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What Will Be The Future of The Republican Party When These States Turn Blue?

In the short term, the GOP will be a minority party but will adjust it's platform to a more centrist platform and become competitive again. As the wave of baby boomers fades away, control of the GOP will be fought between the far right and the more center right. I expect the far right will be too weakend living under DNC majority and will fail to win over the GOP.

Trump won blue wall states in 2016.

Reagan destroyed the Democrats with winning 49 states.

The better message will win every time.
 
Bill Clinton was certainly an adulterer. But "pervert"?

When did heterosexuality get officially labeled "perverted" in the FauxNews world, huh?

You're just deflecting again, because you and your people are such hypocrites with your fake family values, your pseudo-Christianity, and your false patriotism. Those are the traits that allowed you all to support (and now worship) a candidate like Donald Trump.
The point is Trump gets blamed for being a "sexist", but what Clinton did was perverted and embarrassing to the presidency. Dems should've joined republicans to remove him, that would've united the country. Did you ever stop and think if Gore condemned Clinton for the Lewinsky scandal, he could've beat George W. Bush? Gore was just as complacent in that at the time and that's one of the reasons he lost.
 
Trump won blue wall states in 2016.

Reagan destroyed the Democrats with winning 49 states.

The better message will win every time.
Yes, it was about the biggest landslide since FDR in the 30s.
 
Trump won blue wall states in 2016.

Reagan destroyed the Democrats with winning 49 states.

The better message will win every time.

Trump won blue wall states in 2016.

Yeah... barely
Reagan destroyed the Democrats with winning 49 states.

Yeah, and the white vote was like 88% then

It's going to be like 68% or less in 2020
 
Links? Sure. How many would you like?

--AP:Trump Takes Credit for Obama's Wall
"TRUMP, on a border wall: “We have, we will soon have hundreds of miles under construction and will have way over 400 miles completed by the end of next year.” — remarks to reporters Thursday, May 28,2019.

TRUMP: “The wall is being built as we speak. We’ll have almost 500 miles of wall by the end of next year.” — Pennsylvania rally on May 20, 2019.

THE FACTS: It’s unclear how Trump arrives at 400 to 500 miles (800 km), but he would have to prevail in legal challenges to his declaration of a national emergency or get Congress to cough up more money to get anywhere close. Those are big assumptions.

So far, the administration has awarded contracts for 244 miles (390 km) of wall construction...Nearly all of what Trump has awarded so far is for replacement barriers and fencing, not new miles of wall. Even if Trump prevails in court, all but 14 miles (22 km) of those awarded contracts replace existing barriers."


--Trump Takes Credit for Obama's Border Wall - Rolling Stone
"President Donald Trump stood in front of recently-refurbished border wall along the California-Mexico border and boasted that it was the beginning of construction on the wall he promised voters in the 2016 campaign. And Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen installed commemorative plaque bearing Trump’s name last fall along that section of the fencing, declaring it “the first section of President Trump’s border wall.”

Except, wait: That particular section of wall was actually just a replacement of fence that had been there for decades. And the refurbishment was approved during the Barack Obama administration in 2009. The funding for Trump’s border wall, meanwhile, is still tied up in Congress. 'We just wanted to get out in front of it and let everybody know that this is a local tactical infrastructure project that was planned for quite some time,” David Kim, assistant chief patrol agent for the Border Patrol’s El Centro sector, told the Desert Sun,'"


--Trump Visited The Border To Celebrate His "New Wall." It Actually Dates Back To The Obama Era


--www.desertsun.com//In Calexico, Border Patrol starts constructing a border wall. No, not that border wall.


NBC-Fact check: Trump visits the border to tout his wall. (Actually, it started under Obama.)

Now, what was that you were saying, again? :lamo As I said, Trump has done virtually nothing but replace existing fencing with plans and appropriations that were approved by BARACK OBAMA.

So, NOW IT'S YOUR TURN: Can you show me ANY links documenting that the Trump administration has designed and/or built any new border walling? If so, please detail EXACTLY how many miles. If not, please apologize for making yourself a fool, again.


You said that the wall now going up was DESIGNED and ORDERED by Obama. Not a thing you've presented says that. Of course, it's total BS. Or did you miss the various prototypes that were erected before they selected the design? IOW, you stepped in it big time.
 
This is a classic example of the brainwashed sophistry of you fauxNews lovers. No one has EVER disputed the need for a border wall in some places. What EVERYONE with a brain has argued is that there is ZERO need for additional wall to create a 2000 mile contiguous border wall. EVERY study shows it would be both ineffective and a HUGE waste of taxpayer money.


Deflection. Your CLEAR focus is on the immigration of brown people from south of the border...NOT on visa overstays, which account for HALF of the entire "illegal" problem.


I can post, and discuss multiple studies to back up my arguments. You cannot, because your arguments are ideological and emotional. Doubt me? Try me. I'll post a CREDIBLE academic study or published research paper for every one that you can provide to back up your fakenews driven opinions. Deal?

Bottom line: The FACTS show that Trump's border wall would be both ineffective at reducing most illegal border crossings, and a colossal waste of tax money. That's the difference between "debating" and the demagoguery and dissembling that we see from you and your ilk.


PLEASE, stop your whining. Geez, you people love to spew tough-but-empty-headed and hate-filled rhetoric about "the left" and "libruhls"...but in reality, you can be such snowflakes. As soon as someone like me serves you with some of your own medicine, you start whimpering and whining and claiming victim-status.


Several posted for you, above.

Now I'm waiting for YOU to post some likes documenting the areas of border wall that have been designed and paid for by the Trump administration. The clock is no ticking...for you.

Good luck.:lamo

Nobody has called for 2,000 miles of wall, not Trump, nobody.

Again, your obsession with defeating the wall is why we need to discuss the southern border all the time. Your continued race obsession is also noted. Maybe you should seek some help for that.

The wall is already working and will continue to work. That fact is why people like you, with a vested interest in having lots of illegal immigrants come in, are rabidly against it.

Oh, and if we're going to pretend that you oppose illegal immigration overall, what about e-verify? Why don't we have that? What else do you suggest?
 
The point is Trump gets blamed for being a "sexist", but what Clinton did was perverted and embarrassing to the presidency
Having consensual sexual relations could be reasonably labeled a lot of things, but "perverted" is nothing more than one person's personal opinion, and hardly an appropriate use of the Constitutional impeachment process.

That said, there is no doubt that Bill Clinton's behavior was inappropriate. No Democratic politician ever suggested otherwise. But like the overwhelming majority of Americans of BOTH parties, they believed that such a standard for personal behavior (i.e. "adultery while in office") was an absurd reason to impeach a president, if for no other reason than the FACT that almost every single POTUS of the 20th century would have been impeached, as well.

Personal indiscretions are different than professional misconduct. It's really as simple as that. Most people understand that. And that explains why most Americans viewed Clinton's impeachment trial as a partisan witch hunt, while most Americans thought Trump deserved to be removed from office.


Dems should've joined republicans to remove him, that would've united the country.

:lamo
In what alternative universe? What are you smoking?

77% of the American public OPPOSED impeachment of Bill Clinton...including about 95% of Democrats and about 55% of Republicans. His public ALL-TIME public approval rating (i.e. 71%) was recorded in December of '98, just AFTER the GOP-lead House impeached him. Even REPUBLICAN support for Clinton peaked (at 41%) after that disgraceful impeachment vote by the House.

Only in the minds of the rabid anti-Clinton far-right MINORITY of the country would a conviction of Clinton in the Senate be viewed as "uniting the country". Appeasing the most divisive faction of the electorate is divisive, not unifying.

Did you ever stop and think if Gore condemned Clinton for the Lewinsky scandal, he could've beat George W. Bush?

What nonsense. Virtually the entire country understood that the Clinton impeachment was a partisan farce. The only people who would have supported Gore for publicly condemning Clinton were the Republicans who would have ultimately voted for Bush anyway. From the very beginning, opposition to Republicans' impeachment efforts rarely dipped BELOW 60%.

Oh the other hand, SUPPORT for Trump's impeachment remained ABOVE 50% for most of the process in the House. So, tell me...Have you ever stopped to consider that if Pence had condemned Trump for the endless stream of jaw-dropping corruption scandals he has brought to the Oval Office, he would be running as a fairly popular (among moderate Gopers and Dems) incumbent right now? If not, why not?

Gore was just as complacent in that at the time and that's one of the reasons he lost.
More nonsense.

In reality, Gore lost because he tried too hard to distance himself from Clinton's record, which remained wildly popular. Picking Lieberman as his running mate was the single-most decisive factor. That, along with the unpredictable and historically partisan USSC decision to appoint W. Bush to the Oval Office.
 
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You said that the wall now going up was DESIGNED and ORDERED by Obama. Not a thing you've presented says that. Of course, it's total BS. Or did you miss the various prototypes that were erected before they selected the design? IOW, you stepped in it big time.


:lamo...IOW, YOU LIED AGAIN...GOT CAUGHT AGAIN...AND YOU KNOW IT.

Like most of your ilk, the truth tends to be the exact OPPOSITE of whatever you say.

In this case, I'll just requote the SAME paragraph for you:
"Except, wait: That particular section of wall was actually just a replacement of fence that had been there for decades. And the refurbishment was approved during the Barack Obama administration in 2009. The funding for Trump’s border wall, meanwhile, is still tied up in Congress. 'We just wanted to get out in front of it and let everybody know that this is a local tactical infrastructure project that was planned for quite some time,” David Kim, assistant chief patrol agent for the Border Patrol’s El Centro sector, told the Desert Sun,'"

In the REALITY-BASED world, every link previously posted backed up every word that I've previous posted.
 
:lamo...IOW, YOU LIED AGAIN...GOT CAUGHT AGAIN...AND YOU KNOW IT.

Like most of your ilk, the truth tends to be the exact OPPOSITE of whatever you say.

In this case, I'll just requote the SAME paragraph for you:
"Except, wait: That particular section of wall was actually just a replacement of fence that had been there for decades. And the refurbishment was approved during the Barack Obama administration in 2009. The funding for Trump’s border wall, meanwhile, is still tied up in Congress. 'We just wanted to get out in front of it and let everybody know that this is a local tactical infrastructure project that was planned for quite some time,” David Kim, assistant chief patrol agent for the Border Patrol’s El Centro sector, told the Desert Sun,'"

In the REALITY-BASED world, every link previously posted backed up every word that I've previous posted.

Put up your link showing that the wall now going up was DESIGNED and ORDERED by Obama, which was your claim. You can't because you're full of sh*t.
 
Put up your link showing that the wall now going up was DESIGNED and ORDERED by Obama, which was your claim. You can't because you're full of sh*t.

:lamo
Of course, I believe I posted about 6 links already.

Just face it. In light of your recent "problems", this thread is even more hilarious. You lied (again)...got caught (again)...and everything else is just you trying to save face. You put yourself in these predicaments rather frequently.
 
Ummmmmmmm, we’ve got a few blue states from the past which have turned red, not to mention Florida which has turned from purple to red.

we’ve got a few blue states from the past which have turned red,

No..... their only purple because a non conservative ran as a Republican

not to mention Florida which has turned from purple to red.

Nahh....

It's still plenty purple
 
:lamo
Of course, I believe I posted about 6 links already.

Just face it. In light of your recent "problems", this thread is even more hilarious. You lied (again)...got caught (again)...and everything else is just you trying to save face. You put yourself in these predicaments rather frequently.

You posted nothing backing up your claim. Obama designed nothing and ordered nothing, certainly not the wall currently under construction. I'm still waiting on your trenchant analysis of how Trump is a fascist, too. I'm sure I'll be waiting forever.
 
You posted nothing backing up your claim. Obama designed nothing and ordered nothing, certainly not the wall currently under construction.
Lying, over and over...is still lying, Veritas. It doesn't matter how many time say it. The FACT is that I posted several links confirming that the portions of wall Trump is taking credit for are just REBUILDS of existing wall structures that were ALL DESIGNED AND APPROVED under Obama.

Pretending that I didn't post them...or that they didn't say what they clearly DID say....only means that you never read them, or that you're not being honest (because you don't have any other defense at this point, perhaps?). Either way, anyone who reads the links I've posted, repeatedly in this thread, can see for themselves.


I'm still waiting on your trenchant analysis of how Trump is a fascist, too. I'm sure I'll be waiting forever.

LOL...Ummm....No, you and I are BOTH waiting on YOUR "trenchant analyses" of Socialism, Marxism and Communism, which you have been avoiding for over a year now.

I am ALWAYS EAGER to discuss ANY topic you (and others of your ideological ilk) might wish to debate or discuss on this board. I am not, however, interested in one-way dialogue with ignorant right-wingers who can't back up their own lies, yet ask for "proof" of everything from their political opponents.

The day you stop running scared, and fulfill your responsibility to engage in honest, fair DEBATE of ideas on this board....will be the day you are allowed to challenge me to answer a question and expect a response. And I must say...I look forward to that day.

Until then, you are not worthy of the respect that you are unwilling (or incapable) of showing around here.

Bottom line: Define Socialism, Marxism and Communism...and be prepared to BACK UP your attempts to label Democrats and Liberals with those terms....and I will be HAPPY to define FASCISM for you, AND explain to you how much of Trump's rhetoric and behavior are Fascist (and Authoritarian) in nature
 
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