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What could the FBI done had they received a tip on Cruz?

apdst said:
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The police weren't watching him because the FBI didn't pass on the warning they had received.A major error by the FBI.

:doh

Homer Simpson could have done a better job.
 
shrubnose said:
They could have warned the local police.But they didn't and 17 people are dead.

Because the FBI did nothing!
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And the local cops would have done what, exactly?
 
The FBI had a tip,but they didn't pass it on to local police, IOW:TheFBI dropped the ball.The killer was caught after he killed 17 people.

:doh,Just sayin'.
 
shrubnose said:
The FBI had a tip,but they didn't pass it on to local police, IOW:TheFBI dropped the ball.The killer was caught after he killed 17 people.

:doh,Just sayin'.
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That's right.

Now, the choice is to ether do nothing, and then catch the killer after the fact once again, or learn from the mistake and catch him before innocents are killed next time. I'm thinking we'll probably do the former.
 
Dittohead not! said:
That's right.

Now, the choice is to ether do nothing, and then catch the killer after the fact once again, or learn from the mistake and catch him before innocents are killed next time. I'm thinking we'll probably do the forme
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My guess is that the FBI will edo better in the future,because most people don't want their kids shot.
 
holbritter said:
I think with his threats in addition to being called to his home 39 times in the past, should have been enough to do something. Maybe we need to change that type of law. You make threats and there is reason to believe you are going to harm someone, you get arrested.

We can no longer wait for something to happen in order to act.
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What could have been done? We can't predict the future and apply laws to preminition. The boy passed his mental examination and background check.
 
Dittohead not! said:
He had been convicted of nothing.

Therefore, he should have been allowed to purchase a powerful weapon, It's his right, after all.

And, in the future, we must wait until the nutter shoots a few innocent people before we can do anything about it at all.


Yep. You guessed it. Nasty old sarcasm once again.
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And what would you have done had you been in charge?
 
Kal'Stang said:
There is no statute that allows a US citizen to be locked up indefinitely unless it was due to a crime. But who says Cruz would have had to have been locked up indefinitely?



If you want specifics you're not going to get them. But I would imagine that all the tips that were given to LEO's, along with all the times that LEO's were called because of him, the times he was suspended and expelled from school and the video he created would have been enough to justify him being committed for more than 72 hours. Which would have been enough for LEO's to take his guns away. All of it combined would have been enough. Not any one thing specifically.



Per law he had a legal right to buy a gun until such time as he was proven to not be worthy of having it. And that is what has your goat. That he was originally even able to buy guns to begin with. Which means that your whole argument is designed as to be nothing more than another call for gun control. You are simply trying to argue that there was nothing that the FBI or local LEO's could have done. Which has been proven to be false. And you're trying to frame your argument as such in order to attempt to pave the way for more gun control.



Sorry but even a lawyer can't get you out of being evaluated for mental issues. And they certainly can't over rule a mental health professionals opinion. Which a judge would take more stock in than any lawyer.
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He PASSED his background check. He PASSED his mental health examination. You CANNOT treat people as "GUILTY" before they commit a crime.
 
Mr Person said:
OP is wrong to say it's wrong to blame the FBI, yadda yadda, but you're in the wrong if you're saying the FBI definitely could have stopped this by working with local authorities on commitment or incompetence proceedings. Neither of us knows that and if someone is going to make a certain declaration, I want that someone to be a psychiatrist with experience in this. /QUOTE]

The OP (me) never said that it was wrong to blame the FBI. In fact, I clearly stated that they deserved some criticism. What I said was that it was wrong to blame them for not preventing this tragedy.
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Vetplus40 said:
And what would you have done had you been in charge?
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I dunno, maybe not allowed someone with a history of animal abuse, having cops have to come to the house over and over, been expelled from school for violent behavior, and making threats to shoot people purchase a weapon? That's just off the top of my head.
 
apdst said:
And they could have been sued for harrassment, too. Then what?
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Then they would have went to court and settled it. Mr Cruz would have probably been committed to a mental hospital and 17 dead people would still be alive.

Do you have a problem with that result?If so, what would you prefer?
 
shrubnose said:
Then they would have went to court and settled it. Mr Cruz would have probably been committed to a mental hospital and 17 dead people would still be alive.

Do you have a problem with that result?If so, what would you prefer?
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Or, lacking any probable cause to surveil Cruz, the police could have been ordered to stay as far away from him as possible.
 
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