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What could the FBI done had they received a tip on Cruz?

Vetplus40 said:
Exactly. He obviously was not interested in going down in a blaze of gunfire, yet he didn't readily surrender either.
What folks seem to keep forgetting is that had a mental evaluation been performed, it would have occurred BEFORE the shooting occurred. As such, the evaluator would not have had this tragedy to go in making a determination.

in any regard, such a mental health evaluation doesn't fall within the purview of the FBI.
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A mental evaluation was performed before the shooting. It was determined that he wasn't mentally ****ed up.
 
Helix said:
how many tips do they get a day? hundreds? thousands? how many tragedies does the FBI prevent that we never even hear about? i'll bet that number is significant, if not overwhelming.

basically, some people are violent, and a portion of these violent people are insane. throw in almost unfettered access to instruments of war, and it's no wonder that there's a mass shooting every week. blaming the FBI for this seems pretty ridiculous.
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I disagree, the FBI has a designated task force that only deals with this very thing. This kid not only had red flags but he was spray painted red. Local law enforcement did pass on concerning info but were powerless to act further than that.
 
apdst said:
A mental evaluation was performed before the shooting. It was determined that he wasn't mentally ****ed up.
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How do you know this?
 
apdst said:
A mental evaluation was performed before the shooting. It was determined that he wasn't mentally ****ed up.
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I can tell you that what we went through with my mother-in-law's dementia issue was "eye opening" to say the least. Every time we went to court to get control of her legal matters, the Judge wanted more and more evidence and medical determinations. Finally, once he ran out of every conceivable argument on her behalf, we got control. Even then, it was only temporary. We have to redo it once every two years now.
 
Vetplus40 said:
I ask again, what had Cruz been convicted of?
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He had been convicted of nothing.

Therefore, he should have been allowed to purchase a powerful weapon, It's his right, after all.

And, in the future, we must wait until the nutter shoots a few innocent people before we can do anything about it at all.


Yep. You guessed it. Nasty old sarcasm once again.
 
Vetplus40 said:
I can tell you that what we went through with my mother-in-law's dementia issue was "eye opening" to say the least. Every time we went to court to get control of her legal matters, the Judge wanted more and more evidence and medical determinations. Finally, once he ran out of every conceivable argument on her behalf, we got control. Even then, it was only temporary. We have to redo it once every two years now.
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You see how that's a good thing, right?
 
Vetplus40 said:
Exactly. He obviously was not interested in going down in a blaze of gunfire, yet he didn't readily surrender either.
What folks seem to keep forgetting is that had a mental evaluation been performed, it would have occurred BEFORE the shooting occurred. As such, the evaluator would not have had this tragedy to go in making a determination.

in any regard, such a mental health evaluation doesn't fall within the purview of the FBI.
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The FBI regularly works with local authorities, and the local authorities are the ones who seek to have a person evaluated for commitment at a mental hospital or seek to have someone adjudicated mentally incompetent.

It is incorrect to say they couldn't have done anything. They could have taken action. But, it's also incorrect to say he either would or would not ultimately have been held.
 
Vetplus40 said:
I can tell you that what we went through with my mother-in-law's dementia issue was "eye opening" to say the least. Every time we went to court to get control of her legal matters, the Judge wanted more and more evidence and medical determinations. Finally, once he ran out of every conceivable argument on her behalf, we got control. Even then, it was only temporary. We have to redo it once every two years now.
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LOL!

Did she publicly state that she wanted to shoot up a school and kill a whole passel of children?

Why don't you give it up? You're sounding more and more ridiculous the longer this goes on.
 
Mr Person said:
The FBI regularly works with local authorities, and the local authorities are the ones who seek to have a person evaluated for commitment at a mental hospital or seek to have someone adjudicated mentally incompetent.

It is incorrect to say they couldn't have done anything. They could have taken action. But, it's also incorrect to say he either would or would not ultimately have been held.
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What we can say is that if the FBI had bothered to find Cruz and work together with local authorities there's a GOOD chance this massacre could have been avoided.

The kid was crying out for help.
 
Vox said:
LOL!

Did she publicly state that she wanted to shoot up a school and kill a whole passel of children?

Why don't you give it up? You're sounding more and more ridiculous the longer this goes on.
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People have stated publically that they want to commit violence against the president. Have they been arrested? Committed?
 
apdst said:
People have stated publically that they want to commit violence against the president. Have they been arrested? Committed?
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What people? What were the circumstances? State actual cases. I'm interested.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, but who other than Floriduh law enforcement and/or school "officials" was in a position to take legal action? My point is simply that local LEOs blew this "nut case" many, many times so (their?) attempts at blaming "others" is pure BS. When the Governor of Floriduh praises the local LEOs and school "officials", who totally blew it, as heroes while shifting blame to the federal government - that is not part of the solution that is leaving the problem intact and simply shifting the blame. How can 2 "blown" contacts (tips?) to the FBI be the "real solution" to the problem when the local LEOs and school "officials" had 39 or more prior in person contacts?
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Oh, I agree that law enforcement blew it. The shooter should have been stopped before he killed innocents. But, what should be done about it? Do we simply bash law enforcement and change nothing, or do we learn from the mistakes that were made and see to it that they're not repeated? So far, we seem to have followed the former course.
 
apdst said:
Because I'm informed...
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If It’s not to much bother could you link something for truth? Wait never mind, I forgot who I was engaging with.
 
apdst said:
So, you're ok with the FBI doing it when it's in your political interest, but not to stop 17 kids from being slaughtered. Gotcha!
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The FBI did have a tip on Cruz


If the FBI had talked with the local police about it they could have saved 17 lives

But they didn't do that,eh?The FBI needs a wake-upcall.
 
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apdst said:
People have stated publically that they want to commit violence against the president. Have they been arrested? Committed?
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Were the countless threats on Obama done the same way.. PLEASE.....
 
Dittohead not! said:
Oh, I agree that law enforcement blew it. The shooter should have been stopped before he killed innocents. But, what should be done about it? Do we simply bash law enforcement and change nothing, or do we learn from the mistakes that were made and see to it that they're not repeated? So far, we seem to have followed the former course.
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The emphasis, so for, seems to be on blame shifting - not on deciding what should have been done for someone that warrants 39 visiits from the local LEOs yet gets no criminal charges or mandated mental evaluation.

How can the local Floriduh LEOs and school "officials" be called heroes if their actions (or lack thereof) ultimately resulted in 17 deaths? The only way is to shift the blame to Trump, (lack of) federal "gun control" and/or "intervention" of the feds - that appears to be the Floriduh Governor's plan in a nut shell.
 
woodsman said:
If It’s not to much bother could you link something for truth? Wait never mind, I forgot who I was engaging with.
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More informed than you, obviously...
 
shrubnose said:
The FBI did have a tip on Cruz


If the FBI had talked with the local police about it they could have saved 17 lives

But they didn't do that,eh?The FBI needs a wake-upcall.
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What could the FBI have done? Be specific; be prepared to show your work.
 
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