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What could the FBI done had they received a tip on Cruz?

Vetplus40 said:
This is a very emotional subject to say the least. I dare say few if any on DP have ever personally experienced anything close to it. I have had two of these occur near where I live and I can tell you that the impacts are lasting.

That being said, while there is certainly a level of justifiable anger aimed towards the FBI because information about Cruz did not reach the Miami Field Office, I think that they may be a bit of emotionally based misunderstanding that such a tip WOULD have prevented this tragedy from occurring.

Yes, the FBI would have questioned Cruz as a result of this tip, and yes such questioning MIGHT have deterred him, but it may not have either. However, there is no provision that I am aware of that would have allowed the FBI to simply knock on Cruz's door and handcuff him as a result of this tip. As I understand it, he had no outstanding "wants or warrants" and he LEGALLY purchased his weapons. As such, he would have been guilty of NOTHING at the time he would have been questioned as a result of this tip.

This post is not intended to start a "flame war" on guns, so please don't take it there. My main issue is that while the FBI deserves some criticism for their procedural error of some sort (yet to be determined), I am not convinced that they are to blame either.

Other may have a different take and I am certainly interested in hearing what other "logical" and "respectable" opinions others have on the subject.
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Grab all the guns on the block!
 
apdst said:
Not in a civil case Cruz vs. the cops.

Not to mention, Cruz had already been evaluated by a social worker and determined not to be a threat

Had the cops surveiled him after that evaluation, they would have been treading on thin ice as far as his civil rights were concerned.
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That is a separate issue from whether he could be committed with due process.
 
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Old Trapper said:
This is just a reflection of the right wing propaganda started by the coward Trump to deflect from his own legal problems. The FBI received three tips, ther local police received over 30, and yet you seem to feel those three tips were of more importance then the over 30. Typical mindless rational.

Did you know the Va. Tech shooter was adjudicated as mentally ill prior to his killing 49 students, and he was still allowed to buy a weapon?

Did you know the Parksdale killer was in mental therapy three times, and he was allowed to buy a gun?

Did you know that the Republicans have opposed every attempt to strengthen background checks since Columbine
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Some people will always oppose doing what needs to be done
 
Old Trapper said:
This is just a reflection of the right wing propaganda started by the coward Trump to deflect from his own legal problems. The FBI received three tips, ther local police received over 30, and yet you seem to feel those three tips were of more importance then the over 30. Typical mindless rational.

Did you know the Va. Tech shooter was adjudicated as mentally ill prior to his killing 49 students, and he was still allowed to buy a weapon?

Did you know the Parksdale killer was in mental therapy three times, and he was allowed to buy a gun?

Did you know that the Republicans have opposed every attempt to strengthen background checks since Columbine?
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If local police had been given info the FBI had 17 lives could have been saved.

Poor communication is a big part of the problem.
 
shrubnose said:
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If local police had been given info the FBI had 17 lives could have been saved.

Poor communication is a big part of the problem.
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They had the same info, and more. Ineptness was the problem, not the lack of communication.
 
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[/COLOR]d Trapper;1068219943]They had the same info, and more. Ineptness was the problem, not the lack of communicationjavascript://.
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Tell the cops in Florida that.
 
Old Trapper said:
Again, and again,
what information do you think they had that the local police, and mental health authorities, did not have?
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The FBI had tips that Cruz was posting threats online.If the FBIz had passed those tips on Cruz might not have been able to kill 17 people,We'll never know because the FBI dropped the ball.
Just sayin'.

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Old Trapper said:
Again, and again,
what information do you think they had that the local police, and mental health authorities, did not have
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Info on online threats that Cruz had made.The FBI didn't pass those tips on
to local police and 17 peoplec died.That's a fact.

Just sayin'.
 
shrubnose said:
Info on online threats that Cruz had made.The FBI didn't pass those tips on
to local police and 17 peoplec died.That's a fact.

Just sayin'.
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The local police "visited" Cruz's home 36 times, and found nothing illegal. And that's a fact. In fact, Cruz made threats towards others in person, took bullets, etc., to school, and was expelled. Thats a fact.

And you want to whine about online threats that they could not even link to Cruz.
 
Old Trapper said:
The local police "visited" Cruz's home 36 times, and found nothing illegal. And that's a fact. In fact, Cruz made threats towards others in person, took bullets, etc., to school, and was expelled. Thats a fact.

And you want to whine about online threats that they could not even link to Cruz.
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I didn't whine-I posted facts.The FBI had tips about Cruz that it didn't pass on to the local police

Those tips could have saved 17 lives,but the FBI didn't pass them on.

That's a fact
 
Old Trapper said:
The local police "visited" Cruz's home 36 times, and found nothing illegal. And that's a fact. In fact, Cruz made threats towards others in person, took bullets, etc., to school, and was expelled. Thats a fact.

And you want to whine about online threats that they could not even link to Cruz
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They could have linked them if they had tryed hard enough,in any case they sat on the tips and didn't pass them on to the local police and 17 people are dead,if Cruz getsa death sentence 18 will be dead
 
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