Trump's budget proves GOP deficit hawks are a dying breed

[Rogue Valley]

Trump's budget proves GOP deficit hawks are a dying breed

3/12/19
n the introduction to his new budget proposal President Donald Trump warns that the federal government "must protect future generations from Washington's habitual deficit spending." He then lays out a budget that makes clear he won't be the one to curb that habit. Under Trump's plan, the national debt is expected to increase by 40% over the next 10 years, from $22 trillion to $31 trillion. Just a few years ago, and with Barack Obama's name on the front page, a White House budget like this would have had Republican heads in Washington spinning. For nearly a decade, GOP lawmakers warned about the dangers of growing deficits and national debt. Republicans took control of the House of Representatives in 2010 by riding a Tea Party wave fueled by voters angry over the financial crisis and obsessed with limiting what they saw as out-of-control government spending. Nearly a decade later, this White House budget is as clear a sign as any that Republican budget hawks are a dying breed and that under President Donald Trump, the GOP has lost its verve for fiscal discipline.

During the Obama era, Paul Ryan spent years presenting lean, entitlement-reforming budgets in the House, knowing they would go nowhere with Democrats in control of the Senate and the White House. The high point of GOP fiscal hawkishness came in 2011, when House Republicans pressed Obama into signing the Budget Control Act, which raised the debt limit of the US government in exchange for a significant reduction of the budget deficit. What a difference a few years makes. Ryan has left Congress, budget deficits have continued to skyrocket, and Mulvaney is now working for Trump as Budget Director and as acting chief of staff. At Monday's press briefing introducing the 2020 budget, acting OMB director Russell Vought echoed the confidence in growth as a deficit-buster. "We are confident that the president's historic tax reforms, deregulation, trade policy unleashing American energy will continue our economic growth. Economic policies in this budget will generate more than enough revenue to pay for the costs of the tax cut," Vought said.

Trump has again demanded yet another $8.6 billion for his vanity wall.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

as usual, republicans only want tax money to go to things they care about and things that affect them, the hell with everybody else. Cut the damn military budget already, stop pissing away trillions killing and destorying all over the world

 

[jghiretire]

Trump's budget proves GOP deficit hawks are a dying breed

Trump has again demanded yet another $8.6 billion for his vanity wall.

WOW - so let's cut so many programs that actually keep people alive. If he kills all of us - who will work and pay those taxes. :shock:

 

[Conservative]

Trump's budget proves GOP deficit hawks are a dying breed

Trump has again demanded yet another $8.6 billion for his vanity wall.

So then your OP is wrong since Trump is proposing cuts and return of social and healthcare programs to the states? Isn't this an example of the left not having any credibility What has happened in this country is the radical left has indoctrinated into the expansion of the federal gov't into areas they don't belong, social and healthcare spending. Trump is returning those programs to where they belong and that drives people dependent on the federal bureaucrats crazy. Looks like you are going to have to sell your state on implementing programs you want vs. getting the federal bureaucrats to do it

 

[Conservative]

WOW - so let's cut so many programs that actually keep people alive. If he kills all of us - who will work and pay those taxes. :shock:

Right, the states and local communities want to kill people. Stunning ignorance of federal, state, and local responsibilities

 

[MrPeanut]

When did the GOP genuinely believe in fiscal discipline?

 

[Lakryte]

So then your OP is wrong since Trump is proposing cuts and return of social and healthcare programs to the states? Isn't this an example of the left not having any credibility What has happened in this country is the radical left has indoctrinated into the expansion of the federal gov't into areas they don't belong, social and healthcare spending. Trump is returning those programs to where they belong and that drives people dependent on the federal bureaucrats crazy. Looks like you are going to have to sell your state on implementing programs you want vs. getting the federal bureaucrats to do it

No because despite those cuts Trump's budget still results in massive trillion dollar deficits.

Not only is Trump trying to slash key services like social security, medicare, and medicaid that people rely on, he is still blowing up the debt with record spending.

 

[Conservative]

No because despite those cuts Trump's budget still results in massive trillion dollar deficits.

Not only is Trump trying to slash key services like social security, medicare, and medicaid that people rely on, he is still blowing up the debt with record spending.

Really? show me the OFFICIAL Trump deficits of a trillion dollars?? Amazing how easily it is to indoctrinate good people. What is the role of the Federal Gov't? How about your state and local gov't? Stop buying projections and look at actual results. Less than 1/3 of the budget is discretionary spending with the rest entitlement spending. When are you and the radicals going to address those?

 

[Lakryte]

Really? show me the OFFICIAL Trump deficits of a trillion dollars?? Amazing how easily it is to indoctrinate good people. What is the role of the Federal Gov't? How about your state and local gov't? Stop buying projections and look at actual results. Less than 1/3 of the budget is discretionary spending with the rest entitlement spending. When are you and the radicals going to address those?

It's right there in Trump's actual budget proposal, which it appears you haven't bother to read. Here is a link for you (straight from the horse's mouth). Go to page 117, Table S-1. There are your deficits. And remember, budgets tend to have rosier projections about the size of the deficit than actually play out in reality. Not good.

As for actual observed deficits, FY 2018 saw a massive increase to a deficit, bringing it to $779 billion. A deficit that large is unprecedented outside of economic downturns.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Trump budget proposal impact. If it’s related to your health, it’s CUT by a lot.

$1.5 Trillion Medicaid
$845 Billion Medicare
$220 Billion SNAP (food for poor kids)
$25 Billion Social Security
$84 Billion Disability programs
CDC & NIH decimated

 

[Conservative]

It's right there in Trump's actual budget proposal, which it appears you haven't bother to read. Here is a link for you (straight from the horse's mouth). Go to page 117, Table S-1. There are your deficits. And remember, budgets tend to have rosier projections about the size of the deficit than actually play out in reality. Not good.

As for actual observed deficits, FY 2018 saw a massive increase to a deficit, bringing it to $779 billion. A deficit that large is unprecedented outside of economic downturns.

Page 117 says nothing about cuts to Medicare and SS which is what you raised nor does it focus on the role of the federal, state, and local governments which you also ignore. here is what your federal taxes fund so maybe you can explain to me where state and local responsibility rests here and why approximately 50% of income earners pay ZERO in FIT?

National defense-FIT
International affairs-FIT
General science, space, and technology-FIT
Energy-FIT
Natural resources and environment-FIT
Agriculture-FIT
Commerce and housing credit-FIT
Transportation-EXCISE
Community and regional development-FIT
Education, training, employment and social services-FIT
Health-FIT
Medicare-FICA
Income security-FIT
Social security-FICA
Veterans benefits and services-FIT
Administration of justice-FIT
General Government-FIT
Net interest-FIT

you really seem to have a problem keeping more of what you earn and have no problem sending more dollars to the federal bureaucrats that created this 22 trillion dollar debt. Why is that? Now answer the question posed, why can't those 50% of income earners pay something in FIT to fund the line items in the budget listed above?

And oh by the way the budget deficits aren't at a trillion dollars actual!!!

 

[Conservative]

Trump budget proposal impact. If it’s related to your health, it’s CUT by a lot.

$1.5 Trillion Medicaid
$845 Billion Medicare
$220 Billion SNAP (food for poor kids)
$25 Billion Social Security
$84 Billion Disability programs
CDC & NIH decimated

Sorry don't see the cuts in Medicare and SS that you see, where are those listed? As for the other items, those are state and local responsibilities but you apparently have no problem sending more dollars to the bureaucrats that created the 22 trillion dollar debt and less to the states to solve their own social problems. You are definitely a radicals dream supporter

 

[Lakryte]

Page 117 says nothing about cuts to Medicare and SS which is what you raised nor does it focus on the role of the federal, state, and local governments which you also ignore. here is what your federal taxes fund so maybe you can explain to me where state and local responsibility rests here and why approximately 50% of income earners pay ZERO in FIT?

My point was Trump's budget runs massive deficits of around $1 trillion. That is demonstrably true - just read his budget.

you really seem to have a problem keeping more of what you earn and have no problem sending more dollars to the federal bureaucrats that created this 22 trillion dollar debt. Why is that? Now answer the question posed, why can't those 50% of income earners pay something in FIT to fund the line items in the budget listed above?

And oh by the way the budget deficits aren't at a trillion dollars actual!!!

None of that is responsive to my argument that Trump's budget is running massive deficits. You clearly drank the kool-aid and thought Trump's budget was balanced, I pointed out how obviously wrong you were, and now you are trying to deflect to other topics. We're done here.

 

[Conservative]

My point was Trump's budget runs massive deficits of around $1 trillion. That is demonstrably true - just read his budget.




None of that is responsive to my argument that Trump's budget is running massive deficits. You clearly drank the kool-aid and thought Trump's budget was balanced, I pointed out how obviously wrong you were, and now you are trying to deflect to other topics. We're done here.

and my point is it is time for the federal gov't to go on a diet and return social programs where they belong back to the state and local gov'ts. Massive deficits are the 9.3 trillion Obama added to the debt raising the debt to 20 trillion dollars and making debt service the fourth largest and growing line item in the budget. Debt service and entitlement spending made up most of the 2018 deficit increase of 17% and still Trump hasn't created a trillion dollar deficit and in fact this budgets have never been approved so where is he getting the spending authority to create the deficits you claim are his?

Why is it such a problem for you to stop giving money to the federal bureaucrats that created the 22 trillion dollar debt and allow the states more revenue to actually solve social problems in their backyard? People keeping more of what they earn bothers you a lot but not the approximately 50% of income earners paying ZERO in Federal Income taxes, that is illogical but typical liberal diversion from reality

oh, by the way where did I say the Trump budget was balanced? he said he would balance the budget in 8 years, his first budget year was 2018 and Trump has actually cut what he controls, the executive branch spending

 

[MTAtech]

No because despite those cuts Trump's budget still results in massive trillion dollar deficits.

Not only is Trump trying to slash key services like social security, medicare, and medicaid that people rely on, he is still blowing up the debt with record spending.

No matter what Con, above, says, the states have no ability to provide the same safety net as the federal government. Moreover, why do we want duplicating effort 50 times? Then, there is the complexity: what happens when someone moves to Tennessee from Kentucky, that may have different benefits?

The reality is that Republicans never wanted these programs because they make people less dependent upon the rich, who want to exploit them and pay them meager wages.

Fortunately, the Democrats control the House and won't let Trump's budget past the front door of the Capitol.

 

[Conservative]

No matter what Con, above, says, the states have no ability to provide the same safety net as the federal government. Moreover, why do we want duplicating effort 50 times? Then, there is the complexity: what happens when someone moves to Tennessee from Kentucky, that may have different benefits?

The reality is that Republicans never wanted these programs because they make people less dependent upon the rich, who want to exploit them and pay them meager wages.

Fortunately, the Democrats control the House and won't let Trump's budget past the front door of the Capitol.

Right, liberal logic is someone in D.C. can solve a social problem thousands of miles away in your local community. What a dumb ass statement to make. People being dependent on the rich to fund their national defense??? Liberal logic? People earning income can pay something for the cost of gov't but like most liberals you are clueless as to the taxes you pay or their purpose. that so called safety net is a trumped up leftwing term that ignores the true safety net in states and local communities. Keep running MTA, this is a lot of fun making you look foolish

 

[Lakryte]

and my point is it is time for the federal gov't to go on a diet and return social programs where they belong back to the state and local gov'ts. Massive deficits are the 9.3 trillion Obama added to the debt raising the debt to 20 trillion dollars and making debt service the fourth largest and growing line item in the budget. Debt service and entitlement spending made up most of the 2018 deficit increase of 17% and still Trump hasn't created a trillion dollar deficit and in fact this budgets have never been approved so where is he getting the spending authority to create the deficits you claim are his?

Why is it such a problem for you to stop giving money to the federal bureaucrats that created the 22 trillion dollar debt and allow the states more revenue to actually solve social problems in their backyard? People keeping more of what they earn bothers you a lot but not the approximately 50% of income earners paying ZERO in Federal Income taxes, that is illogical but typical liberal diversion from reality

oh, by the way where did I say the Trump budget was balanced? he said he would balance the budget in 8 years, his first budget year was 2018 and Trump has actually cut what he controls, the executive branch spending

Running trillion dollar deficits isn't "going on a diet." Trump's budget adds to the debt. Your arguments only make sense if you assume Trump's budget reduces the debt, which it doesn't.

 

[Conservative]

Running trillion dollar deficits isn't "going on a diet." Trump's budget adds to the debt. Your arguments only make sense if you assume Trump's budget reduces the debt, which it doesn't.

Was it a problem when Obama had 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits and now you are concerned about PROJECTED Deficits that haven't happened yet? Can you say double standard and hypocrisy? What is it about people like you who cannot grasp the difference between a PROJECTED DEFICIT and ACTUAL??

 

[Joecool44]

as usual, **politicians** only want tax money to go to things they care about and things that affect them, the hell with everybody else.

I fixed your quote to make it accurate.

 

[Lakryte]

Was it a problem when Obama had 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits and now you are concerned about PROJECTED Deficits that haven't happened yet? Can you say double standard and hypocrisy? What is it about people like you who cannot grasp the difference between a PROJECTED DEFICIT and ACTUAL??

So in your mind it is impossible to evaluate whether a budget will have a deficit or not until it actually happens? Absurd. Are you saying Trump's projections about his budget are wrong?

 

[Conservative]

So in your mind it is impossible to evaluate whether a budget will have a deficit or not until it actually happens? Absurd. Are you saying Trump's projections about his budget are wrong?

We pay debt service on actual deficit not projections. You continue to claim that Trump has trillion dollar deficits but cannot point to any actual deficit over a trillion dollars. I can point to four straight for Obama

 

[MTAtech]

Was it a problem when Obama had 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits and now you are concerned about PROJECTED Deficits that haven't happened yet? Can you say double standard and hypocrisy? What is it about people like you who cannot grasp the difference between a PROJECTED DEFICIT and ACTUAL??

You can't notice the distinction between running trillion dollar deficits when unemployment is 10% and tax revenue drops and running trillion dollar deficits because Republicans chose to give rich people tax cuts?

 

[Lakryte]

We pay debt service on actual deficit not projections. You continue to claim that Trump has trillion dollar deficits but cannot point to any actual deficit over a trillion dollars. I can point to four straight for Obama

Why do you keep arguing against strawmen? Do you know what the deficit is under Trump's 2019 budget proposal? Please state the number.

 

[Conservative]

Why do you keep arguing against strawmen? Do you know what the deficit is under Trump's 2019 budget proposal? Please state the number.

You buy predictions I buy results

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[Bullseye]

Trump's budget proves GOP deficit hawks are a dying breed

Trump has again demanded yet another $8.6 billion for his vanity wall.

Wow, this is the first I've heard of the GOP not eliminating the deficit and the debt in a single year. That's for the update.