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What "well regulated" means in the 2nd Amendment

rocket88 said:
Well if it's supposed to be "well-regulated" doesn't that mean regulation?
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No, that's not what it means. It's like you haven't read anything in this thread.
 
VanceMack said:
You struggle with "the people"...just as you struggle with the Bill of Rights...not because you dont know what it means and was written for, but because you disagree and dont like it.
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The People is both collective and plural not singular and Individual.
 
VanceMack said:
ORGANIZED militias are PROVIDED weapons. Unorganized and State recognized militias bring their own weapons to the dance.
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This is our express, supreme law of the land in every conflict of laws in our Republic:

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
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This is a State's sovereign right secured by our Second Amendment:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
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rocket88 said:
I would posit that "well-regulated" does not mean "completely unregulated"
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I would posit that you're intentionally missing the point, which is that that term has nothing to do with government regulation, and in any case is not applicable to the right to bear arms.
 
apdst said:
Oh no, I'm totally opposed to any registration.
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I never said that one had to register in order to legally possess a gun, only that the requirements to retain one's 2A rights be no different that those required to register to vote. Rights are something that everyone has, unless they are removed/restricted by due process of law (post conviction). Voter registration is required only to (help) assure that one votes in the state/district where they reside and only once during a given election - there is no such reason (compelling state interest) for gun possession to be registered.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I never said that one had to register in order to legally possess a gun, only that the requirements to retain one's 2A rights be no different that those required to register to vote. Rights are something that everyone has, unless they are removed/restricted by due process of law (post conviction). Voter registration is required only to (help) assure that one votes in the state/district where they reside and only once during a given election - there is no such reason (compelling state interest) for gun possession to be registered.
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In your opinion
 
danielpalos said:
Already expressly covered in our federal Constitution.
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The fact that the Federal Government has the power to do so does not mean it has the means or obligation to do so, and therefore your observation is a red herring.
 
vegas giants said:
Yes. It's wrong but it's ok with me
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What, exactly, makes it wrong? When something is described as a Constitutional "right of the people" then it exists until removed by due process of law.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What, exactly, makes it wrong? When something is described as a Constitutional "right of the people" then it exists until removed by due process of law.
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An easy case can be made for compelling interest for gun registration. Public safety. It is used as compelling interest for many restrictions of rights
 
vegas giants said:
An easy case can be made for compelling interest for gun registration. Public safety. It is used as compelling interest for many restrictions of rights
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What is unsafe about keeping and bearing? The 2A does not allow firing or brandishing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What is unsafe about keeping and bearing? The 2A does not allow firing or brandishing.
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We already have registration for automatic weapons. It's a small step to expand that to all guns
 
DebateChallenge said:
Found a great video which explains the 2nd Amendment and what "well regulated" means.
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So a well regulated militia means well run.

Disciplined
Organized
Trained
Supplied
Equipped


So wouldn't well supplied and equipped force be best served by standard armaments ?



It is of course a relic from the 18th century and quite an obsolete concept today.


Lastly, wohy would the militia oppose citizens who wanted to amend the Constitution and install a monarch with a communist economic system ?
 
vegas giants said:
We already have registration for automatic weapons. It's a small step to expand that to all guns
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Nope, that would be a giant leap especially if it used a similar (or identical) cut-off date of manufacture. What would be a smaller step is for that law to be declared unconstitutional since there are simply not enough NFA/GCA legal automatic weapons (estimated at 630K) for everyone to be able to keep and bear one of them.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, that would be a giant leap especially if it used a similar (or identical) cut-off date of manufacture. What would be a smaller step is for that law to be declared unconstitutional since there are simply not enough NFA/GCA legal automatic weapons (estimated at 630K) for everyone to be able to keep and bear one of them.
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Again.


In your opinion
 
Grand Mal said:
That's not a line, it's a phrase snipped out of a sentence. You guys need to remember that there are some people who want to thoughtfully consider the meaning of the Constitution and not just cherry-pick phrases that fit on bumper stickers. The sentence is, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." and the topic here is the qualifier, "well-regulated militia". You don't do your cause any good by waving one phrase like a flag and ignoring the context.
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Kinda hard for citizens to form a well regulated militia if their firearms are taken from them. I asked what the sentence means. Shall not be infringed is as clear as it gets. Secondly...if you disagree then get off your asses and come and try to take them. Your militia question will then be made crystal clear to you.
 
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