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Trump approval drops by 6 points, majority say recession likely: POLL

Your argument is so stupid, you show that CW, the originator, committed the fraud....and yet, you still think you can pin this on FM/FM.

As I said, you and Fenton never learned anything.

We know you never learned anything. It was the government that allowed them to make those loans
and Fannie and Freddie bought those loans from country wide knowing they were bad.
but you are continuing your dishonesty by half quoting me. just shows you can't actually
handle a real argument.
 
The current game is "unsustainable" - young people don't have stable jobs, young people can't buy homes, and young people today are finding it over burdening to gain education. Money is wasted on over exaggerated "advertisements", that fleece them every 6 months with hype and higher cost. People now use "credit debt" to give them the "illusion of living a prospering life'... chasing the pretensions of "status", based on debt acquisition... is a cycle that already impacts the government with ever increasing cost of what it takes to maintain the infrastructure system, down to cities being eaten alive by the cost of materials and equipment, until they can't maintain and repair and upgrades are out of reach. Some cities have max'd out their 'ability to sell bonds based on projected future profits"... and that means ... the necessity for higher utility and service cost, which translates into higher taxes.
Nearly "every" city has under-funded pension plans, and corporate American has dismantled every aspect of a corporate contribution to "Pension Program".

We -(these current generations- specifically "the baby boomers" and their first generation of offsprings chasing delusions of status and luxury self measure)... DESTROYED.. THE "UNION SYSTEM" THAT ONE PROVIDED PATHWAY TO IMPROVEMENTS IN LIVING STANDARDS AND STABILITY IN EMPLOYMENT. UNIONS, WERE THE WATCHDOG'S THAT KEPT CORPORATE CORRUPTION AND CORPORATE GREED IN CHECK. While providing pathways to "middle class living standards"... The Middle Class has been all about wiped out!!! Unions provided programming that assured a stable structure for the time people came to retirement age.

Unions were the last guard to fall... in standing against excessive "outsourcing industry to foreign shores".

Yeah, that aspect of our society is pretty odd. It's become a necessary evil for those interested in owning property, or making any other large purchase. What I find interesting is how deeply indebted some people become in order to create the facade of "success". That's never made sense to me, and I know people who are so over extended that any financial change in their careers could cause it to all come tumbling down. I've made it a point to manage credit and debt in a way where I leave myself plenty of room for financial changes in life. This has allowed me to have ample savings and debt which is manageable despite changes to my income. I may not have the big house, and fancy cars, but I don't worry about losing what I do have; and I'm lucky to have what and need and then some.
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yet there are no signs of an economic recession. so I guess that is the new leftist attack angle. to talk the country into a recession.
wow hurt working people to hurt trump that is a new low.

I dont think people really talk the country into a recession. Theres usually an underlying fault that breaks which psychologists that pretend to be economists like to have people ignore.
 
The mango madman is the one who started all the ****ing name calling. And you're a little smack talker yourself, so there's that.

Sorry but leftist have been slandering and insulting people long before trump came into office. so you are wrong yet again.
No i simply point out facts that leftist hate.
 
That's your problem right there. Trump could do anything and you would approve.

Not really. There are plenty of things he could do that i and many other people would not approve of.
however from a policy stand point there is nothing that he has done that i fully disagree with.
 
You defend a man who is destroying American democracy. How about that? You go out of your way to defend anything he does, no matter how deplorable, even with facts staring you in the face, simply because you voted for him. Not only deplorable, but deeply un-American.

how is he destroying democracy? list them and be specific in your response to the questions.
paint brush fallacies and platitudes will not be tolerated.

Let me know when he does something so deplorable and be specific. right now you are simply parroting rhetoric with 0 substance.
 
I guess you didn't notice what thread you wandered into.

another fake news thread? which it has shown to be due to actual facts?
 
No amount of anyone who tries to push 'deflection" can change this truth..... The delusion about "Stock Ticker" FICTION... has people blinded to the Truth.
The stock market is no longer what it was designed for. It is a "Casino Game of Speculation" designed for the Wealthy to Play 'position change" in their grasp for power... and the people suffer...
They destroy competition, over burden companies with debt and play "let's make a king of wealthy game" with Executives who orchestrate this madness.

All the while the dollar looses purchasing power - and the results equal "DEBT" and decline of Infrastructure, decline of States, decline of Counties, decline of Cities and decimation of Families...

Truth about the Stock Market... that is not known or cared about by the current system
While some of that has validity, the idea that the big problem is currency devaluation isn't one of America's problems. inflation has been around 2% a year for a decade. So, if a loaf of bread cost five cents in 1930 and now it cost $4.19, in 1930 the average worker made $5 a week. As long as wages keep up. That's were a higher minimum wage and unionization come in.

But the topic is Trump's lower approval rating. So on that, Trump is pure GOP on economic policies -- lower taxes on the rich, lower regulations on corporations and antagonistic towards organized labor. There is no rational reason for people who get paid an hourly wage to vote for Republicans. They're the people exporting jobs and keeping wages low.
 
I dont think people really talk the country into a recession. Theres usually an underlying fault that breaks which psychologists that pretend to be economists like to have people ignore.

yes they can. if you repeat a lie often enough it become true. right now the news media and the leftist running for president are attempting to talk the country into a recession.
even though there is no evidence that a recession is coming. things might slow a bit but that is the typical nature of an economy at some point, however if you look at the numbers
everything is still looking good. only if you want to push a false narrative do you want the economy to tank.
 
Elizabeth Warren will constantly be a faux Indian whose feathers are phony.

Elizabeth Warren is 1% Indian, 99% White and 100% sick and tired of Trump's BS, and she has a plan for that.
 
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yet there are no signs of an economic recession. so I guess that is the new leftist attack angle. to talk the country into a recession.
wow hurt working people to hurt trump that is a new low.
This reminds me of a recent column:

From Voodoo Economics to Evil-Eye Economics

As it has become increasingly clear that the results of his [Trump's] tax cut were disappointing — recent data revisions have marked down estimates of both G.D.P. and employment growth, to the point where it’s hard to see more than a brief sugar high from $2 trillion in borrowing — Trump has invented ever more creative ways to blame other people. In particular, he’s now claiming that the promised boom hasn’t arrived because his opponents are hexing the economy with bad thoughts: “The Democrats are trying to ‘will’ the Economy to be bad for purposes of the 2020 Election.”

Can opposition politicians really cause a recession with negative thinking? This goes beyond voodoo economics; maybe we should call it evil-eye economics.
 
Yeah, that aspect of our society is pretty odd. It's become a necessary evil for those interested in owning property, or making any other large purchase. What I find interesting is how deeply indebted some people become in order to create the facade of "success". That's never made sense to me, and I know people who are so over extended that any financial change in their careers could cause it to all come tumbling down. I've made it a point to manage credit and debt in a way where I leave myself plenty of room for financial changes in life. This has allowed me to have ample savings and debt which is manageable despite changes to my income. I may not have the big house, and fancy cars, but I don't worry about losing what I do have; and I'm lucky to have what and need and then some.
:)

I agree. I have a 20 yr old vehicle, and a 22 yr old truck, I've upgraded both to the point they are as good as any new car in functionality, I don't create debt by buying on credit, I will get a few cards only for the sake of building and maintaining a credit score, but I will pay them off each month.
 
yes they can. if you repeat a lie often enough it become true. right now the news media and the leftist running for president are attempting to talk the country into a recession.
even though there is no evidence that a recession is coming. things might slow a bit but that is the typical nature of an economy at some point, however if you look at the numbers
everything is still looking good. only if you want to push a false narrative do you want the economy to tank.
I don't know that if you repeat a lie often enough it become true. Trump repeated endlessly that Mexico would pay for the wall. They didn't.

If economies can be turned by "willing" we would just get economic increases by thinking positive thoughts. If the best that you have is that the mental powers of Democrats have torpedoed Trump's economy you are choosing to blame the wrong things. As Paul Krugman wrote:

As it has become increasingly clear that the results of his tax cut were disappointing — recent data revisions have marked down estimates of both G.D.P. and employment growth, to the point where it’s hard to see more than a brief sugar high from $2 trillion in borrowing — Trump has invented ever more creative ways to blame other people. In particular, he’s now claiming that the promised boom hasn’t arrived because his opponents are hexing the economy with bad thoughts: “The Democrats are trying to ‘will’ the Economy to be bad for purposes of the 2020 Election.”
Instead of blaming "Willing the economy" maybe you should re-examine the policies of Trump? Perhaps those tax cuts weren't the Harry Potter magic that he said they would be?
 
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yes they can. if you repeat a lie often enough it become true. right now the news media and the leftist running for president are attempting to talk the country into a recession.
even though there is no evidence that a recession is coming. things might slow a bit but that is the typical nature of an economy at some point, however if you look at the numbers
everything is still looking good. only if you want to push a false narrative do you want the economy to tank.

It is very interesting to see a conservative renounce the power and strength of the free market and assign so much power to "leftist thoughts and prayers."
I guess this is the core of The Great Conservative Hypocrisy.

Of course it is even more interesting in the face of their insistence that the Russians weren't capable of "talking their way into influencing the minds of American voters." The Russians are incapable of repeating lies often enough to be true but a bunch of ***** hat wearing American leftists are capable of "talking the country into recession."

I guess I need to send away for a new Republican decoder ring.
But if you were to ask me, a libtard leftist, for my opinion, it would be this:

We are under no delusions as to our power to have a personal effect on the larger economy.
We do not operate the levers of Wall Street and we're not the elite 0.1 percent. That said, we are indeed aware that certain key economic indicators are signaling a downturn and although such a downturn might be painful in the short term, we are keenly aware that the pain of another four years of Trump would be much greater than anything delivered by a short term recession.
And things given as they are, we are prepared to suffer such short term pain if it helps deliver us from a second Trump presidency.


But let's play devil's advocate for a moment and pretend that a bunch of libtard snowflakes DID have the power to bring down the United States economy. If that really were true, it amounts to American people voting with their pocketbooks and their wallets.
And to put it bluntly, you have neither the right nor invitation to sit in judgment on how any American decides to spend their money, and on what.

If you can come up with something better, those pocketbooks and wallets will open up again, but as of now, NO SALE.

If American people vote with their wallets in sufficient numbers to scuttle the economy, it means you were selling lousy ideas and not enough Americans wanted to buy them.
And seeing as how your side espouses the glory and magnificence of the free market, your judgment says a lot more about the quality of what you are selling than it says about prospective buyers.
As of right now, if the American business community is afraid of the power of a bunch of libtard snowflakes, then maybe the American business community might want to stop supporting people who piss them off.

No one is under any obligation to buy what you're selling, or what Trump is selling.
 
I don't know that if you repeat a lie often enough it become true. Trump repeated endlessly that Mexico would pay for the wall. They didn't.

If economies can be turned by "willing" we would just get economic increases by thinking positive thoughts. If the best that you have is that the mental powers of Democrats have torpedoed Trump's economy you are choosing to blame the wrong things. As Paul Krugman wrote:

Instead of blaming "Willing the economy" maybe you should re-examine the policies of Trump? Perhaps those tax cuts weren't the Harry Potter magic that he said they would be?

Fear is a powerful tool. Actually the economy is doing very well under trump and has increased more so under him than obama.
Krugman is a leftwing hack he has been wrong so many time he isn't worth listening too anymore.

actually tax cuts have been doing very well for people. 80% of americans received a tax cut.
they are paying less taxes than they were.

more minorities and women are employed
salaries and wages have gone up by a big amount.
there are now a ton of jobs being created.

why are you mad? you should be happy that people have more money
and there are plenty of jobs for people and that wages are gone up.

ol yea it means that trump is doing a good job.
his biggest effort was lifting billions of obama regulations that was costing businesses.
 
ACtually it isn't weakening. by all indicators the economy is moving along just fine.
again you should stop reading the leftist media. there could be a minor slow down but not a recession
slow down.

The economic numbers are continuing to defy the recession hype

i know you wont' read it but i will post it anyway just to prove you incorrect.
Your side is just lying to itself. We have Trump doing much of the lying and his merry band of Manson followers swear to it. Evidence of the fact that Trump knows the economy is weakening is that he's urging the Fed to lower rates. If the economy is so strong, that would be unnecessary.
 
It is very interesting to see a conservative renounce the power and strength of the free market and assign so much power to "leftist thoughts and prayers."
I guess this is the core of The Great Conservative Hypocrisy.

No hypocrisy at all. as powerful as the free market is. fear is a powerful motivator. if you let fear creep into the markets then you can see them turn bullish and start pulling back.

Of course it is even more interesting in the face of their insistence that the Russians weren't capable of "talking their way into influencing the minds of American voters." The Russians are incapable of repeating lies often enough to be true but a bunch of ***** hat wearing American leftists are capable of "talking the country into recession."

Russia had little impact on anything. Wouldn't be the first time that fear pushed the market into a recession.

We are under no delusions as to our power to have a personal effect on the larger economy.
We do not operate the levers of Wall Street and we're not the elite 0.1 percent. That said, we are indeed aware that certain key economic indicators are signaling a downturn and although such a downturn might be painful in the short term, we are keenly aware that the pain of another four years of Trump would be much greater than anything delivered by a short term recession.
And things given as they are, we are prepared to suffer such short term pain if it helps deliver us from a second Trump presidency.

yeah i know it is sad that lefists are upset that the economy is doing so well. so much for them being for the working guy.
their true motives are revealed in that statement right there.

But let's play devil's advocate for a moment and pretend that a bunch of libtard snowflakes DID have the power to bring down the United States economy. If that really were true, it amounts to American people voting with their pocketbooks and their wallets.
And to put it bluntly, you have neither the right nor invitation to sit in judgment on how any American decides to spend their money, and on what.

to put it bluntly it is pathetic that you would rather see the economy tank and people hurt etc over a president.

If you can come up with something better, those pocketbooks and wallets will open up again, but as of now, NO SALE.
If American people vote with their wallets in sufficient numbers to scuttle the economy, it means you were selling lousy ideas and not enough Americans wanted to buy them.
And seeing as how your side espouses the glory and magnificence of the free market, your judgment says a lot more about the quality of what you are selling than it says about prospective buyers.
As of right now, if the American business community is afraid of the power of a bunch of libtard snowflakes, then maybe the American business community might want to stop supporting people who piss them off.

No one is under any obligation to buy what you're selling, or what Trump is selling.

Which is why i am simply correcting the leftist denial of facts. pretty easy to do on a regular basis.
 
If there is a recession, the next president will be blamed for it, or blamed for not cleaning it up fast enough. That's what happens. A Democrat president rights the economic ship, a Republican is elected and immediately steers the ship towards an iceberg.
 
FAKE NEWS. The head of the Federal Reserve came out the other day and said there is no evidence nor any signs of a recession. He said the economy is doing well and it's going strong. In addition, the talks of recession has been going on since Trump's presidency, and for 3 years, there has been no danger of being in one nor did we ever go through one, and, again, nothing to say that one is imminent. Also, in newly released polling data, key states, both the states he won and didn't win in 2016, Trump's approval is over 60% and is expected to grow. So this talk of his approval numbers plummeting and a recession some time soon is a false ABC News story with no substance. Mr Moderator, move this thread to the Conspiracy Theories section please. Thank You!
 
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Your side is just lying to itself. We have Trump doing much of the lying and his merry band of Manson followers swear to it. Evidence of the fact that Trump knows the economy is weakening is that he's urging the Fed to lower rates. If the economy is so strong, that would be unnecessary.

The fed isn't going to lower rates if you would have read the article, but i knew you wouldn't read the article.
 
FAKE NEWS. The head of the Federal Reserve came out the other day and said there is no evidence nor any signs of a recession. He said the economy is doing well and it's going strong. Also, in newly released polling data, key states, both the states he won and didn't win in 2016, Trump's approval is over 60% and is expected to grow. So this talk of his approval numbers plummeting and a recession some time soon is a false ABC News story with no substance. Mr Moderator, move this thread to the Conspiracy Theories section please. Thank You!

bingo these leftist lies are so easy to debunk time and time again.
 
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