dealer, a Title II Manufacturer and I was good friends with the FBI firearms instructor when I worked with him. SO I could shoot most of the stuff people could buy including a M2 BMG that the Title II manufacturer had built from a "registered side plate""

and you are right about effectiveness.

I don't think fireworks should be banned until they reach a certain destructive level-and those should be regulated to those who hold fireworks licenses. stuff like bottle rockets etc should not be, but those who harm others with them should be prosecuted.
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The reason I haven't been interested in fully automatic weapons is that their chambers are usually oversized just enough to prevent jamming, but it also makes the brass fired in them unsuitable for reloading. The exception being the .223 perhaps.
 
Waddy said:
The reason I haven't been interested in fully automatic weapons is that their chambers are usually oversized just enough to prevent jamming, but it also makes the brass fired in them unsuitable for reloading. The exception being the .223 perhaps.
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???

Many semi automatic guns are based on a weapon that is fully automatic.


In fact I think I'd go as so far as say MOST semiautomatic guns are based on fully automatic guns, certainly since WWII.
 
Waddy said:
The reason I haven't been interested in fully automatic weapons is that their chambers are usually oversized just enough to prevent jamming, but it also makes the brass fired in them unsuitable for reloading. The exception being the .223 perhaps.
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I use the new Lee die which "undersizes" 9mm brass and that solves that problem when I run reloads out of my CTS CZ custom rig.
 
Para Tedium said:
Actually Australia is a good example but not the way you see it. If you look at international stats you'll see murder was dropping internationally and was already declining in Australia but it actually went up in 1999 and the decline was substantially slower compared to the international rate in this same time period. In fact the murder rate went down slower for the rest of the 1990's after the 1996 ban than it did in the United States!
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It was a response to a mass shooting, not the murder rate.
 
Rich2018 said:
Gun control can only be a half measure unless the 2nd amendment is repealed and guns are banned.


If mass shootings then go up, you will have a point. So far they have gone down in countries that have banned guns.
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Um, except that the constitution gives congress no legislative authority to ban guns.

So, there's that...
 
aociswundumho said:
So you compromise and give in, and more "common sense" gun control laws are passed. Afterwards:

If gun violence goes up or remains the same, that's evidence that still more gun control laws are needed.

If gun violence goes down, that's evidence that gun control works - hence more gun control laws are needed to reduce gun violence further.

Compromising on gun rights is foolish. Give a filthy leftist an inch, and he'll take a mile and a half every time.
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Compromise in politics is a good thing. That said, I agree; law abiding gun-owners and Second Amendment supporters have given an inch and the anti-gun Left has taken a mile.

On this particular issue, I agree: NO MORE COMPROMISES. The anti-gun Left cannot be trusted.
 
Rich2018 said:
That's not the point though, they can be and they'd make a hell of a choice for a mass shooter.

Weren't AK-47 clones used in the North Hollywood bank raid ?
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Guess you overlooked the Bushmaster but I guess back then they were no big deal. With the cops though.
" Frustrated, several officers commandeered AR15s from a nearby gun store in order to better arm themselves." AR15s to the rescue. Until more showed up with a SWAT team.
 
zsu2357 said:
Guess you overlooked the Bushmaster but I guess back then they were no big deal. With the cops though.
" Frustrated, several officers commandeered AR15s from a nearby gun store in order to better arm themselves." AR15s to the rescue. Until more showed up with a SWAT team.
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Didn't one officer take out one of the mopes with a deer rifle that went right through the body armor?
 
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