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Trump Peace Plan

bomberfox said:
I think ill take your judgment with a grain of salt... ive seen you openly reject information that goes against your claims based on your own wacky conspiracy theories as well as your own personal attacks and baseless character assassinations.
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Fascinating non sequiter
 
Jean-s said:
The border of United Nations member state Israel is already recognized and, according to international law, the Israelis cannot add land by military conquest. For this reason the Israeli-Trump deal of the century is dead in the water.
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See, now you are just making things up.

But European socialists are gonna European socialize, I guess.
 
bomberfox said:
Not surprising at all with ahealthy dose of whataboutery.
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Not really. If they don’t take this deal how do you think it will play out. We have a history to draw data from, after all.
 
bomberfox said:
I tend to give on the level of what you put out ;)
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Not really. But keep telling yourself that chief. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

In any event, I take from the dodge and diversion that you don’t have anything substantive to say. Noted.
 
Nickyjo said:
++ Wrong, Israel is legitimate. But it is wrong when it sets up different rules depending on ethnicity or religion. Much as old South Africa and Rhodesia were wrong. I am sure there are differences between in the various systems. Why don’t you explain them? My fear for Israel is that it is setting up a dangerous future for itself that will require more extreme double standards in the treatment of its people. As to the Nazi comparison, it is apparently a violation of international law to build settlements on territory conquered by war, from which residents have been moved or deprived of rights, which was the German plan for parts of Europe. Israelis reportedly can get building permits easily in the OT, for example, Palestinians not so much. If you don’t like the South African or German comparisons, you can look to Malaysia, I believe, where ethnic Chinese were treated differently. But I am willing to consider how the shoe doesn’t fit.

++ There is hope in Israel, however. I just read that a checkpoint guard spent two weeks in jail for denying a pregnant Palestinian passage. She miscarried at the checkpoint. Bibi N is not Israel. It includes Jews at odds with his short-sighted policies.
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When you refering to apartheid and Nazi Germany, two regimes that have no right to exist, the purpose is clear- Israel have no right to exist.

Aside of your anti-Israel slogans and lies, Israel is the only democracy in the ME and it will keep flourishing.
 
Jean-s said:
The border of United Nations member state Israel is already recognized and, according to international law, the Israelis cannot add land by military conquest. For this reason the Israeli-Trump deal of the century is dead in the water.
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When Israel added land by military conquest?
 
NO1 said:
When you refering to apartheid and Nazi Germany, two regimes that have no right to exist, the purpose is clear- Israel have no right to exist.

Aside of your anti-Israel slogans and lies, Israel is the only democracy in the ME and it will keep flourishing.
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Of course Israel has the right to exist. It does not have the right to deny equal treatment to its Muslim and Christian citizens, even as it remains a homeland for Jews. And, of course, much of what I argue has been argued by Jews in and outside Israel. Just google things like “Israeli opposition to the occupation.”
 
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Jack Hays said:
The Palestinians have done this to themselves with generations of political foolishness and military incompetence.
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You send yourself to hell ye sinner!
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Not really. But keep telling yourself that chief. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

In any event, I take from the dodge and diversion that you don’t have anything substantive to say. Noted.
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Yet you still reply ;)
 
Nickyjo said:
Of course Israel has the right to exist. It does not have the right to deny equal treatment to its Muslim and Christian citizens, even as it remains a homeland for Jews. And, of course, much of what I argue has been argued by Jews in and outside Israel. Just google things like “Israeli opposition to the occupation.”
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The Arab Christian citizens in Israel are the only Christians that can live in peace in the ME without any fear of being killed due to their religion, and the Arab muslim in Israel (just like any other citizen of Israel)have more rights than any other muslim in the ME because Israel is the only democracy in the ME.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Right.

EU rejects Trump Middle East peace plan, annexation

Trump's Middle East peace plan rejected by EU amid concerns over territory

After Russia, EU Slams Trump's Peace Plan: Challenges Basis for Palestinian State

EU slams Trump's Middle East peace plan
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Seems to all refer back to his statement. Which wasn’t approved by various members and therefore could not have been issued on behalf of the EU.

Seems to say a lot about the media and this guy’s behaviour...
 
Bullseye said:
And we give a **** about what the EU thinks - why?
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This is of course an excellent point. The Europeans still seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the Jews.

Their policies are a disaster and they have much bigger issues to deal with, but here they are, wrong as always, clinging to the position they have invested so heavily in that has been proven in teal lofe to be wrong time and time again.
 
NO1 said:
When Israel added land by military conquest?
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The 1967 border of Israel is the one recognized by the United Nations. It does not include the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem nor Gaza.
 
Jean-s said:
The 1967 border of Israel is the one recognized by the United Nations. It does not include the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem nor Gaza.
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It was war of self-defense...
And these lands don't occupied and it was never palestinian land...
 
NO1 said:
The Arab Christian citizens in Israel are the only Christians that can live in peace in the ME without any fear of being killed due to their religion, and the Arab muslim in Israel (just like any other citizen of Israel)have more rights than any other muslim in the ME because Israel is the only democracy in the ME.
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So because of that, Israel has the right to do anything.
 
NO1 said:
It was war of self-defense...
And these lands don't occupied and it was never palestinian land...
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The occupied Palestinian territory was not part of Israel in 1967 and cannot therefore be part of Israel after the subsequent military conquest. Gaza had been the part of Palestine administered by Eqypt and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, had been administered by Jordan while the Golan was administered by Syria. None of this land was part of UN-recognized Israel before the 1967 war and therefore cannot be part of Israel today. It remains occupied land in the same way as Crimea remains part of Ukraine.
 
CJ 2.0 said:
From what I can see, he believes that the Arabs living in Judea and Samaria should be relocated. Not my opinion, but would note it is the mirror of the view of various folks who believe that Jews living in Judea and Samaria should be relocated.

In reality, the deal takes land away from Israel that is in its possession and to which no other country has any valid claim and gives it to the Arabs living in Judea and Samaria in which to begin for the first time ever exercising self determination and sovereignty. All the while minimizing the number of people who would need to be moved as suggested by either Yasereoktoo or those who advocate that Jews need to be removed from Judea and Samaria.

The Palestinians have nothing and could gain a whole lot compared to what they have now. The Israelis have it all and would be giving up territory to make it happen. So his understanding of events is accurate and yours is not. Difference is you are first projecting your opinion on what ought to be and then assessing this deal against your opinion, while others are looking at reality as it exists and understanding how the deal would change that.
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What "valid claim"? Israel has routinely illegally appropriated land in the Disputed Territories as her own in contravention of UN rulings, laws and conventions to which Israel is a party, and which Israel agreed to abide by when becoming signatory to the UN Charter. That's the reality, and it is expressly forbidden in international law, which Israel clearly has no respect for and no intention of adhering to.
 
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