Trump Peace Plan

[snakestretcher]

When you refering to apartheid and Nazi Germany, two regimes that have no right to exist, the purpose is clear- Israel have no right to exist.

Aside of your anti-Israel slogans and lies, Israel is the only democracy in the ME and it will keep flourishing.

Only democracy in the Middle East? I see you conveniently omitted to mention Iraq and Egypt.

 

[snakestretcher]

The Arab Christian citizens in Israel are the only Christians that can live in peace in the ME without any fear of being killed due to their religion, and the Arab muslim in Israel (just like any other citizen of Israel)have more rights than any other muslim in the ME because Israel is the only democracy in the ME.

Nonsense. Lebanon's over 36% Christian population lives quite safely, so quit your anti-Arab lies. And both Iraq and Egypt are democratic states-another of your lies.

 

[snakestretcher]

It was war of self-defense...
And these lands don't occupied and it was never palestinian land...

It was never Israeli land either. Israel's occupation is illegal. The 'settlements' are illegal. Moving Israeli citizens into the Disputed Territories is illegal. The acquisition and retention of land gained through war is, guess what, also illegal. This is the same International Law that Israel swore to abide by when becoming a UN Charter signatory, but seems to believe has no purpose and may ignore to suit her purposes.

S/RES/242 (1967) of 22 November 1967

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 - Wikipedia

 

[Rogue Valley]

Seems to all refer back to his statement. Which wasn’t approved by various members and therefore could not have been issued on behalf of the EU.

Seems to say a lot about the media and this guy’s behaviour...

You actually expect the EU to approve of the Trump/Kushner plan which deviates drastically from the internationally recognized 1967 parameter?

 

[Jack Hays]

You actually expect the EU to approve of the Trump/Kushner plan which deviates drastically from the internationally recognized 1967 parameter?

If the Palestinians sign on then the Euros will have no choice.

 

[NO1]

So because of that, Israel has the right to do anything.

Now you are being dishonest, when did I say such things?

 

[NO1]

The occupied Palestinian territory was not part of Israel in 1967 and cannot therefore be part of Israel after the subsequent military conquest.

It was a war of self-defense. In 67’ the soviets tried to label Israel as the aggressor at the General Assembly and the Security Council, and they failed because it was clear that it was a war of self-defense.

Gaza had been the part of Palestine administered by Eqypt and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, had been administered by Jordan while the Golan was administered by Syria. None of this land was part of UN-recognized Israel before the 1967 war and therefore cannot be part of Israel today. It remains occupied land in the same way as Crimea remains part of Ukraine.

You wrong, Judea and Samaria were never part of any Palestinian country, while Crimea was part of the country Ukraine. Palestine isn’t a country but a geographical area.

In addition, Egypt and Jordan unlawfully captured Gaza and Judea and Samaria in 48’, they weren’t the legal owner of the land. Israel on the other hand is the legal owners of these lands according the Mandate which have been approved by the League of nations.

 

[NO1]

Only democracy in the Middle East? I see you conveniently omitted to mention Iraq and Egypt.

As I said Israel is the only democracy in the ME.

 

[NO1]

Nonsense. Lebanon's over 36% Christian population lives quite safely, so quit your anti-Arab lies. And both Iraq and Egypt are democratic states-another of your lies.

So I forgat Lebanon... It's completly reverse my words now...

 

[NO1]

It was never Israeli land either. Israel's occupation is illegal. The 'settlements' are illegal. Moving Israeli citizens into the Disputed Territories is illegal. The acquisition and retention of land gained through war is, guess what, also illegal. This is the same International Law that Israel swore to abide by when becoming a UN Charter signatory, but seems to believe has no purpose and may ignore to suit her purposes.

S/RES/242 (1967) of 22 November 1967

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 - Wikipedia

Israel have legal rights in Judea and Samaria according the Mandate which have been approved by the League of nations. Unlike the palestinian which have no legal rights in these lands.

 

[CJ 2.0]

You actually expect the EU to approve of the Trump/Kushner plan which deviates drastically from the internationally recognized 1967 parameter?

What? No, I expect the EU spokesperson on these issues to speak for the EU when they tell him to speak for them and to not put out personal statements in a way that will be interpreted as a statement on behalf of the EU.

THE EU does not disapprove of the Trump plan because for the EU to do so all of its members must disapprove and not all of them do.

So the EU neither approves nor disapproves of the plan. That’s the reality.

 

[CJ 2.0]

If the Palestinians sign on then the Euros will have no choice.

Not sure I believe that. The international left is using the Palestinians the same way they have been used by the Arab countries. They don’t care about the Palestinians. They care about their own influence in the world and sticking it to the Israelis for domestic political support.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Palestinians ever did come around and accept a compromise that whole swathes of the international left and European bureaucrats would express disappointment and urge the Palestinians to reconsider and/or call them Uncle Tom sellouts.

 

[Jack Hays]

Israeli Arabs Alarmed Over Gantz Supporting Trump's Plan
Shlomi Eldar, Al-Monitor

 

[NO1]

You actually expect the EU to approve of the Trump/Kushner plan which deviates drastically from the internationally recognized 1967 parameter?

Well we are in 2020 and there are about of half of million Jews living in Judea and Samaria, so of course the EU can talk about 67' borders and ignore the reality or they can be pragmatic and support Trump plan.

 

[CJ 2.0]

Well we are in 2020 and there are about of half of million Jews living in Judea and Samaria, so of course the EU can talk about 67' borders and ignore the reality or they can be pragmatic and support Trump plan.

With numbers like that and the contours of Trump’s plan and the European formulation, it sure seems like one side supports the systematic ethnic cleansing of territory and the other side doesn’t.

 

[NO1]

With numbers like that and the contours of Trump’s plan and the European formulation, it sure seems like one side supports the systematic ethnic cleansing of territory and the other side doesn’t.

Yea, the EU actually believe that transfer half of million people is somehow a good peace plan... bureaucrats logic

 

[CJ 2.0]

Yea, the EU actually believe that transfer half of million people is somehow a good peace plan... bureaucrats logic

Whether it is good or not is secondary to me. The piece that really gets me is that they think it’s moral and that their advocacy of it makes them morally superior to those who don’t want to forcibly displace people.

 

[bomberfox]

This is of course an excellent point. The Europeans still seem to have an unhealthy obsession with the Jews.

Their policies are a disaster and they have much bigger issues to deal with, but here they are, wrong as always, clinging to the position they have invested so heavily in that has been proven in teal lofe to be wrong time and time again.

Lol now the EU is in it for Israel. Man you are such a whiny victim.

 

[JMaximus]

There were a few hundreds palestinians which gathered in Ramallah and burn tires...

Those can be expensive to dispose of. Save them up for a good protest burning and you can get rid of them for nothing.

I guess...

 

[Nickyjo]

Now you are being dishonest, when did I say such things?

That was your implication. Yes, Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. More the scandal in how it treats some of its people. As long as you bring it up, tho, what are your criticisms of Israel’s policies?

 

[CJ 2.0]

Lol now the EU is in it for Israel. Man you are such a whiny victim.

Nope. Not a victim.

That’s the whole point of all of this. We are done being your victims. Go find someone else to throw around.

 

[bomberfox]

Nope. Not a victim.

That’s the whole point of all of this. We are done being your victims. Go find someone else to throw around.

Yeah you are. Literally everything is a conspiracy to get israel to you as you have demonstrated in this thread. Just an observation

 

[CJ 2.0]

Yeah you are. Literally everything is a conspiracy to get israel to you as you have demonstrated in this thread. Just an observation

Conspiracy? No, no conspiracies. That’s sort of the anti-Israel folks’ thing.

We just have reality, realpoliticks, human behaviour, ideological conformity, intersectionality among the modern progressive left, the European propensity to put independence from the US as a core driver of foreign policy, and the European shift since the oil embargo to be reflexively “eat us last” when it comes to middle eastern aggression.

But nice try at the whole projection thing. You will get the hang of it over time.

 

[bomberfox]

Conspiracy? No, no conspiracies. That’s sort of the anti-Israel folks’ thing.

We just have reality, realpoliticks, human behaviour, and ideological conformity and intersectionality among the modern progressive left.

But nice try at the projection.

Everyone except israel is always right :lamo. The UN, EU, everyone in this forum except for pro israel posters all out to demolish israel and you expect people to take ya seriously?

 

[CJ 2.0]

Everyone except israel is always right :lamo

Wut?


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