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What does Trump’s staying power in politics say about the country?

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His staying power is a testament to the gullibility and utter stupidity of his followers. He feeds them lies and they swallow them hook, line, and sinker. He creates a fantasy world where he won the last election “ by a lot” and they believe it. He denies sexually assaulting Ms E Jean Carroll and despite being found liable and they claim it never happened-or that he is just being picked on and is therefore innocent. He claims he didn’t intentionally inflate the value of his properties in order to get a lower interest rate on his loans, temporarily saving him hundreds of millions of dollars-and they deny any wrongdoing on his part because it’s “political persecution”.
When your orange Jesus clown can do no wrong the followers will line up behind him.
Objectively of course he’s a fraudster and a sex offender-and a soon to be felon. Normal people understand these facts and see him for what he is: a crook scumbag who is completely devoid of personal integrity.
 
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Still, Lincoln never had to deal with an opposition party aided by entrenched bureaucrats bent on carrying out Resistance, endless investigation bent on destroying his allies, 2 partisan impeachments and a lawfare campaign directed by a weaponized DOJ. Trump hasn't been assassinated yet. But, he was right to comment on the blatant campaign of hate fomented by Democrats.
Still, none of that is true. Pontius Pilate and Trump were persecutors. Jesus and Lincoln were victims.



 
The reason it rose under Trump was because of stimulus money paid out to anyone who filed a federal income return. Which was approved by both parties in congress. So there is equal blame.
yeah, had nothing to do with the huge tax cut that trump gave himself and people like him.
 
Trump glided through the Republican Primary, and he didn’t face a real challenger. Haley won a couple contests but, Trump never felt the pressure at all. All of this despite 4 felony cases, being found liable for sexual assault and defamation, being proven in court to be a financial fraud, losing and then trying to steal the 2020 election, and flirting with dictatorship the entire way. Yet, he remains the odds on favorite to win the Presidency this November.

He’s openly telling you he will become a dictator, or try to, and a majority of the country prefers that to Democratic governance.

What does this say about the country?
The popularity of authoritarian parties is nothing new and we see their rise in many countries.

It's a simple formula:
1. Tell people the country is in crisis and convince people that they are living in dire circumstances.

2. Find someone to blame - Jews, minorities, immigrants.

3. Hold yourself out as the one person who will target the groups above, and in doing so restore the country to some golden age (that never existed).
 
Trump glided through the Republican Primary, and he didn’t face a real challenger. Haley won a couple contests but, Trump never felt the pressure at all. All of this despite 4 felony cases, being found liable for sexual assault and defamation, being proven in court to be a financial fraud, losing and then trying to steal the 2020 election, and flirting with dictatorship the entire way. Yet, he remains the odds on favorite to win the Presidency this November.

He’s openly telling you he will become a dictator, or try to, and a majority of the country prefers that to Democratic governance.

What does this say about the country?
Basically, the country is polarized politically.
Trump supporters are anxious to see which way the four trials against Trump will go. I believe millions of votes depend on the trial outcomes.
Just like in the "Wizard of Oz" the curtain of strength could be pulled down and Trump is shown to be a weak human being without the protection of his so-called billions and over-valued real estate.
If that happens and the mystique of his wealth and power fades away, his supporters might find Trump to be an ordinary person just like Elmer Gantry (with shameful vices) from the movie of the same name.
 
People are stupid?

Or maybe political scientists/philosophers and individual voting citizens have different ideas about what democracy is. The philosophers write the blueprint for the house; the people build the house and live in it, for better or worse. The house also requires regular maintenance.
 
Trump glided through the Republican Primary, and he didn’t face a real challenger. Haley won a couple contests but, Trump never felt the pressure at all. All of this despite 4 felony cases, being found liable for sexual assault and defamation, being proven in court to be a financial fraud, losing and then trying to steal the 2020 election, and flirting with dictatorship the entire way. Yet, he remains the odds on favorite to win the Presidency this November.

He’s openly telling you he will become a dictator, or try to, and a majority of the country prefers that to Democratic governance.

What does this say about the country?
I'm mildly impressed that, even though in this post you defend all the lawfare, you actually allowed for the possibility that Trump's adherents consider the judicial and political system a failure (my choice btw).
 
It's not just the Democrats who will lose power if Trump wins. It's also the GOP wing of the Uniparty along with multinational corporations and their investment firms (Globalists) who will lose power.

That's a very powerful set of people who have a vested interest in ensuring that Trump does NOT become President.

There are TRILLIONS at stake.
Congress will likely lose power if Trump wins.
 
The reason it rose under Trump was because of stimulus money paid out to anyone who filed a federal income return. Which was approved by both parties in congress. So there is equal blame.

It doesn't matter why it rose under Trump. The fact is that crime has been dropping, despite Republicans and Trump pretending that it has not. These are called lies. In fact, crime in the United States has been steadily declining since the 1990s.


More likely liberal hatred of Israel and hate crime against American Jews and anyone brave enough to wear a MAGA hat.

Um...no. It is Republicans and their alt-Right sector that practice anti-Semitism. Where are the neo-Nazis and the white supremacists? Routinely at Trump rallies, yeah? How many times have you heard Republicans rage n those "globalists?"

Marjorie Taylor Greene, very popular among conservatives, blamed Rothchild space lasers for California wildfires, and believes that "Zionist supremacists" are conspiring to flood Europe with migrants in order to replace white populations.

The funny thing about Israel is that Republicans use it to "prove" their love for Jews, despite the two being different things.
 
Trump glided through the Republican Primary, and he didn’t face a real challenger. Haley won a couple contests but, Trump never felt the pressure at all. All of this despite 4 felony cases, being found liable for sexual assault and defamation, being proven in court to be a financial fraud, losing and then trying to steal the 2020 election, and flirting with dictatorship the entire way. Yet, he remains the odds on favorite to win the Presidency this November.

He’s openly telling you he will become a dictator, or try to, and a majority of the country prefers that to Democratic governance.

What does this say about the country?
There is a reactionary cohort in the Country who is fed up with the give & take of small d democracy. They don’t like the way policy can be changed by voting if it’s not their way. They don’t like having to gerrymander to win elections, they hate the commies who are trying to take over their country. It says that some folks would give up the sloppiness of democracy for a strong leader who would fix everything & take care of the troublemakers.😡
 

What does Trump’s staying power in politics say about the country?

It says my former party of 42 years has turned into a far right, authoritarian party, that has turned away from any and all democratic values, once prized in my former Republican Party, instead eschewing the Rule of Order, the Rule of Law, and the Constitution, to wallow gleefully in the anti American sculduggery of just one scum sucking man. To the 7 tens of millions or more in the Electorate that are with, behind, and fronting for this man it says my-our America has hugely gone astray, somehow, somewhere, and I just do not see a path of return to sanity for my former party, and I fear there may be damage to our Nation that might not be able to be repaired, because of Trump.

I hope, I pray, each and every day, in private counsel, I pray, that I am wrong, but...
 
Damn...you just threw a PILE of deflection against the wall!!


Deflection? You said Trump was about America First. I merely gave you two obvious things that prove that Trump is only about Trump. Simple question for you to try to reconcile your delusion:

- If what Trump said is true, that America has been under assault by illegals since 2017, who want to murder you, and that all Biden has to do is "close the border," why did Trump not close the border in 2017, 2018, 2019, and in 2020 when millions were coming across; and why did he just order his Republicans to kill the border security Bill that they helped create?

I mean, it's "America first," right? That would mean that Trump would want this border Bill so that you won't be "murdered" by the "assaulting" immigrants, right?

Or is it all about Trump? I mean, during Covid your life didn't matter, your democracy and Constitution didn't matter, your temporary Middle-Class tax-cuts didn't matter, your economy didn't matter, your support for cops didn't matter, the military didn't matter. The man is right now replacing the National Anthem with this sad "political hostage" song at his rallies. Did the National Anthem matter to you? Nothing mattered other than Trump's economic gains with foreign governments as he fed you one extremist line after another.

You are dismissed.

And this how Trump so easily controls your allegiance. Fingers in ears, and eyes glued shut. Alternate facts, delusions, conspiracies...all preferable to simple facts that threaten the delusion.

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That the elites have successfully replace the class war with a culture war.
 
I say all the above. This political system is a mess. This country is a mess.
 
Trump glided through the Republican Primary, and he didn’t face a real challenger. Haley won a couple contests but, Trump never felt the pressure at all. All of this despite 4 felony cases, being found liable for sexual assault and defamation, being proven in court to be a financial fraud, losing and then trying to steal the 2020 election, and flirting with dictatorship the entire way. Yet, he remains the odds on favorite to win the Presidency this November.

He’s openly telling you he will become a dictator, or try to, and a majority of the country prefers that to Democratic governance.

What does this say about the country?
It says that America's moral compass is lost....
 
Still, none of that is true. Pontius Pilate and Trump were persecutors. Jesus and Lincoln were victims.




The reference to Jesus just shows incredible hyperbole.

Chop out the unprincipled attacks on Lincoln. Then ignore the jihad targeting Trump. Can't deal with the facts so pretend they don't exist.

BTW Democrats were behind the attacks on both Lincoln and Trump.
 
If Trump becomes President again, he will very likely use the National Emergencies Act of 1976 again.

In 2019, Trump used the National Emergencies Act to declare a national emergency on the southern border in order to get more funding to build more border wall. Congress didn't have the two-thirds majority to terminate Trump's emergency on the southern border. Trump was able to use the power of the purse to build more border wall. It is a bad law that needs to be repeal and replace, and Congress should have already done it.

If Trump becomes President again, I expect him to use that law again for him to go around Congress to do what he wants to do. He will very likely rule as a dictator.
 
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The reference to Jesus just shows incredible hyperbole.

Chop out the unprincipled attacks on Lincoln. Then ignore the jihad targeting Trump. Can't deal with the facts so pretend they don't exist.

BTW Democrats were behind the attacks on both Lincoln and Trump.
The "attacks on Trump" are symptoms of the extent of your state of denial. Trump is the aggressor, the persecutor. You have no evidence to support your claims.

The following are projections onto the current administration of what Trump did. Only RWE consider the Garland DOJ as "politicized".
The two impeachmnts of Trump were the least partisan in history. The "lawfare campaign" is unsupported by evidence. Rosenstein met with Trump
while overseeing the Mueller investigation of Trump. Garland and Biden have not acted in any way that legitimizes RWE ire. RWE had no problem with Trump communicating with Rosenstein, yet blew an uncoordinated encounter that was ill advised but of no consequence beteen out of office, non-candidate Bill Clinton and Atty Gen Loretta Lynch, out of all proportion. You see what your inputs influence you to see. Your imaginary accusations are excuses. BTW, the bureaucrats merely followed the law. Trump was too corrupt to endure that!

Compare how many prosecutors withdrew from cases or resigned from DOJ entirely in reaction to corrupt politicized interference during the Trump
Admin. vs. the Biden. There are zero during Biden's and Garland's tenure.
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Still, Lincoln never had to deal with an opposition party aided by entrenched bureaucrats bent on carrying out Resistance, endless investigation bent on destroying his allies, 2 partisan impeachments and a lawfare campaign directed by a weaponized DOJ. Trump hasn't been assassinated yet. But, he was right to comment on the blatant campaign of hate fomented by Democrats.

2020 dismissal of inspectors general

In April and May 2020, United States President Donald Trump dismissed the inspectors general of five cabinet departments in the space of six weeks. The inspectors general removed were Michael K. Wikipedia
 
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Popularity for authoritarians is not a rare thing. Frankly, we are lucky it hasn't happened before.

Political parties used to be gatekeepers in this regard, preventing demagogues from getting the nomination. But they are so weak now, particularly the GOP, that they can't do that very well anymore.

How about the popularity of social media, which makes gaslighting by authoritarians so easy now.
 
I really like you....Crime is not down...it has been reduced because the lesser crime has been decriminalized to make seem that way.
Inflation has been reduced but not not done away with. Gas prices are on the rise again,
If you think the border is closed I got some ocean beach property in Arizona to sell,.....you interested?
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.bfb645b52431b1430343c8b8aa35cbb6?rik=f2lv8gOAM+wm6Q&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
click on the above^^

But do we really need an authoritarian demagogue to address these issues? Can't a reasonably ethical person be relied upon to deal with them?
 
It says that the fourteenth amendment isn't working properly.
 
Americans are growing ever more sick of progressivism. Nobody but a nut really believes men can be women, the border is anything but an invasion by illegal and dangerous folks, climate change is exaggerated, crime is out of control with no consequences for many criminals, our energy needs can never be met by wind/solar, our military is here to defend not to push social justice policy.

Yeah, but why chose a corrupt authoritarian demagogue to deal with these issues?
 
Trump glided through the Republican Primary, and he didn’t face a real challenger. Haley won a couple contests but, Trump never felt the pressure at all. All of this despite 4 felony cases, being found liable for sexual assault and defamation, being proven in court to be a financial fraud, losing and then trying to steal the 2020 election, and flirting with dictatorship the entire way. Yet, he remains the odds on favorite to win the Presidency this November.

He’s openly telling you he will become a dictator, or try to, and a majority of the country prefers that to Democratic governance.

What does this say about the country?

I mean, there's a lot.

I voted for "Liberal Lies" because the way that the Left has used accusations immunized Trump to left-wing criticism. When the same people who claimed that Mitt Romney (!) was a racist would-be-crypto-Hitler said that stuff about Trump.... well, that meant your average republican could ignore claims about Trump's (actual) fascist tendencies, because "that's just what they say about any Republican who they are afraid might win".

I also voted for both parties failing America, because both parties have sunk deeply into negative partisanship and an unwillingness to treat Americans like adults (to be fair, this is also because many Americans do not want to act like or be treated like Adults). The corruption of each excuses, in the partisans, worse corruption in the other. The ability to say "But Hillary".... and not be wrong in 2016 was a powerful enabler for Trump. Similarly, the ability to say "But Biden" is Trump's strongest argument in 2024 (the same is true in reverse - Trump is the strongest argument Democrats have for their own candidates, which is also sad).

Partisan media silos encourage this by nut-picking the other side, making their own viewers / listeners / readers angry and afraid of the other side, who they are told is crazy, and hates them. They get a vote, and, I hope every. single. legitimate. defamation lawsuit against such an entity (similar to what we saw against FOX and other right wing media organizations following their post-2020 election behavior) continues to cost them incredibly painful amounts. Trump's abuses are massaged, explained, or even ignored by partisan media hacks who first terrify and then are in turn terrified of their audiences refusing to listen to anyone who doesn't tell them what they want to hear (see above point about Americans not being interested in being adults).

As a result.... the GOP has indeed been turned from a "conservative" (to the extent that it ever was) party into an authoritarian right-wing one, and, probably most of it's own voters don't even realize it. They probably still think they are conservative. But, because you can't question the team in zero sum partisanship, no one in their own ecosystem can tell them and be considered legitimate. That's a huge win for Trump, because it makes his authoritarian preferences and personality simpatico with the base. The more the base gets told that the value is tribal loyalty (and that "winning" is therefore, not "policy advancements" but "hurting the other tribe"), the more he can get away with actions and claims that would have been anathema to anyone who pretended to care about the Constitution 15 years ago.

and there's a LOT more. Both parties utterly refused to take illegal immigration as a serious problem, and helped provoke a populist revolt, which he rode. Boomers are a net destructive presence in American politics. The party's have become too weak to protect themselves. Americans are less religious.

etc., so on, and so forth.
 
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