U.N. General Assembly repudiates Trump on Jerusalem decision despite his threat of U.S. aid..[W:21]

[ecofarm]

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My husband travels and works in the Middle East. He does investments, start ups, and real estate. We talk about moving there often. The interesting thing about the region is that having money can really afford you a very high quality of life. Many aspects of city life is very modern and state of the art. We could live there and have more luxury, less medical bills, free college, more money and assets which we plan to use for more investing and traveling, but not as many rights. It's an interesting trade off to think about.

Socialism works best in small homogeneous populations. Sweden, for example, the size and pop of merely Florida. When geography and diversity present localized interests and concerns, the free market becomes more necessary.

 

[Fishking]

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Because this is not about religion. During the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, Israel captured West Jerusalem. It later annexed it, which is illegal to do thanks to the international laws that we greatly created after World War II. You just stated that we shaped the world. International law is a part of that. In the mean time, Israelis have built on that annexed land in order to tap into the older laws that declared that construction means ownership. This is exactly how Americans pioneered and claimed territory across the U.S. in the nineteenth century.

There are over 20 countries that exist today, that weren't there even 25 years ago. Sorry, but new borders are being drawn all the time and "international law" is a fiction that is only a reality if it's imposed on weak countries. In other words, they are a facade.

You think that with the Islamist issues that Europe faces, that they were going to get behind something like this right now? The Arab governments who have to deal with their own mess?
We are only lucky that we have an ocean separating us from the mess. But this unnecessary, and merely political effort, places Americans (civilian and military) across the MENA in unnecessary danger. And for what, really? This just makes the whole mess that much harder.

Ah...so your position is to kowtow to terrorism, violence, and intimidation. Because appeasing that behavior has always worked so well in the past? And it's always been dangerous for Americans and even moreso today, but that has nothing to do with the embassy move.

 

[SheWolf]

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What country(s)? Yes, if you have money, and you're not part of a certain segment of society, it can be great.

He really likes Abu Dhaubi. We talk about Dubai and Islamabad too.

We currently have more money and assets there than in America too.

 

[Fishking]

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The question of making Jerusalem into an international city has existed since the late 1940s when the state of Israel was created. It is only natural given how many wars have begun over such a ****ty piece of land.

Anywhere from 2 to 4 groups of mentally ill peoples arguing about whose imaginary friend made unverifiable things happen on a desertic parking lot.

I wouldn't call a people group who were exterminated by the millions as mentally ill for wanting a country to call their own so they wouldn't be at the mercy of the countries they lived in that previously exterminated them who then had to fight war after war for their very existence.

 

[Fishking]

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When you are ONLY thinking of your own interests its easy to forget people are dying in Jerusalem as a result of Trump's play for votes at home. He is the epitome of the "Ugly American" manipulating a foreign issue with HIS domestic agenda with complete disregard for the results outside its borders.

So you blame Trump's moving of a building for people being killed. That's interesting. Is there any other instances where you are OK with blaming actions of people killing each other on someone else?

Secondly, moving the embassy is also stupid from the practical consideration, the Capital is in Tel Aviv as well as all the other consulates.

Well, that's factually not true. Israel's capitol is Jerusalem.

Three, there WERE on-going talks for joint occupancy of the city which were going VERY well before Trump opened his every lying mouth. That chance at peace is gone, so I guess his pals in the arms business are happy they will continue to have customers in Israel.

That's a stupid attempt as there was no chance at peace.

 

[yankintx]

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Fools?
Sounds good to me, take away the aid!!! I don't think the UN should have any say where Israel declares it's capital nor if the USA moves it's embassy there either....double the win

Ah so the UN has no buisness in telling Israel but its ok if Trump muddies the water with his ZERO understanding of the region. Trump is obviously in the pockets of the Zionist.

 

[Fishking]

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He really likes Abu Dhaubi. We talk about Dubai and Islamabad too.

We currently have more money and assets there than in America too.

I haven't made it to Dubai, so I don't have as many specifics, but most the gulf countries are very exploitative of workers, especially foreign workers. I don't need to really discuss Pakistan in regards to their overall egalitarian/humanitarian issues.

I mean...it can definitely be nice if you're not part of certain groups and don't mind turning a blind eye to all the bad stuff. There are also some really nice cultural aspects in the Middle East, and many other Muslim countries, that I really like (generosity, family support, ect) but there are a lot of really bad things.

 

[Rogue Valley]

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Lol. You get someone dependent upon what you provide, and then you threaten to withhold it if that person doesn’t do exactly what you say.

That’s not how a great democracy acts. It’s how drug dealers do business.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

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I was hangin' in pretty good there, right up until the Reagan thing ........................... oops ................

I was considering my audience - since he appears to support Trumpism, I figured that a favorable reference to Reagan might be more likely to work. That's also why I often refer to Bush 41 and especially Eisenhower in favorable terms when having discussions with conservatives.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

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Too funny :lol:

"our nation's good name around the world" is not gonna get me a decent standard of living.

This may come as a shock to you, but a lot of what you take for granted...well, you only have it because of our good relations with other nations. For instance, much of the rare-earth minerals that are used to make cell phones and televisions are found in Asia. Much of the fruit that you find in wintertime in the supermarket comes from South America. Tick off the other nations too much, and they might well say "dollars be damned, we're not going to have anything to do with you." Besides, the biggest economic change is coming with China's "One Belt, One Road" initiative, which will bring much of Eurasia closer together economically...and so when it becomes effectively operational, China will suddenly have FAR more economic influence than we will with the entire Eastern Hemisphere. Our only real hope to counter this loss of international influence was the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

But no, Your Boy Trump prefers "America Alone" to "America leading the world".

 

[Dragonfly]

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We are already giving money. We can choose not to.

When you THREATEN to stop funding over a single vote, it's basically blackmail isn't it?

 

[digsbe]

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Israel can do what the **** it wants. Why does our country have to get involved? Trump is supposed to be about America First. Not to mention, we are sending them billions in aid.

Israel says Jerusalem is their capital. It's where the Knesset is, the city is the seat of the national government. In reality Jerusalem is the capital city of Israel. "Getting involved" technically would be keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv and somehow saying the US won't acknowledge the fact that Israel has Jerusalem as the capital. It would be like some other nation saying NYC is the US capital and not DC. The US moving the embassy in accordance with facts really shouldn't be controversial.

 

[celticwar17]

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Ah so the UN has no buisness in telling Israel but its ok if Trump muddies the water with his ZERO understanding of the region. Trump is obviously in the pockets of the Zionist.

He isn't transferring the embassy without Israels permission...Israel likes the fact he is doing this.

And again.... at least Israel is a peaceful multicultural society

 

[Hatuey]

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I wouldn't call a people group who were exterminated by the millions as mentally ill for wanting a country to call their own so they wouldn't be at the mercy of the countries they lived in that previously exterminated them who then had to fight war after war for their very existence.

Lol, a group of people? I called several groups of people mentally ill. There is nothing sane about believing that a piece of land was given to you by an imaginary being that can't be verified through anything other than personal experiences written about by copper age savages, Middle Age bloodthirsty shepherds, and Roman Period hellenists in love with metaphors. Nice play on the Godwinism card though. Maybe it would apply if I hadn't been so careful with my statement.

You coming out of your shell?

 

[Grand Mal]

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when I was very young a pastor told our congregation there would come a time in history in which the US & Israel will stand together, and the rest of the world will be on the other side of the coin.

are we there yet?

No. Your pastor was wrong.

 

[Fishking]

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Lol, a group of people? I called several groups of people mentally ill. There is nothing sane about believing that a piece of land was given to you by an imaginary being that can't be verified through anything other than personal experiences written about by copper age savages, Middle Age bloodthirsty shepherds, and Roman Period hellenists in love with metaphors. Nice play on the Godwinism card though. Maybe it would apply if I hadn't been so careful with my statement.

You coming out of your shell?

I don't know what you're talking about w/regard to being "so careful with your statement". Are you saying that you specifically hid your feelings by crafting a statement to give you enough room to back-peddle out of something? *shrug* I wasn't implying anything beyond you calling Jews mentally ill for wanting to reestablish a homeland for Jews, so they could have more control over their own destiny, after they were exterminated by the millions. In fact, it seems downright reasonable to make such an effort.

 

[Fishking]

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No. Your pastor was wrong.

Errr...if his pastor did say that then he was actually correct, as that is what is factually happening now. This doesn't entail you haven't to have to believe in the Bible or in God or anything. It's just a factual observation.

What a strange comment.

 

[John Prewett]

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[Aristaeus]

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Yes it is. It is the city the nation of Israel has declaredd to be it's capital. It is also recognized as such by the US. Do you think sovereign nations do not have the right to establish a capital city for their country?

Sure, but the city has to be within their legal borders; Jerusalem ain't.

 

[iguanaman]

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How is it that Trump threatening to cut off aid money over a vote is NOT a crime, but Rosie O'Donnell offering money to senators for their vote IS a crime?

One is blackmail. The other bribery.

(for the record, I think rosie o'donnell is guilty of attempted bribery)

And you are guilty of a terminal lack of sense of humor. You don't understand that she was poking "fun" at this......

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[iguanaman]

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Israel says Jerusalem is their capital. It's where the Knesset is, the city is the seat of the national government. In reality Jerusalem is the capital city of Israel. "Getting involved" technically would be keeping the embassy in Tel Aviv and somehow saying the US won't acknowledge the fact that Israel has Jerusalem as the capital. It would be like some other nation saying NYC is the US capital and not DC. The US moving the embassy in accordance with facts really shouldn't be controversial.

Israel is OCCUPYING territory taken in war. Do you condone taking territory by force for all nations? It Mexico invaded Texas and secured it would it be theirs?

 

[yankintx]

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He isn't transferring the embassy without Israels permission...Israel likes the fact he is doing this.

And again.... at least Israel is a peaceful multicultural society

Ya there so peaceful that Israel tried to grab the Suez Canal. Israel has a long history of violence in the Middle East. There is blame on BOTH sides.

 

[Apocalypse]

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Israel is OCCUPYING territory taken in war. Do you condone taking territory by force for all nations? It Mexico invaded Texas and secured it would it be theirs?

Texas is part of the territory of a sovereign country. Israel liberated an occupied territory (East Jerusalem) from a country that occupied it(Jordan), the same way the British occupied it before them. The comparison is wrong.

 

[Apocalypse]

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Sure, but the city has to be within their legal borders; Jerusalem ain't.

What defines a capital of a state is that state's government, it's the same everywhere. The fact there is no world-wide recognition of the land as being Israeli isn't relevant to the question "what is the state's capital?". The answer to that question is of course Jerusalem as this is the city declared as capital by Israeli law and Israeli law governs that territory. (and has been governing for the last 50 years)

 

[PoS]

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What defines a capital of a state is that state's government, it's the same everywhere. The fact there is no world-wide recognition of the land as being Israeli isn't relevant to the question "what is the state's capital?". The answer to that question is of course Jerusalem as this is the city declared as capital by Israeli law and Israeli law governs that territory. (and has been governing for the last 50 years)

Just because Isreal says its the capital doesnt mean the rest of the world has to abide by it. Most UN members dont recognize the "independence" of South Ossetia either.