[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

[soylentgreen]

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The things that are sins are spelled out. Show me the part where you are allowed to shoot abortion doctors.

I have no idea where that part is. I am not the christian using my belief to support murdering abortion doctors. I treat your book as it should be used, toilet paper.

I can and have in another post shown where a christian justified murder because of his beliefs. That is all i need show. That christians can and will read whatever they want into the book rather than a book actually has anything to say.

 

[it's just me]

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I have no idea where that part is. I am not the christian using my belief to support murdering abortion doctors. I treat your book as it should be used, toilet paper.

I can and have in another post shown where a christian justified murder because of his beliefs. That is all i need show. That christians can and will read whatever they want into the book rather than a book actually has anything to say.

In that case, I treat your opinion the way you treat my book.

If you are going to take loudmouthed positions, the least you can do is give your reasons.

 

[soylentgreen]

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In that case, I treat your opinion the way you treat my book.

If you are going to take loudmouthed positions, the least you can do is give your reasons.

In other words failing to point out how i am wrong all you can do is as you suggest, run away.

I gave you reason and a good example of how that book is misused and nothing more than an excuse for intolerance that comes from the person not a god as some would blame it on. And not from the book either but instead the personal reflection of the person using that book to justify their own neurotic tendencies.

 

[CLAX1911]

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That's the other thing they always overlook: if homosexuality is learned behavior, there would be no homosexuals, since there couldn't have been anyone there to teach the first one.

Excellent point.

And having to deal with homosexuality myself as a young teen that would have done anything to have changed that. I didn't want to be different in that way frankly I doubt anyone that is does, especially at that age

 

[marke]

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Again if homosexuality is a learned behavior, why is it that nobody has figured out how to unlearn it?

The Bible tells us that those who allow themselves to indulge in sins expose themselves to addiction to those sins.

 

[CLAX1911]

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The Bible tells us that those who allow themselves to indulge in sins expose themselves to addiction to those sins.

The Bible explains that we are Sinners by Nature not by learned behavior.

 

[roguenuke]

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Some Christians refer to the bible as the word of god - are they mistaken?

I believe so, especially since pretty much every religion believes their holy book is THE word of God. Even within Christianity itself, many see their version of the Bible, or their interpretation as being THE correct/right interpretation, the TRUE word of God.

 

[it's just me]

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In other words failing to point out how i am wrong all you can do is as you suggest, run away.

I gave you reason and a good example of how that book is misused and nothing more than an excuse for intolerance that comes from the person not a god as some would blame it on. And not from the book either but instead the personal reflection of the person using that book to justify their own neurotic tendencies.

Don't try to put this on me, I have no intention of trying to answer vague anecdotal claims. If you have something specific, let's hear it. Otherwise, go bother someone else.

 

[Logician Man]

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God says fools reject God.
What do fools know about homosexuality?

strawman (circular reasoning)...try again

 

[Wan]

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That's the other thing they always overlook: if homosexuality is learned behavior, there would be no homosexuals, since there couldn't have been anyone there to teach the first one.

But nobody (as far as I know) is claiming that homosexuality is caused solely by environmental factors. Some people believe that the first couple of homosexual persons were truly born that way, however, as the years passed, the gay community grew bigger and it started to develop its own culture, and some gays started to seduce (for a lack of better word) straight people into the gay life-style.

I am not saying the above must be true, but I do think it has merit. Homosexuality, just like all the other human behaviors, is caused by both genetic and environmental factors. If young girls can be influenced into liking Justin Bieber or Katy Perry, then I dont see why impressionable, heterosexual young people can't be influenced into being gay.

 

[roguenuke]

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But nobody (as far as I know) is claiming that homosexuality is caused solely by environmental factors. Some people believe that the first couple of homosexual persons were truly born that way, however, as the years passed, the gay community grew bigger and it started to develop its own culture, and some gays started to seduce (for a lack of better word) straight people into the gay life-style.

I am not saying the above must be true, but I do think it has merit. Homosexuality, just like all the other human behaviors, is caused by both genetic and environmental factors. If young girls can be influenced into liking Justin Bieber or Katy Perry, then I dont see why impressionable, heterosexual young people can't be influenced into being gay.

Homosexuality isn't a behavior. It, like heterosexuality, bisexuality, and asexuality, are all attractions. Having sex with someone of the same or opposite sex, being in a relationship with someone (or multiple someones) of the same or opposite sex are all behaviors.

 

[Wan]

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Homosexuality isn't a behavior. It, like heterosexuality, bisexuality, and asexuality, are all attractions. Having sex with someone of the same or opposite sex, being in a relationship with someone (or multiple someones) of the same or opposite sex are all behaviors.

Not sure what you are trying to say. If you are saying that homosexuality is caused by genes and genes only, then you need to prove it. Whether homosexuality is a "behavior" or not is besides the point.

 

[roguenuke]

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Not sure what you are trying to say. If you are saying that homosexuality is caused by genes and genes only, then you need to prove it. Whether homosexuality is a "behavior" or not is besides the point.

I didn't say that. I'm pointing out that homosexuality is not a behavior, but an attraction. How a person acts on that attraction or other attractions (whether ignoring them or pursuing them in some way or even going against them) is the behavior, but it doesn't necessarily tell us their actual sexuality. It would be giving us their sexual orientation (at least to a point), which can change, especially if a person is bisexual (or at least more bisexual than the majority of people).

A person does not choose their attractions, and those attractions, for the most part, are set pretty well in place by early childhood (if not sooner). I believe strongly that genes influence our attractions to a large degree but that environmental factors can play a part, but mostly early on. There is little indication that true attractions can be changed (but they can be denied) after childhood.

 

[Wan]

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I didn't say that. I'm pointing out that homosexuality is not a behavior, but an attraction. How a person acts on that attraction or other attractions (whether ignoring them or pursuing them in some way or even going against them) is the behavior, but it doesn't necessarily tell us their actual sexuality. It would be giving us their sexual orientation (at least to a point), which can change, especially if a person is bisexual (or at least more bisexual than the majority of people).

Human sexuality, sexual attraction, and sexual orientations are all probably influenced by both genetic and environmental factors.

 

[Wan]

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A person does not choose their attractions, and those attractions, for the most part, are set pretty well in place by early childhood (if not sooner). I believe strongly that genes influence our attractions to a large degree but that environmental factors can play a part, but mostly early on. There is little indication that true attractions can be changed (but they can be denied) after childhood.

I am sure you have heard of the term, "it's an acquired taste". Basically, people started out not liking the taste of certain foods but as time went on, they learned to like it. This tells me it's possible that people can "learn" to be sexually/romantically attracted to certain genders.

 

[Wan]

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I treat your book as it should be used, toilet paper.

I am not a Christian, but I would never say in front of a Christian that I regard their holy book as toilet paper. I guess some people just have more class than others.

 

[roguenuke]

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Human sexuality, sexual attraction, and sexual orientations are all probably influenced by both genetic and environmental factors.

No, they wouldn't be, since they are different things. Sexual attraction and sexuality could be, sexual orientation likely isn't, since it is all about choices we make when it comes to acting upon (or against) our attractions.

 

[roguenuke]

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I am sure you have heard of the term, "it's an acquired taste". Basically, people started out not liking the taste of certain foods but as time went on, they learned to like it. This tells me it's possible that people can "learn" to be sexually/romantically attracted to certain genders.

Foods are different than being attracted to people.

There is no evidence that people "learn" to be sexually attracted to certain genders, at all.

 

[Wan]

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Foods are different than being attracted to people.

I am not saying they are equivalent. I just think there is similarity. Both involve people not liking something in the beginning but later on change their way.

There is no evidence that people "learn" to be sexually attracted to certain genders, at all.

People can choose to adopt the gay life-style.

 

[wolfsgirl]

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I am not saying they are equivalent. I just think there is similarity. Both involve people not liking something in the beginning but later on change their way.



People can choose to adopt the gay life-style.

What is the gay lifestyle? My lifestyle is the same as my neighbors lifestyle. We both have kids, do the shopping, have pets, have cookouts, watch tv, sometimes go out to eat or a movie, schedule doctors appointments, take the car in for oil changes, mow the yard, plant flowers, go swimming,have a beer, sometimes go kayaking, have family vacations, worry about finances, and on and on.

What about our lifestyles makes one a gay lifestyle and one a straight lifestyle?

 

[Wan]

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What is the gay lifestyle? My lifestyle is the same as my neighbors lifestyle. We both have kids, do the shopping, have pets, have cookouts, watch tv, sometimes go out to eat or a movie, schedule doctors appointments, take the car in for oil changes, mow the yard, plant flowers, go swimming,have a beer, sometimes go kayaking, have family vacations, worry about finances, and on and on.

What about our lifestyles makes one a gay lifestyle and one a straight lifestyle?

You are taking this too literally. When I say "the gay life-style", I am referring to the whole, being attracted to, going out and having sex with members of the same sex thing. Of course I know that the daily routines of gay people and straight people are not very different.

There seems to be quite a few gay people on this board, though.

 

[RamFel]

Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

That's what I been saying and getting reamed for it. Nobody has to listen to you, but if I say it's wrong, then it's wrong. Remember you don't have to do whatever you don't want.

 

[wolfsgirl]

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You are taking this too literally. When I say "the gay life-style", I am referring to the whole, being attracted to, going out and having sex with members of the same sex thing. Of course I know that the daily routines of gay people and straight people are not very different.

There seems to be quite a few gay people on this board, though.

How did you go about making the choice about which sex you would be attracted to? If this is something that people can easily choose, then you can easily choose to be attracted to the same sex right?

 

[CLAX1911]

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You are taking this too literally. When I say "the gay life-style", I am referring to the whole, being attracted to, going out and having sex with members of the same sex thing. Of course I know that the daily routines of gay people and straight people are not very different.

There seems to be quite a few gay people on this board, though.

So a lifestyle is all about sex to you?

 

[Wan]

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How did you go about making the choice about which sex you would be attracted to? If this is something that people can easily choose, then you can easily choose to be attracted to the same sex right?

If you are really asking me, then my answer is, I don't know. I am not a scientist. But I know with almost 100 % certainty that homosexuality, and everything related to it, is caused by both genetic and environmental factors.

If you are claiming that people can't choose to be gay and that gay people are all born gay, then the onus is on you to prove your claim.