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What Will Be The Future of The Republican Party When These States Turn Blue?

You're all over the map with those responses. Try telling Evangelicals that Trump isn't a conservative. Penn, Mich and Wis are UNION states which Democrats don't seem to care if they lose jobs overseas. These three states are white states? Is that your way of agreeing that they have gone Republican? I thought you were trying to counter my post, not defend it. A lot of Hispanics like Trump and are against illegals.

Try telling Evangelicals that Trump isn't a conservative.

Hey, trump fooled them when he brought(cough) I mean, Dusted off his bible(LOL)




A lot of Hispanics like Trump and are against illegals.

Yeah, I heard that same nonsense about the Hispanics in New mexico. Then in 2018, they voted for a DEM senator with a "D" rating from numbers USA(LOL)

Also, you brought up Florida as turning Red in you former post(wrong) It's still a swing state
 
Ummmmmmmm, we’ve got a few blue states from the past which have turned red, not to mention Florida which has turned from purple to red.

Florida which has turned from purple to red.

No , Florida is still a purple state
 
Ummmmmmmm, we’ve got a few blue states from the past which have turned red, not to mention Florida which has turned from purple to red.

The New Democratic Socialist Party is full of nutjobs and their policies are bat**** crazy. It would not surprise me if TX went further right than at present.
 
LMAO... Demographics is not the GOP's friend...

Nor are they the democrat's friend right now. Bernie off the chart with teens and 20's and barely a blip with over 40's. Good luck holding onto the House
 
It is great you can predict the future. Can you do the same at the roulette table. We can all be rich!!!

Jokes aside, who knows what either party will stand for a decade from now. Perhaps democrats will finally allow a true immigration bill to pass. I understand having no bill has helped them for the last couple of decades,but eventually this farce has to end.

Then again if the Democratic party follows the lead of Bernie Sanders that leaves the entire center left without a party. Seems like an easy trade for the Republican party. Toss aside the extreme right and curry favor with the center right and left. This is where I am guessing now but I would wager about 70% of voters.

Also remember that the kids in their 20's now will be parents and have responsibilities in a decade. The boomers you decry were the rebels of the 1960's.

Not sure if folks are here for a reasoned debate. Just thought I would try on this one.

It is great you can predict the future. Can you do the same at the roulette table. We can all be rich!!!

Well, when it comes to Hispanics and voting North of 60% democrat....

"I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past"

- Patrick Henry
 
Nor are they the democrat's friend right now. Bernie off the chart with teens and 20's and barely a blip with over 40's. Good luck holding onto the House

Yeah but you do know the millennial generation will be the biggest eligible voting block in 2020 right?
 
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Well, when it comes to Hispanics and voting North of 60% democrat....

"I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past"

- Patrick Henry

Why do you assume that will always be the case?
 
Voter suppression was a big factor in the 2016 election and will be an even bigger factor in 2020. In Florida where there has historically been problem with elections, last year alone, republicans removed over 360,000 overwhelmingly democratic voters from the rolls. Florida is changing voting precincts, they're determining a hunter's license as a sufficient form of ID but a person's student ID is not. If people go in to vote and sign their name on the ballot and if their signature looks different than it did from the year before, their ballot gets invalidated. Not that it's a surprise to anyone but republicans are not playing fair.

In 2015 in Brooklyn, New York over 120,000 names were dropped from the rolls and that purge represented mostly minority Hispanics districts. The Board of Elections announced that it would reinstate all voters in time for the 2016 congressional primary. The Board of Elections subsequently suspended the Republican appointee in connection to the purge, but kept on her Democratic counterpart. In 2019, presiding circuit court Judge Paul V. Malloy of Ozaukee County, Wisconsin, removed 234,000 voters from the statewide rolls. ruling that state law compelled him to do so.
Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia


Unless there's more rigid protections against such illegal practices, particularly in swing-states, then it really doesn't matter how many people get out to vote, republicans will win, not off the merit, but by attempts to keep voter suppression high and their attempts to keep voters from participating in the process. The deep south is where people are particularly susceptible to voter suppression.

Florida and some other states need to have their elations federalized to prevent Republicans from engaging in these practices. the Republicans in my own state tried to kick my wife and me off of the rolls a few years ago using trickery. i regret ever voting for or with them, and i hope to see them crushed at the polls so that their cheating can't save them.
 
Yeah but you do know the millennial generation will be the biggest eligible voting block in 2020 right?

assuming they show up.
 
Hard to predict the future. Had heard so many during the 60s and 70s claim that conservatism was dead because the youth "hippie" generation was coming up. Yet along came Reagan and the "yuppie." So I think rather than imagine a red/blue world, I think it all depends on the "who" more than the "where." A strong leader that can rise up and change either party can do a lot. Plus lets not forget, we dont know what happens with foreign policies/wars/economy over the next decade or two. Its always loads of fun to predict and imagine, but remember Texas was quite the blue state at one time with a D governor and D senators, in fact historically Texas had more D senators than R.
 
Hard to predict the future. Had heard so many during the 60s and 70s claim that conservatism was dead because the youth "hippie" generation was coming up. Yet along came Reagan and the "yuppie." So I think rather than imagine a red/blue world, I think it all depends on the "who" more than the "where." A strong leader that can rise up and change either party can do a lot. Plus lets not forget, we dont know what happens with foreign policies/wars/economy over the next decade or two. Its always loads of fun to predict and imagine, but remember Texas was quite the blue state at one time with a D governor and D senators, in fact historically Texas had more D senators than R.
Had heard so many during the 60s and 70s claim that conservatism was dead

I mean, what was the white population back then? 90%?

So no
 
True

The point?

Growing minorities in that mix




Hispanics also underperform their demographics, but in the end, I was talking about this election in 2020, not 2050, and Bernie as the nominee will kill the democrats in swing districts and moderate house races where performance will be everything. It is an existential question for the democrats---support a populist who has gotten virtually nothing passed ever who has one foot in the grave or hold onto Speaker Nancy and Schifftones as your house band.
 
I mean, what was the white population back then? 90%?

So no

True but as I said, we dont know the "who." Take for example, Jebs son in Texas. Many think he is gearing up for a gubernatorial run. He could bring a younger, different version of conservatism to Texas. One that attracts Latinos, since he is half Colombian. We dont really know.
 
assuming they show up.

And assuming their student ID will be accepted as their right to vote and not a hunter's ID as in Florida.
 
Hispanics also underperform their demographics, but in the end, I was talking about this election in 2020, not 2050, and Bernie as the nominee will kill the democrats in swing districts and moderate house races where performance will be everything. It is an existential question for the democrats---support a populist who has gotten virtually nothing passed ever who has one foot in the grave or hold onto Speaker Nancy and Schifftones as your house band.

Thats another issue. Think back to 2008, when the slogan was "anybody but Bush." Republicans were declared dead and even pundits from MSNBC claimed it would be unlikely to see the GOP come back to power for at least two decades. Then came Obama. He energized the GOP like few others and along came the tea party. Its possible, when Trump is gone and a very left leaning Democrat comes to power, that comes back. Never really know.
 
And assuming their student ID will be accepted as their right to vote and not a hunter's ID as in Florida.

If democrats want to change voter ID laws they need to make headway into very low levels of state politics. Its beginning to happen, but its also possible, as we have seen that when a D gets the WH, complacency sets in again. Its happened before. Turnout was super high in 2008 and yet look how many state govts went to the GOP in 2010 and 2012..
 
Hispanics also underperform their demographics, but in the end, I was talking about this election in 2020, not 2050, and Bernie as the nominee will kill the democrats in swing districts and moderate house races where performance will be everything. It is an existential question for the democrats---support a populist who has gotten virtually nothing passed ever who has one foot in the grave or hold onto Speaker Nancy and Schifftones as your house band.

I was talking about this election in 2020,

Okay....
But I was talking about the bigger picture in this thread

Thread: What Will Be The Future of The Republican Party When These States Turn Blue?
 
Thats another issue. Think back to 2008, when the slogan was "anybody but Bush." Republicans were declared dead and even pundits from MSNBC claimed it would be unlikely to see the GOP come back to power for at least two decades. Then came Obama. He energized the GOP like few others and along came the tea party. Its possible, when Trump is gone and a very left leaning Democrat comes to power, that comes back. Never really know.

Yes MSNBC always proclaims the GOP dead, but when you have Carville and Matthews saying their own DNC is in deep doo doo, maybe the party will take time time for some strategic introspection.
 
Thats another issue. Think back to 2008, when the slogan was "anybody but Bush." Republicans were declared dead and even pundits from MSNBC claimed it would be unlikely to see the GOP come back to power for at least two decades. Then came Obama. He energized the GOP like few others and along came the tea party. Its possible, when Trump is gone and a very left leaning Democrat comes to power, that comes back. Never really know.

Think back to 2008, when the slogan was "anybody but Bush."

Any democrat was going to win that year


and along came the tea party.

Which is all but dead(they decided to endorse candidates)
 
Yes MSNBC always proclaims the GOP dead, but when you have Carville and Matthews saying their own DNC is in deep doo doo, maybe the party will take time time for some strategic introspection.

Trump has damaged political thinking. We assume its always going to be this way. It wont. Times change and new people rise to the challenge.
 
Any democrat was going to win that year




Which is all but dead(they decided to endorse candidates)

Yes but thats my point, nobody predicted it. It was assumed based on turnout and how popular Obama was and Bush/Cheney werent, that Ds would run the show for a long time. Nobody even in early 2016 thought it would be any republican, let along Trump.
 
Are you predicting Pennsylvania for Trump?

It's too early to predict much of anything at this point. Are you predicting Texas to go blue this year? Really? Or is that just your hopes and dreams? Everyone needs a fantasy life.
 
Hey, trump fooled them when he brought(cough) I mean, Dusted off his bible(LOL)






Yeah, I heard that same nonsense about the Hispanics in New mexico. Then in 2018, they voted for a DEM senator with a "D" rating from numbers USA(LOL)

Also, you brought up Florida as turning Red in you former post(wrong) It's still a swing state


Yes, Evangelicals are stupid.:roll:
 
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