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Was Trump right to back the firing of Capt. Crozier

apdst said:
I posted that evidence twice in this thread, but here it is again...

Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy - SFChronicle.com

Crozier ****ed up and you know it as well as I do.
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.....you do realize that your own citation claims that the source of that leak is anonymous.? The closest they get is that they "confirmed" it with "a senior officer".

You are accusing him of leaking something to the press (and, sure, it's not impossible or implausible - he may have), without supporting evidence.
 
Grand Mal said:
He should have kept his big mouth shut. Nobody needed to know what his opinion was.
Kids think everything that comes into their heads needs to come out of their mouths. Trump should have better judgement. Among other things.

Edit- I can't read the whole story so I don't know the context. My reply is based just on the OP.
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Not positive, but I think he was asked about it....

So then, he has two ways to go there,

Answer the question - OMG HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION NOT THE WAY I WANTED IT, HE'S A DEMAGOGUE (Happening now in this thread)

Or

Don't answer the question - OMG HE'S A THREAT TO A FREE PRESS, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF SPEACH, HE'S A DEMAGOGUE.
 
apdst said:
The service has rules. The captain violated those rules. As a senior officer, he knew better. He got what he deserved. He oughta be drummed out of the service.
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What 'rules' exactly did he violate. No one has provide any specific evidence of it
 
cpwill said:
.....you do realize that your own citation claims that the source of that leak is anonymous.? The closest they get is that they "confirmed" it with "a senior officer".

You are accusing him of leaking something to the press (and, sure, it's not impossible or implausible - he may have), without supporting evidence.
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Post a link quoting him denying that he leaked the letter.
 
Atomic Kid said:
What 'rules' exactly did he violate. No one has provide any specific evidence of it
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Violated the chain of command, compromised the security of his ship and leaked classified casualty information. Are those a enough rules for you?
 
apdst said:
Violated the chain of command, compromised the security of his ship and leaked classified casualty information. Are those a enough rules for you?
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Prove it.
 
Praxas said:
No, he was trying to protect his crew and folks like you would have rather them all die than tarnish the reputation of your messiah Trump. You are anti-American and a traitor to the United States of America. May all Trump supporters burn in hell.
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You are so far from the truth it isn't funny.

Help was on the way, but not fast enough to calm this panic stricken Captain.

You would known this if you spent more time researching instead of running your mouth 24/7 with your usual trash.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You are so far from the truth it isn't funny.

Help was on the way, but not fast enough to calm this panic stricken Captain.

You would known this if you spent more time researching instead of running your mouth 24/7 with your usual trash.
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Help was only on the way AFTER. You would know this if you had a clue, but you don't. Your mouth keeps yappin, but nothing worth while is coming out. The Navy considers your comments an embarrassment.
 
It was correct to fire the captain. We cannot have military commanders deciding to jump the chain of command or protocol just to keep themselves or their sailors/soldiers out of harms way. The captain by all means can complain up the chain, but he MUST do it properly. Allowing his letter to be leaked was a serious failure by him so he had to go.

If every sailor on that aircraft carrier were to die doing their duty to protect the nation; the area fleet operations they are assigned to; or whatever their mission at the time was--- then SO BE IT, that is what they are there for.

What if mid level commander during the Normandy invasion had said, "oh no, this is too dangerous, we are going to hold our positions or regroup" then how would that have been? If Normandy had been flubbed on that day it would have been another 6 months before the conditions would have been right to attempt again.

I'm sure the captain is popular with his crew, but the feelings of the crew DO NOT matter.
 
apdst said:
Leaking casualty information through improper channels is a huge no-no in the service.

Any leader that doesn't enforce the standards is a piece of **** and doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
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Indeed.

It wasn't that his ship's crew caught the COVID-19.
It wasn't that he reported that his ship's crew caught the COVID-19 to his superiors.
It wasn't that he he was critical of the Navy's efforts to air lift those stricken sailors to proper medical facilities in Guam, and the rate of that air lift.

Modly said that Crozier showed “poor judgment” by sending the letter by email to 20 or 30 people. He did not directly accuse Crozier of leaking the letter but noted that it appeared in Crozier’s hometown newspaper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...d4c9ae-751e-11ea-a9bd-9f8b593300d0_story.html
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It was that he shared this classified information, i.e. the combat preparedness of a major US navy asset to some '20 or 30 people' via an unsecured system 'email'.

Everyone knows that only Hillary is allowed to get away with such miss-handling of classified information.

cpwill said:
Agreeably I haven't followed this closely, but I am a bit of a stickler for that. I have seen folks in this thread suggest that he put classified communications into the hands of the public.... but no one actually demonstrate that he has done so. Can you provide that, please?
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Link cited above.
 
Praxas said:
Yes, how DARE he care about the soldiers lives under him. He needed to stay out there so Trump didn't look bad, THAT'S what is important. You conservatives make me sick. Your comments are completely un-American and show that you want people to DIE to save your messiah Trump.
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You're valid point is taken.

But you're becoming a tad melodramatic. Actually, extremely melodramatic. I'm thinking either cabin fever or swag weed. Relax Prax. This too shall pass.

Sunday's are better spent chilling out, I have come to learn.

Peace.
 
sjmay said:
Like I said,

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I guarantee you, he comes out saying this was wrong, you and everyone else would be ****ing screaming that he doesn't believe in the people he put in charge, he's not backing up the Sec Nav etc....
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He shouldn't have neglected them. Period.
 
apdst said:
Violated the chain of command, compromised the security of his ship and leaked classified casualty information. Are those a enough rules for you?
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And saved the lives of his crew
 
Trump neglects the safety of our soldiers, but his supporters make him the victim.
 
j brown's body said:
Trump neglects the safety of our soldiers, but his supporters make him the victim.
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LMAO you think Trump gives day to day operations of the Navy now too?????

Holy **** guys......you guys give him a ****ton more power than he ACTUALLY has.......
 
grip said:
I bet you anything, the order came from Trump himself. The brass ran that incident up the chain of command before acting on it.
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Indeed.


TheHill.com

Pentagon chief warned overseas commanders not to surprise White House on coronavirus measures: report

Defense Secretary Mark Esper asked overseas military commanders to not to make any coronavirus-related decisions that could surprise the White House or contradict President Trump’s statements on the illness, The New York Times reported.

Esper gave the directive last week during a video teleconference call with U.S. combatant commanders based overseas, telling the military leaders that they should check back with the Pentagon before making any moves to help shield U.S. forces from COVID-19, defense officials told The Times.

The Trump administration has sought to ease concerns about the virus, with the president insisting last week that the virus is under control.

Pentagon chief warned overseas commanders not to surprise White House on coronavirus measures: report | TheHill


This is Trump's doing.

Meanwhile a group of Senators and members of the House sent a letter to the Pentagon IG to investigate the removal of Capt. Crozier. This should be an easy one actually given SecNavy Thomas Modly said the decision was his and his alone. So -- man overboard coming soon.
 
sjmay said:
LMAO you think Trump gives day to day operations of the Navy now too?????

Holy **** guys......you guys give him a ****ton more power than he ACTUALLY has.......
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He has worked very hard, as we see on a regular basis, to assure that he is surrounded by people who don't bring him bad news.

In his defense, if it wasn't being covered by Fox News, he was surely unaware.

So blame Fox News, because Trump is never wrong.
 
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