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[W:585:651]]Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Boy, has this lady doctor got it right. And it's what I've been saying all along. This discussion has me going around in circles the way people INSIST that they are really women in men's bodies. So I wanted to respond with this (since this is a trick the left loves to pull on us....

If you truly believe this and you INSIST on it, then please prove it. Take all the facts (xx, xy, mutilation, and everything else (including everything I forgot to mention) and make the best case you can EXCEPT a curse at me, insults, FUs, because experience has taught me that those things do not convince me. I want proof.

OH, another one is anything to do with churches. Some of you out there try to tell those of us who know, that they have the churches on their side. I won't buy it.

Thanks
RamFel

It's a video by someone whose wrong, if you want to follow her, that's on you.
 
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It's a video by someone whose wrong, if you want to follow her, that's on you.

Thanks for your response. I feel she's right mostly because she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, but more importantly, she sounds convincing. Her science backs her up. I wish you could have the life you want, but you really can't. The only advice I have for you is to quit. I know it's fun, but quit while you still can.
 
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Thanks for your response. I feel she's right mostly because she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, but more importantly, she sounds convincing. Her science backs her up. I wish you could have the life you want, but you really can't. The only advice I have for you is to quit. I know it's fun, but quit while you still can.

She belongs to a small, radical group that puts religious beliefs out as Medical knowledge.
 
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Thanks for your response. I feel she's right mostly because she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, but more importantly, she sounds convincing. Her science backs her up. I wish you could have the life you want, but you really can't. The only advice I have for you is to quit. I know it's fun, but quit while you still can.
sounds convincing? LMAO
she only sounds convincing to people who are severely topically uneducated or have vile bigoted views. The medical and scientific communities do not agree with her.

theres ZERO facts to support the video in the OP

the medical and scientific facts are:
transgender =/= delusion

if you disagree with that fact and agree with the OP video then simply provide one fact that makes them equal . . one. thanks! :)
 
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Again, when one walks into a room and see's another human being you have to make assumptions on outward appearances. That person may identify as whatever they like but the reality is that the outward appearance is impossible to ignore.

We can accept an explanation by the individual and respect their point of view. I have no arguments against an individuals choice to identify how ever they please. But there is no rational reason that I must accept that the man dressed in womens clothing is actually a real women. You can pretend to be a women or even believe that you are women, but the body that I see says otherwise. There is no slight or anything wrong with seeing what you see. At best you can accept that the person who looks like a guy wants to be thought of as a gal. In most cases you would need the person to explain their position since there exists many examples of people who's plumbing matches their gender identity, that chose to wear socially opposite clothing for whatever reason. There just isnt any real way to know how person identifies unless they tell you. And once they tell you, you will categorize them based on your own outlook and opinions. Right or wrong those opinions cannot be forced onto the other individual in either direction, that is to say if my opinions differ from yours, you need not accept my opinions, though you could tolerate them.

Personally I accept and respect however a person identifies them self. My opinion that, that person may look like a guy, even though they tell me they are a women does not change anything. It would be rude for me to tell them that, but I can think it without any harm as long as I do not treat them any differently than any other person there is no problem. I just cannot lie to myself and pretend that what I see isnt what I see. I mean a person is called transgender for a reason, there is no rational reason that I must pretend that they are not transgender, and asserting that one must accept that a person is a women rather than a transgender women seems a bit delusional. And much confusion could be avoided if transgender people used transgender in front of the gender that they identify with. Take Bruce Jenner for example, he now identifies as a transgender women and thus changed his name and wants to be referred to as a her. In person I would just avoid using words like him and her or whatever to not hurt him and respect his wishes. But no matter how much Jenner tries to convince everyone that he is now a her, the reality is that Jenner is transgender. The proper way to categorize Jenner is as a transgender women. A male that chose to be identified as female for personal reasons. Lets not insult peoples intelligence and pretend that transgenderism does not exist, either you are transgender or not. You cannot magically become the opposite sex, but you can identify as the opposite sex. You can have reconstructive surgery to look like the opposite sex but that is not going to magically make one the opposite sex either. Identity is the key to being transgender, someone who's gender identity matches their plumbing cannot be transgender. So it should be rational for me to identify transgender people as transgender. Rather than pretending that they are not transgender.

But they might actually be a woman. You could be wrong. That is the point. I have a friend who has been accused of being a man, despite being a "real" woman dozens of times. She appears to be very manly. That is simply how it is sometimes. I have mistaken women for men and men for women before from various angles.

Many think they know, but really they don't. They are still just assuming.
 
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This video will no doubt create tons of controversy but this is a doctor's view on being transgender, not that I agree or disagree with her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-e_wJthmk

Read her transcript. Mostly pseudo science wrapped up in warm fuzzy Christian mythology with a smattering of bigotry.

Transgender is a complex subject... Gender itself is a complex subject.. different from "sex".. male or female sexual attributes.

the offensive part is the idea that this is a "mental illness" that's being perpetrated by parents and people that are convincing children to become another sex.

HOLY CRAP batman is that a load of absolute horsecrap. I have treated a number of transgender folks. The amount of social angst they suffer because their parents, their family, their friends in generally DON"T SUPPORT their feeling they are in the wrong body is heart wrenching. these children are not being pushed by their parents or society to be girls when they are developmentally boys (and vice versa) like this idiot Dr claims.. These children are trying to commit suicide and succeeding at times because society/parents/family is pushing them to remain their developmental status!..

This woman is wrong on so many fronts.. its hard to discuss.
 
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But they might actually be a woman. You could be wrong. That is the point. I have a friend who has been accused of being a man, despite being a "real" woman dozens of times. She appears to be very manly. That is simply how it is sometimes. I have mistaken women for men and men for women before from various angles.

Many think they know, but really they don't. They are still just assuming.

That is my point; that we lack information unless we ask the person we wish to interact with. There is nothing wrong with assuming some things about strangers or people we have barely met. We may be wrong is our assumptions, but we are not magic and cannot read minds. We do not walk into a room see a person and our minds go blank about if they are male or female. We make a quick assumption, then if we care enough to know if we are right, we interact with the person. Or if we do not care, we go on and just ignore the stranger. And sometimes we are mistaken, it happens and there really is nothing wrong with that mistake.
 
Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

Read her transcript. Mostly pseudo science wrapped up in warm fuzzy Christian mythology with a smattering of bigotry.

Transgender is a complex subject... Gender itself is a complex subject.. different from "sex".. male or female sexual attributes.

the offensive part is the idea that this is a "mental illness" that's being perpetrated by parents and people that are convincing children to become another sex.

HOLY CRAP batman is that a load of absolute horsecrap. I have treated a number of transgender folks. The amount of social angst they suffer because their parents, their family, their friends in generally DON"T SUPPORT their feeling they are in the wrong body is heart wrenching. these children are not being pushed by their parents or society to be girls when they are developmentally boys (and vice versa) like this idiot Dr claims.. These children are trying to commit suicide and succeeding at times because society/parents/family is pushing them to remain their developmental status!..

This woman is wrong on so many fronts.. its hard to discuss.

The only area she and I are in agreement is when it comes to children, we need to be careful about cheerleading a life changing choice on people too young.
 
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Thanks for your response. I feel she's right mostly because she sounds like she knows what she's talking about,

Mostly because she sounds like she knows what she's talking about. That's probably one of the most pathetic excuses I've ever heard for buying into anything. Lots of people can sound like they know what they're talking about, without actually knowing what they're talking about.


but more importantly, she sounds convincing.

That's the same thing.

Her science backs her up.

I wouldn't be so certain of that.

I wish you could have the life you want, but you really can't. The only advice I have for you is to quit. I know it's fun, but quit while you still can.

Err . . . quit what?
 
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Thanks for your response. I feel she's right mostly because she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, but more importantly, she sounds convincing. Her science backs her up. I wish you could have the life you want, but you really can't. The only advice I have for you is to quit. I know it's fun, but quit while you still can.

"While you still can"? Seriously? Who exactly do you think is going to stop Renae from living the life she wants? You? The government? Not likely.

And no, she doesn't know what she is talking about. Her science is not sound at all. It was pointed out how she was wrong in many cases just in this thread.
 
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"While you still can"? Seriously? Who exactly do you think is going to stop Renae from living the life she wants? You? The government? Not likely.

And no, she doesn't know what she is talking about. Her science is not sound at all. It was pointed out how she was wrong in many cases just in this thread.

People like her, and some of the posters on here don't care about the person(trans folk) they care about their discomfort with things they choose to misunderstand.
 
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sounds convincing? LMAO
she only sounds convincing to people who are severely topically uneducated or have vile bigoted views. The medical and scientific communities do not agree with her.

theres ZERO facts to support the video in the OP

the medical and scientific facts are:
transgender =/= delusion

if you disagree with that fact and agree with the OP video then simply provide one fact that makes them equal . . one. thanks! :)

Here we go again. I can almost sense your refusal to cooperate. But I will try. The lady in the OP video makes out her case, and it's all I have to go on. You must have something different yourself. If you do (which I doubt) please offer it up as evidence against her. Remember, you don't hold the kind of priviledge which gives you the power to demand anything. If your evidence is powerful enough, I will concede and you will win. Refuse and you will lose very quickly. Do you agree or disagree?
 
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Here we go again. I can almost sense your refusal to cooperate. But I will try. The lady in the OP video makes out her case, and it's all I have to go on. You must have something different yourself. If you do (which I doubt) please offer it up as evidence against her. Remember, you don't hold the kind of priviledge which gives you the power to demand anything. If your evidence is powerful enough, I will concede and you will win. Refuse and you will lose very quickly. Do you agree or disagree?

Translation: you have ZERO facts to support your factually wrong claim LMAO thats what I thought. Another lie of yours completely exposed and destroyed. You make it so easy to expose your lises

Fact remains
Transgender =/= delusion
 
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Translation: you have ZERO facts to support your factually wrong claim LMAO thats what I thought. Another lie of yours completely exposed and destroyed. You make it so easy to expose your lises

Fact remains
Transgender =/= delusion

Lies? What lies? I asked you to get off your throne and come up with something. I admitted that I was a little short on facts and I GAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY to come out and take one of your facts and prove it. I even offered (after looking at your evidence) to concede. In other words, I was trying to make it easy for you. Now you force me to have to do work. Because you have never offered proof of any kind. If only you had just shown me how willing to work, you could have started to recover years of disappointment, years of lies. You didn't even wait. You failed right away. You failed right before my very eyes.

OK, I'm going to get to work now to disprove you and every other wrong person here. But this time, you have lost this argument. You will have lost, and you can try to get out of it, but the damage to your tattered reputation is done and is irreversible.

Get yourself a new translator.
 
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Re: Doctor's Viewpoint on Being Transgender

She belongs to a small, radical group that puts religious beliefs out as Medical knowledge.

Really, I did't realize it. What is the name of the radical group?
 
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People like her, and some of the posters on here don't care about the person(trans folk) they care about their discomfort with things they choose to misunderstand.

Who says that? I want to tell you that I don't care what you do, and who you do it with. You can go with as many people, and do whatever you want and it does not matter. All I am trying to do is prove to you the nonsense you are putting out. If you are going to put someone down, do it with facts.
 
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Really, I did't realize it. What is the name of the radical group?

Did you read this headline and think I was accusing The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) of opposing the LGBT community? That’s the problem. A small anti-LGBT group called the “American College of Pediatricians (ACP)” created a name that is easily confused with the AAP, the largest pediatrics organization in the country.

It is disturbing that news organizations and physicians are citing the "ACP" as a reputable source. The ACP is a small group of physicians that left the AAP after the AAP released a 2002 policy statement explaining that gay parents pose no risk to adopted children. The Southern Poverty Law Center has repeatedly labeled
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ican-college-pediatricians-is-anti-lgbt-group
 
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Who says that? I want to tell you that I don't care what you do, and who you do it with. You can go with as many people, and do whatever you want and it does not matter. All I am trying to do is prove to you the nonsense you are putting out. If you are going to put someone down, do it with facts.

The only nonsense here is your anti-transgender bigotry born of willful ignorance.
 
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To be fair, busting out "the truth" (regardless of context) is fair warning of entering wackyland. I'm gonna go ahead and hit enter without searching my username and keyword truth. I think I'm safe.

How do you know that this group is a group of medical professionals is really a group of medical professionals that are another cesspoolof wingnut hate?

Why is it that hategroups always come out against these doctors.
 
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How do you know that this group is a group of medical professionals is really a group of medical professionals that are another cesspoolof wingnut hate?

Why is it that hategroups always come out against these doctors.

They are, it's a small group of physicians that put religious belief over medicine to the detriment of their patients.
 
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The only area she and I are in agreement is when it comes to children, we need to be careful about cheerleading a life changing choice on people too young.

Yes.. there may be a bit of that. Honestly though.. I doubt that's even close to whats happening.

there might be a few whackadoodles out there that are taking teaching children to accept others to an extreme.. but its definitely not mainstream..
 
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Here we go again. I can almost sense your refusal to cooperate. But I will try. The lady in the OP video makes out her case, and it's all I have to go on. You must have something different yourself. If you do (which I doubt) please offer it up as evidence against her. Remember, you don't hold the kind of priviledge which gives you the power to demand anything. If your evidence is powerful enough, I will concede and you will win. Refuse and you will lose very quickly. Do you agree or disagree?

Well.. lets start with the obvious. Real easy. The author states that the cause of this is that parents are trying to convince their boy children to suddenly be girls and vice versa.

Does that make sense in society? Do you really think that we are at a point where society is more accepting of transgender people.. than they are of people who are secure in their gender? Right there was a whopper of a lie she told there.

Secondly.. you realize that transgender folks.. have been around for decades right? That its not a new phenomena.. whats new.. is the acceptance of people that have gender issues...

SO.. if the cause of people being transgender is acceptance of people being transgender...

Why were their issues with gender decades ago when the predominant attitude was that switching your gender made you a freak at best,, and at worst.. worthy of a beating?


not to mention she has the science all wrong.
 
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Lies? What lies? I asked you to get off your throne and come up with something. I admitted that I was a little short on facts and I GAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY to come out and take one of your facts and prove it. I even offered (after looking at your evidence) to concede. In other words, I was trying to make it easy for you. Now you force me to have to do work. Because you have never offered proof of any kind. If only you had just shown me how willing to work, you could have started to recover years of disappointment, years of lies. You didn't even wait. You failed right away. You failed right before my very eyes.

OK, I'm going to get to work now to disprove you and every other wrong person here. But this time, you have lost this argument. You will have lost, and you can try to get out of it, but the damage to your tattered reputation is done and is irreversible.

Get yourself a new translator.

Translation: you STILL cant post one fact that supports your lies LMAO

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!
 
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Translation: you STILL cant post one fact that supports your lies LMAO

Fact remains:
transgender =/= delusion

please let us know when you can back up your claims with one fact that proves the definition of transgender and the consensus of the medical community wrong, thanks!

Translation - I won't be discussing this topic with you - You continue to do the same thing over and over again (cut and paste) and you're still up to you're still up to you're still up to your old tricks. Please bother someone else.
 
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