Trump ties coronavirus decisions to personal grievances

[Bucky]

Neither of those people did any of the things Trump did and no they're not telling everyone to go out. I notice you can't defend Trump's actions so you go on the attack.

Trump wasted months calling this a flu and a liberal hoax to get him, and it will cost a lot of Americans their lives.

The mayor of NY on March 15th requested people of New York to gather in bars. His staff threatened to resign over his incompetence.

 

[marke]

At today's White House coronavirus update Trump disclosed some very disturbing reasoning. He's inclined to make decisions based on his own personal grievances. Will he go so far as to let people die because a governor has apparently disrespected him?



I'm reminded of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. "You have to ask me nicely."

Lots of people are turning this issue of the coronavirus attack into a platform from which to personally attack President Trump in order to give democrats a better chance of winning in 2020.

 

[yankintx]

That's fine, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he spent months telling everyone it's just a flu, that everyone is overreacting as part of a liberal hoax, and actively contradicting his own experts. This is inexcusable, but you'll try anyway.

Trump had ample oppurtinity to use the Defense Authorization Act, as far back as January. He left this country woefully unprepared for the war we now face. I prefer a leader who is proactive, not reactive.
Almost 3 months to prepare this nation's Healthcare for the coming battle. But no he prefered to BS tell Americans zero cases will arrive in the US, that it was a Dem Hoax.

Damn people wake up!!

 

[Conservative]

Hillary Clinton's husband balanced the budget...not a single so called Conservative has ever done that

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No, Hillary's Husband didn't, there remained a shortfall in the Mandatory part of the budget as he borrowed from SS to make the public debt look better. He added 1.4 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Stop buying what the left tells you. Public debt PLUS intergov't holdings=total debt

 

[RabidAlpaca]

The mayor of NY on March 15th requested people of New York to gather in bars. His staff threatened to resign over his incompetence.

Ive seen no evidence for that and I don't see how it excuses Trump's malfeasance and trying to delegitimize the crisis. It's much easier to attack than defend, isn't it? I'm not a Cuomo supporter, you're a Trump supporter.

 

[Far right dem]

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No, Hillary's Husband didn't, there remained a shortfall in the Mandatory part of the budget as he borrowed from SS to make the public debt look better. He added 1.4 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Stop buying what the left tells you. Public debt PLUS intergov't holdings=total debt

Not sure why you keep repeating this lie. Clinton had a balanced budget if you include SS or not. This is a myth perpetuated by republicans because they refuse to accept the clinton surplus.

 

[ClaraD]

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No, Hillary's Husband didn't, there remained a shortfall in the Mandatory part of the budget as he borrowed from SS to make the public debt look better. He added 1.4 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Stop buying what the left tells you. Public debt PLUS intergov't holdings=total debt

stop parroting Cato. Try to think for yourself...and I didn't like Clinton, certainly didn't vote for him, but I admit he balanced the budget.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton - FactCheck.org

 

[trixare4kids]

stop parroting Cato. Try to think for yourself...and I didn't like Clinton, certainly didn't vote for him, but I admit he balanced the budget.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton - FactCheck.org

PolitiFact | Bill Clinton says his administration paid down the debt

 

[Conservative]

stop parroting Cato. Try to think for yourself...and I didn't like Clinton, certainly didn't vote for him, but I admit he balanced the budget.

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton - FactCheck.org

Again, one more time, you didn't learn from the budget breakdown I sent you, did you? There are two parts of the deficit, public and inter gov't holdings. you focus on public ignoring that Clinton borrowed from SS and Medicare generating what appears to be a balanced budget. Leaving a hole in intergov't holdings isn't a balanced budget nor does the 1.4 trillion dollar Clinton debt show any balanced budget

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

Put the Clinton dates into the following and see what Clinton added to the debt

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The mayor of NY on March 15th requested people of New York to gather in bars. His staff threatened to resign over his incompetence.

Since the actually 15 MAR story was "New York City, Los Angeles Mayors Order Restaurants, Bars, Theaters Closed for Coronavirus", I'd REALLY like to see something that a rational person could conclude even sort of resembled what you say happened.

PS - I have absolutely no intention of holding my breath until you do provide such evidence.

 

[MTAtech]

The mayor of NY on March 15th requested people of New York to gather in bars. His staff threatened to resign over his incompetence.

No he didn't. In fact, he did the opposite. This is 3 days before you claimed the opposite:

Mayor Bill de Blasio declared a state of emergency for New York City, saying the city would work with the state to enforce its decree against gatherings of more than 500 people to combat the new coronavirus outbreak.

The order also applies to restaurants and bars, he said. Venues under 500 capacity will operate at 50% occupancy.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Ive seen no evidence for that and I don't see how it excuses Trump's malfeasance and trying to delegitimize the crisis. It's much easier to attack than defend, isn't it? I'm not a Cuomo supporter, you're a Trump supporter.

The fact is, Trump screwed the pooch big time on this, and it's going to cost him the election. Trumpsters, try as they may, have nothing to defend Trump on this, and therefore they must cast aspersions elsewhere in the hope that somehow it will fog the facts and the issues.

 

[Conservative]

PolitiFact | Bill Clinton says his administration paid down the debt

The basic problem with the left is their lack of understanding that we pay debt service on the TOTAL debt not just the public debt and as I posted in 359 Clinton added over 1.4 trillion to the TOTAL debt. Wonder if the poster has the maturity to admit when wrong?

 

[MTAtech]

The fact is, Trump screwed the pooch big time on this, and it's going to cost him the election. Trumpsters, try as they may, have nothing to defend Trump on this, and therefore they must cast aspersions elsewhere in the hope that somehow it will fog the facts and the issues.

Exactly. We went from it's a "Democrat hoax" to "15 cases now that will go to zero next week" to "it's totally under control" to "100K-200K dead I'll consider a success."

It's conclusive that if the U.S. addressed the seriousness of the virus to the extent that S. Korea did, we wouldn't have the most cases and deaths in the world.

 

[trixare4kids]

The basic problem with the left is their lack of understanding that we pay debt service on the TOTAL debt not just the public debt and as I posted in 359 Clinton added over 1.4 trillion to the TOTAL debt. Wonder if the poster has the maturity to admit when wrong?

Probably not....

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Lots of people are turning this issue of the coronavirus attack into a platform from which to personally attack President Trump in order to give democrats a better chance of winning in 2020.

Yep, and a lot of people are turning this issue of the coronavirus attack into a platform from which to personally laud Mr. Trump in order to give "Republicans" (whatever that means) a better chance of winning in 2020.

The big problem there, as some see it, is that those who want to attack Mr. Trump actually have evidence on their side

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[TD="align: center"]COUNTRY[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TOTAL CASES[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TOTAL DEATHS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]CASES PER
1,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]DEATHS PER
1,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CHINA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]81,554[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3,312[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]57[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]USA
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]190,022
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4,102
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]574
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: center"]CANADA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8,612[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]101[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]228[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
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while those who want to laud Mr. Trump have to simply accept whatever Mr. Trump says on any given day as being **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** - regardless of whether or not is is the complete opposite of what Mr. Trump said previously and regardless of whether it has any basis in fact.

Total acceptance of what _[fill in the blank]_ says regardless of whether or not is is the complete opposite of what _[fill in the blank]_ said previously and regardless of whether it has any basis in fact is the mark of a "religion" (or a "cult") and is the basis of tyranny.

PS - Of the three data sets above, I have a lot more confidence in the USA and Canada ones than I do of the China one.

PPS - Using just the USA and Canada data sets, a person in the US has (roughly) 10.07 times the likelihood of dying from COVID-19 as a person in Canada does. Since the Canadian and American societies are VERY similar, it is obvious that the Canadians are doing SOMETHING more effectively than the Americans are doing - although I don't know what it is. Maybe the fact that the Canadian government did NOT recommend that gun stores be considered "essential services" could account for it, but I doubt it.

 

[Far right dem]

PolitiFact | Bill Clinton says his administration paid down the debt

Looks like you didnt even read your link.

 

[Far right dem]

Again, one more time, you didn't learn from the budget breakdown I sent you, did you? There are two parts of the deficit, public and inter gov't holdings. you focus on public ignoring that Clinton borrowed from SS and Medicare generating what appears to be a balanced budget. Leaving a hole in intergov't holdings isn't a balanced budget nor does the 1.4 trillion dollar Clinton debt show any balanced budget

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

Put the Clinton dates into the following and see what Clinton added to the debt

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Your first link was from a right wing biased source.

 

[ClaraD]

PolitiFact | Bill Clinton says his administration paid down the debt

balanced the budget and paying down debt are different things...you know that right? Further, his statement was true...he did pay down the debt in the last 4 years of his term as your link proves...so in your desperate move to state that he wasn't fiscally conservative, you are again wrong. How much has Trump spent? Trump promised to eliminate the national debt...He has instead added 8.3 T to the debt. So now our total debt is 28.5 T. He also promised growth of 6%...that never happened.


Now let's look at Clinton's tenure. Using the public debt figures, we see that the debt rose year by year during the first four fiscal years of Clinton's stewardship, then fell during each of the following four fiscal years, from a 1997 peak to a 2001 trough.

So using this measurement, Clinton is correct that "we paid down the debt for four years," though he did overestimate the amount that was paid down when he said it was $600 billion. The actual amount was $452 billion -- which was equal to about 12 percent of the existing public debt in 1997.

 

[ClaraD]

The basic problem with the left is their lack of understanding that we pay debt service on the TOTAL debt not just the public debt and as I posted in 359 Clinton added over 1.4 trillion to the TOTAL debt. Wonder if the poster has the maturity to admit when wrong?

Trump added 8.3 Trillion

 

[MTAtech]

Yep, and a lot of people are turning this issue of the coronavirus attack into a platform from which to personally laud Mr. Trump in order to give "Republicans" (whatever that means) a better chance of winning in 2020.

The big problem there, as some see it, is that those who want to attack Mr. Trump actually have evidence on their side

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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]COUNTRY[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TOTAL CASES[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]TOTAL DEATHS[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]CASES PER
1,000,000[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]DEATHS PER
1,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CHINA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]81,554[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3,312[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]57[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]USA
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]190,022
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4,102
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]574
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CANADA[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]8,612[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]101[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]228[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

while those who want to laud Mr. Trump have to simply accept whatever Mr. Trump says on any given day as being **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** - regardless of whether or not is is the complete opposite of what Mr. Trump said previously and regardless of whether it has any basis in fact.

Total acceptance of what _[fill in the blank]_ says regardless of whether or not is is the complete opposite of what _[fill in the blank]_ said previously and regardless of whether it has any basis in fact is the mark of a "religion" (or a "cult") and is the basis of tyranny.

PS - Of the three data sets above, I have a lot more confidence in the USA and Canada ones than I do of the China one.

PPS - Using just the USA and Canada data sets, a person in the US has (roughly) 10.07 times the likelihood of dying from COVID-19 as a person in Canada does. Since the Canadian and American societies are VERY similar, it is obvious that the Canadians are doing SOMETHING more effectively than the Americans are doing - although I don't know what it is. Maybe the fact that the Canadian government did NOT recommend that gun stores be considered "essential services" could account for it, but I doubt it.

The bottom line is that Trump has been parroting George Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four.” Both Fox News and Trump pedaled the coronavirus was "a politically motivated hoax." But the number was surely significant. Then, the narrative turned on a dime from their line from "the pandemic is a liberal hoax" to "everyone must unify behind our great leader in his heroic struggle against the Chinese virus, which he has been fighting from the very beginning."

The parallels with George Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four” are obvious. When Oceania suddenly shifts alliances, and its former ally Eastasia becomes an enemy, everyone knows what to believe: not only was the nation at war with Eastasia, it had always been at war with Eastasia. In Orwell’s vision, however, this mind-set was produced by a totalitarian state whose vigilant Thought Police stamp out any hint of independent thought. America isn’t a totalitarian state — not yet, anyway — yet there are tens of millions of American apparently willing to act and think as if the Thought Police were already up and running.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

The bottom line is that Trump has been parroting George Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four.” Both Fox News and Trump pedaled the coronavirus was "a politically motivated hoax." But the number was surely significant. Then, the narrative turned on a dime from their line from "the pandemic is a liberal hoax" to "everyone must unify behind our great leader in his heroic struggle against the Chinese virus, which he has been fighting from the very beginning."

The parallels with George Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty-Four” are obvious. When Oceania suddenly shifts alliances, and its former ally Eastasia becomes an enemy, everyone knows what to believe: not only was the nation at war with Eastasia, it had always been at war with Eastasia. In Orwell’s vision, however, this mind-set was produced by a totalitarian state whose vigilant Thought Police stamp out any hint of independent thought. America isn’t a totalitarian state — not yet, anyway — yet there are tens of millions of American apparently willing to act and think as if the Thought Police were already up and running.

At a campaign rally on Feb. 10, Mr. Trump suggested that the virus would be gone by April, a claim he has frequently repeated, even though his advisers had warned him that much about the virus was still not known.

“I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” Donald Trump March 16

 

[Bucky]

No he didn't. In fact, he did the opposite. This is 3 days before you claimed the opposite:

Mayor Bill de Blasio declared a state of emergency for New York City, saying the city would work with the state to enforce its decree against gatherings of more than 500 people to combat the new coronavirus outbreak.

By the afternoon of Sunday, March 15, it was quite clear that strict regulations on gathering at bars and restaurants were soon to come. A 50% capacity reduction was already in place, but compliance seemed inconsistent, and enforcement, sporadic to non-existent. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was just one of the numerous New Yorkers calling for more social separation that weekend. But instead of encouraging people to stay at home, de Blasio told New Yorkers to go for one last drink. “If you love your neighborhood bar, go there now,”

All of de Blasio’s COVID-19 missteps | CSNY

Here you go. A direct quote showing de Blasio telling people to go out for a drink on March 15th.

 

[Bucky]

At a campaign rally on Feb. 10, Mr. Trump suggested that the virus would be gone by April, a claim he has frequently repeated, even though his advisers had warned him that much about the virus was still not known.

“I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” Donald Trump March 16

There is still a good chance it could be gone by the end of April.

 

[Conservative]

Trump added 8.3 Trillion

LOL, where is the link to that?? You totally ignore that there was no 2009 budget until Obama signed it, TARP was recycled and included in the deficit for 2009. Trump has only had 3 years in office so how did he add 8.3 trillion to the debt?? Projections don't count. So much for you being a conservative, data confuses you