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Was Trump right to back the firing of Capt. Crozier

BlueTex said:
Are you making the argument that disclosing the health status of the crew of his ship compromised the security of the entire armed forces while at the same time claiming to KNOW that no other ship is infected? How exactly do you know that little bit of info?
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Leaking casualty information through improper channels is a huge no-no in the service.

Any leader that doesn't enforce the standards is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
 
apdst said:
He betrayed the sailors under his command. He faiiled to protect his boat and then undermined discipline.
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No, he was trying to protect his crew and folks like you would have rather them all die than tarnish the reputation of your messiah Trump. You are anti-American and a traitor to the United States of America. May all Trump supporters burn in hell.
 
apdst said:
Leaking casualty information through improper channels is a huge no-no in the service.

Any leader that doesn't enforce the standards is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
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Before the email his crew was all on the ship


After the email they were taken off in Guam


It worked
 
Praxas said:
No, he was trying to protect his crew and folks like you would have rather them all die than tarnish the reputation of your messiah Trump. You are anti-American and a traitor to the United States of America. May all Trump supporters burn in hell.
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He ****ed over his crew.
 
apdst said:
Leaking casualty information through improper channels is a huge no-no in the service.

Any leader that doesn't enforce the standards is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
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The how the heck do you the status of other ships?
 
cpwill said:
Agreeably I haven't followed this closely, but I am a bit of a stickler for that. I have seen folks in this thread suggest that he put classified communications into the hands of the public.... but no one actually demonstrate that he has done so. Can you provide that, please?
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Nobody has said that HE put classified information in the hands of the public, but his disregard for operational security RESULTED in classified information getting into the hands of the public.
 
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apdst said:
How do you know there wasn't already a plan in place?
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It wasn't getting done. Thus the email.


This guy put his crew before his career.


Tom hanks will make a movie about him. Hes a hero
 
sjmay said:
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

He supports it - OMG He's a demagogue, doesn't care about the armed services

He opposes it - OMG He's a demagogue, doesn't back up the people he puts in charge etc.
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He should have kept his big mouth shut. Nobody needed to know what his opinion was.
Kids think everything that comes into their heads needs to come out of their mouths. Trump should have better judgement. Among other things.

Edit- I can't read the whole story so I don't know the context. My reply is based just on the OP.
 
cpwill said:
Agreeably I haven't followed this closely, but I am a bit of a stickler for that. I have seen folks in this thread suggest that he put classified communications into the hands of the public.... but no one actually demonstrate that he has done so. Can you provide that, please?
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A commander doesn't publicize casualty counts. You know that.
 
apdst said:
Leaking casualty information through improper channels is a huge no-no in the service.

Any leader that doesn't enforce the standards is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
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And you can show the Capt leaked this information? I'll wait.

And health concerns over a virus is not "casualty information."

You obviously know nothing about how the service operates.
 
Michael Cole said:
And you can show the Capt leaked this information? I'll wait.

And health concerns over a virus is not "casualty information."

You obviously know nothing about how the service operates.
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The captain of a nuclear aircraft carrier with more than 100 sailors infected with the coronavirus pleaded Monday with U.S. Navy officials for resources to allow isolation of his entire crew and avoid possible deaths in a situation he described as quickly deteriorating.

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy - SFChronicle.com
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apdst said:
A commander doesn't publicize casualty counts. You know that.
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1. Commander's do release information regarding casualties, though initial release is coordinated through the Pentagon, so as to ensure that things like notification occur along appropriate timelines.

Example: A US Navy Seal died of wounds suffered during a raid in Yemen against al Qaeda -- the first American combat death under President Donald Trump, US Central Command said Sunday.​



2. Sending an email on NIPR is not "releasing". "Releasing" would involve a "release" of the information. I have sent plenty of U//FOUO information over NIPR lines, and not one of those incidents counted as a spillage.


Releasing Classified Information would require

A. A "release", which doesn't seem to have happened.

B. Classified Information. Who is the owner of the information "X Number of my Sailors have Corona"? My initial guess would be the Captain of the vessel, and though he is not an Original Classification Authority, would - at first blush - seem to have the authority to declare the classification of that information.

I could be wrong on this, as most of my experience with classified information isn't built around Medical (though we obviously have the PII and U//FOUO-now-CUI designations and protections for it), but, I would like to see the relevant citation.
 
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Michael Cole said:
He didn't publicize anything. He sent a letter to his boss. Maybe his boss leaked it. Maybe Trump leaked it.
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The unusual plea from Capt. Brett Crozier, a Santa Rosa native, came in a letter obtained exclusively by The Chronicle and confirmed by a senior officer on board the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, which has been docked in Guam following a COVID-19 outbreak among the crew of more than 4,000 less than a week ago.

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy - SFChronicle.com
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cpwill said:
1. Commander's do release information regarding casualties, though initial release is coordinated through the Pentagon, so as to ensure that things like notification occur along appropriate timelines.

Example: A US Navy Seal died of wounds suffered during a raid in Yemen against al Qaeda -- the first American combat death under President Donald Trump, US Central Command said Sunday.​



2. Sending an email on NIPR is not "releasing". "Releasing" would involve a "release" of the information. I have sent plenty of U//FOUO information over NIPR lines, and not one of those incidents counted as a spillage.
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Leaking casualty figures to the media is a huge violation. You know that, soldier.
 
apdst said:
Leaking casualty figures to the media is a huge violation. You know that, soldier.
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As near as I can tell, no one can provide evidence of him leaking casualty figures to the media, nor, frankly, in terms of disease (v deaths) is it that huge of a violation.
 
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