Trump whines about social media[W:78]

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You sure are sure that it happened, I'll give you that.

You sure are ready to take the word of a corporate head at face value. Why the **** would anyone do that?

 

[Moot]

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You don't seem to understand, just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean they need to be silenced. That's what being against censorship is about.

Well, understand this...your claim that misinformation could be easily countered with correct information was just proven false. It's called the backfire effect.

I certainly don't like the idea of censuring, especially by the government, but at the end of the day it might be the only way for private citizens to counter the lies and misinformation of those who peddle it for profit and power.

 

[Kal'Stang]

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Moderator's Warning:

Please stick to the topic and stop the personal remarks.

 

[JasperL]

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On the basis that you don't ban speech that's wrong, you shut it down with correct information. That the principle that just because you don't like it doesn't mean he gets shut down. The principle that even undeserving speech gets a voice. One which we are free to deal with through ridicule, derision, or correct information showing just how bad it is.

You either have principles or you don't, the other guy not having them doesn't mean you should compromise yours.

There is no principle that you have to put up with dangerous assholes doing real damage to real people on a private platform or in a private space. Undeserving speech gets a voice, but not necessarily at every venue at any time. If I come into your house and start cussing you and your family, you might call the cops or shoot me if you think I'm a threat, but what you do not have is any obligation to allow me to remain in your home.

 

[JasperL]

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Jack Dorsey sure isn't acting like he needs them at all. It IS bad for business to act like you are neutral and suddenly start restricting accounts, maybe that's why Twitter denied it happening even though the only people being affected with the shadow bans were conservatives and conservative supporters. I don't believe in coincidences, do you?

I'm positive there were others affected not conservatives... Asserting something isn't evidence of it being true.

 

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Well, understand this...your claim that misinformation could be easily countered with correct information was just proven false. It's called the backfire effect.

I certainly don't like the idea of censuring, especially by the government, but at the end of the day it might be the only way for private citizens to counter the lies and misinformation of those who peddle it for profit and power.

I never said easily. I said the best way.

 

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I'm positive there were others affected not conservatives... Asserting something isn't evidence of it being true.

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_people_censored_by_Twitter

 

[OpportunityCost]

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There is no principle that you have to put up with dangerous assholes doing real damage to real people on a private platform or in a private space. Undeserving speech gets a voice, but not necessarily at every venue at any time. If I come into your house and start cussing you and your family, you might call the cops or shoot me if you think I'm a threat, but what you do not have is any obligation to allow me to remain in your home.

Damage needs to be proven, not just asserted. You don't see that the more they widen the circle of what they consider damage, the easier it is to cause harm to those that haven't done anything wrong.

 

[Mach]

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Because they both have had shadow bans at various platforms.

Shadow bans...deep state...witch hunt...fake news....corrupt DOJ...

Just stop already.

 

[JasperL]

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https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_people_censored_by_Twitter

I hope you don't think that link demonstrates anything. It's a VERY, very partial list posted on white nationalist Vox Day's wikipedia alternative.

 

[Linc]

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Shadow bans...deep state...witch hunt...fake news....corrupt DOJ...

Just stop already.

Only Rogue Rudy is Obstructing Justice on the airwaves, illegally Tampering with a Jury.

With Traitor #45 Jury Tampering; A Jury and Judge that has had their lives threatened, Putin’s U$$A

 

[JasperL]

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Damage needs to be proven, not just asserted. You don't see that the more they widen the circle of what they consider damage, the easier it is to cause harm to those that haven't done anything wrong.

You ignored my point entirely. Your property, your community, your rules. DP where you're posting now censors people, and that's GOOD! You don't need ANY reason to kick me figuratively to the curb if you believe for whatever reason that my presence on your property is disruptive or just not WANTED.

And "damage" doesn't even need to be actually asserted much less proved. I mentioned it as just ONE good reason to ban Alex Jones, but there could be other reasons to ban him or someone else.

Bottom line is it's hard to see what you suggest here. Should the government intervene into Twitter policies and require them, and all other online communities, to....do what exactly? Run their ban lists through government bureaucrats before making them effective?

If the idea is people have the right to complain about how Twitter runs their business and encourage people to turn to other outlets, of course that's fine. Otherwise, I don't really see the point here.

 

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You might wanna wake up. Because Alex definitely is not a liberal, he’s the first to be totally banned, but others get shadow banned, Steven Croter, Gaven macinus, diamond and silk, the proud boys.


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You know he has admitted that he is playing a character, right?

 

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You don't have to say it. You protect speech you don't like or you aren't protecting it at all. You have decided not to protect speech you don't like so you are FOR corporate censorship.

I reject this position.

Speech, language, itself has been weaponized against us.

And as these techniques were how every modern tyranny was formed and maintained, I'm quite sure the founders wouldn't have included these practices in the protection of speech.

They denied the tyrants every tool used to established and maintain tyrannies that they were aware of at the time.

Don't even try to tell me they would have protected this one.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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You ignored my point entirely. Your property, your community, your rules. DP where you're posting now censors people, and that's GOOD! You don't need ANY reason to kick me figuratively to the curb if you believe for whatever reason that my presence on your property is disruptive or just not WANTED.

And "damage" doesn't even need to be actually asserted much less proved. I mentioned it as just ONE good reason to ban Alex Jones, but there could be other reasons to ban him or someone else.

Bottom line is it's hard to see what you suggest here. Should the government intervene into Twitter policies and require them, and all other online communities, to....do what exactly? Run their ban lists through government bureaucrats before making them effective?

If the idea is people have the right to complain about how Twitter runs their business and encourage people to turn to other outlets, of course that's fine. Otherwise, I don't really see the point here.

DP doesn't ban people because of what they think. They ban people due to the rules. They even notify people why they receive infractions, Twitter has been very vague about what rules are broken and neglect to notify people in the event of a shadow ban. Twitter decided to run their business one way to attract people and then decided to run the opposite direction on a subset of people because of their politics. That's unethical, nearly fraudulent.

 

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I reject this position.

Speech, language, itself has been weaponized against us.

And as these techniques were how every modern tyranny was formed and maintained, I'm quite sure the founders wouldn't have included these practices in the protection of speech.

They denied the tyrants every tool used to established and maintain tyrannies that they were aware of at the time.

Don't even try to tell me they would have protected this one.

How the **** is speech tyranny? Shutting out views you don't like is tyranny. Allowing even unpopular speech is the opposite.

 

[OpportunityCost]

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I hope you don't think that link demonstrates anything. It's a VERY, very partial list posted on white nationalist Vox Day's wikipedia alternative.

There wasn't much to go on. As you know Twitter sure isn't advertising who they went after. They are denying they went after anyone until caught and enough outrage ensues.

 

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Not even close. Since when is allowing divergent, unpopular viewpoints to be heard confirmation bias?

That's pretty much the opposite of it.

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Since when is violating a Contract OK with conservatives?

 

[OpportunityCost]

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Since when is violating a Contract OK with conservatives?

If Twitter wants to demonstrate a contract was broken there are ways to go about that. Secretly breaking said contract is not a proper way to do so.

 

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Am I calling you names?

You made the decision to agree with censorship. You can call that stance whatever you want, but you agreed with it.

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Post some porn here and then get back to me.

Oh wait....you won't he able to because you'll be banned.

And why would that be....?

 

[OpportunityCost]

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Post some porn here and then get back to me.

Oh wait....you won't he able to because you'll be banned.

And why would that be....?

Reaching for an apples and oranges argument rather early aren't you?

 

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Do you understand how you counter misinformation? With correct information. Censorship always silences people it shouldn't eventually.

Not when people are being led around by their emotions

Persuasion works through emotions. Reason isn't required.

Its NOT your grandpa's propaganda anymore.

 

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So out of millions of accounts only right wing political figures were affected. Jack Dorsey happy coincidence or Jack Dorsey is full of it? Odds are it was targeted and they weren't ready for the PR backlash. But hey, its really interesting to see leftists sticking up for corporate interests...that agree with them politically.

This site is the extent of my social media presence.

You all can continue to provide these corporaitions with more information they can use to manipulate you if you want to.

That IS the business they are actually in. Data mining for advertisers.

 

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Studies show that when people's beliefs are challenged with contradictory correct information, they reject the information and their beliefs get stronger. The backfire effect is a name for the finding that, given evidence against their beliefs, people can reject the evidence and believe even more strongly.


https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_backfire_effect.php

backfire effect - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11109-010-9112-2

It is my opinion that modern conservatism relies almost entirely on this phenomenon.

Human beings do not like to believe that they have been fooled.

It makes them feel insecure about their choices and beliefs.

It is why con men can frequently hit the same mark more than once.

It is why trump could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a supporter.

They would convince themselves that the victim deserved it.

 

[JasperL]

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DP doesn't ban people because of what they think. They ban people due to the rules. They even notify people why they receive infractions, Twitter has been very vague about what rules are broken and neglect to notify people in the event of a shadow ban. Twitter decided to run their business one way to attract people and then decided to run the opposite direction on a subset of people because of their politics. That's unethical, nearly fraudulent.

OK, I don't agree, but you have a good option available - don't use Twitter. That's how it works. No one's free speech rights are being infringed here. If you want an uncensored cesspool but with unlimited "free speech", go over to Gab. You'll see quickly why social media platforms ban people.