The right is predicting that the left will react violently if Their leader wins in 2020

[Phys251]

I may have missed it. Did you answer the question?

And I will take the word of ADL over someone who saw a banner years ago.

So you're going to stick to your gaslighting. Got it. You are dismissed. :thumbs:

 

[Fledermaus]

So you're going to stick to your gaslighting. Got it. You are dismissed. :thumbs:

You ramble about gaslighting... Why don't you just answer the question?

Is or is not ANTIFA made up of both leftists (note, I didn't say liberals) and anarchists?

The ADL believes so. ANTIFA appears to believe so as well.

 

[Fledermaus]

I predict when society force these right wing supporters back under the rocks they came from , it will be the last voice of hate that has any political clout. About These haters, our society has been able to keep them under their rocks with this country's morals and conscience for decades and they would have stayed there if they hadn't found a voice in pres Scum Bag. When he goes , this country will go back to ignoring and pretending we don't even know these haters as they are forced back to live the rest of their lives under their rocks.

There are plenty of haters to go around.

They aren't just on the right wing.

 

[MSgt]

Here's some of the possible ways that gun violence can be controlled as offered by democrats:

1. Require all gun owners to acquire a license through the federal government. Currently, 16 states have similar laws to varying degrees.

2. Universal background checks

3. Assault weapons ban

4. Require near-universal background checks to be run by people selling more than five guns in a year and revoke the licenses of gun manufacturers and dealers that break the law.

5. Prevent people on a terrorist watch list from buying guns.

6. Ban high-capacity magazines

7. Gun buy-back program to reduce the number of guns owned by civilians, and provide a process whereby civilians can sell their privately owned firearms to the government without risk of prosecution.

Here's some of the possible ways that gun violence can be controlled as offered by republicans:

1. Arm as many people as possible over the age of 18 with guns.

According to your presentation:

The steps that Democrats would take is responsible and continues to allow for the Second Amendment. Though a high-capacity magazine would just mean a sooner reload, I see the point of pushing the idea of responsibility in society. But ultimately, these mass shooters are generally underage kids or twenty-somethings, with no criminal record, who use weapons that were legally purchased by either their parents or themselves.

Australia gives us a very good process in terms of buy-back. The first thing gun nuts will state is that criminals won't sell their guns back, but they would be wrong on two counts. One, enough of them are poor and strapped for cash that plenty enough would. And two, these mass shootings are coming out of white middle-class homes with no criminal records so this isn't really about the "criminal."

Republicans (GOP) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have largely seen their most cherished ideologies (NeoCon, Trickle Down, Church attendance) crumble over the last fourteen years and are clinging to threads. There's a reason voters wanted Trump (a middle finger to the world) to "shake things up." They mostly meant to turn back the clock. They don't know what else to do other than project the idea that they are leading a political revolution, while still clinging to remnants of broken ideologies that have outlived their expiration dates. Donald Trump even shattered the ideology that FOX News is "fair and balanced" or that it isn't about political propaganda by declaring that it doesn't support him enough. Forget that "fair and balanced" always implied that the news was being presented though a political lens. Facts and truth shouldn't need to be balanced between people's political comfort zones.

NRA ideology is a part of this. The NRA has locked down the GOP to the point where even Donald Trump boasted not to be afraid of the NRA. Just yesterday the NRA declared that Wal-Mart's newest rules are bad for business. So even the curtains that allowed for the idea that the NRA is all about our Rights and our freedoms is finally being pulled back. So, arm everybody with a heartbeat is just more of the same "**** it all" attitude of the desperate. This is historical throughout the world. When societies see their most cherished ideas of the world come to their ends, they react negatively and start inventing enemies to blame for natural change.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Nope, all I get are hempfest updates and invites to the drum circles held behind my local Whole Foods

Oh, so you missed Bundyfest!



I didn't want to hurt Sean Shealy's feelings but I think he might be holding a picture of the wrong Bundy... :lamo

 

[jbander]

You've made my point....pretty much everything you just said confirms you have no idea what you're talking about.

And getting a Federal Class 3 firearms permit is expensive, time consuming and requires multiple FBI background checks and personal FBI interviews .....very few people go through the trouble or even want to own such weapons.

And for that matter when was the last time an assault weapon was used in a mass shooting??? Like never!!!

Well then your mistaking , your the one who has no clue , a class 3 license(look below) isn't for just owner ship it allows you to sell also, that one you got wrong. You need a CLASS 4 TO OWN A Machine gun or any weapon that's a NFA weapons designates AND OTHER THEN A WAIT TIME ,IT IS SIMPLE TO GET, you got that totally wrong and a class 4 COST 200.00 YOU HAVE NO CLUE BUDDY. AND NO YOU DON'T SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE FBI as you say .Now to top it off there really is no such thing as a class 3 license it is a FFL. Every point you made is bull****, it's as simple as that. there are many people here that know you have no clue because they do have a clue. sorry buddy no prize.

 

[bomberfox]

I have no idea where you got the absurd statistic that 2 out of 3 are committed by the right, but uhh, I think you need to account that many hate crimes turn out to be bogus and created like Jesse Smollett and blacks commit hate crimes regularly but of course your press doesnt report that. They have mastered ignoring any and all news that isnt flattering to the left.

Please cite all of the false cases you can find. Far right terrorism vastly outnumbers far left even when accounting for islamic terrorism as a separate category on its own.

 

[bomberfox]

Read that El Paso shooter's manifesto.

El paso shooter wasnt a leftist.

 

[apdst]

I predict when society force these right wing supporters back under the rocks they came from , it will be the last voice of hate that has any political clout. About These haters, our society has been able to keep them under their rocks with this country's morals and conscience for decades and they would have stayed there if they hadn't found a voice in pres Scum Bag. When he goes , this country will go back to ignoring and pretending we don't even know these haters as they are forced back to live the rest of their lives under their rocks.

What do you mean by "force"?

 

[apdst]

This from the mouth of a member of a racist group. The new goofball routine, can't argue the point that every time your God and leader opens his mouth hate and racism comes out of it. So call the other side racist and if you lie long enough it will become a fact , now who said that in the past.

Everything is "racist" to the Left. You all can't afford for racism to go away.

 

[MTAtech]

Getting back to the thread... there is no evidence that forces from "the left" are contemplating any violence should the "Stable Genius" win re-election. There wasn't any in 2016.

However, some worry that right-wingers would commit violence if he loses.

 

[jbander]

According to your presentation:

The steps that Democrats would take is responsible and continues to allow for the Second Amendment. Though a high-capacity magazine would just mean a sooner reload, I see the point of pushing the idea of responsibility in society. But ultimately, these mass shooters are generally underage kids or twenty-somethings, with no criminal record, who use weapons that were legally purchased by either their parents or themselves.

Australia gives us a very good process in terms of buy-back. The first thing gun nuts will state is that criminals won't sell their guns back, but they would be wrong on two counts. One, enough of them are poor and strapped for cash that plenty enough would. And two, these mass shootings are coming out of white middle-class homes with no criminal records so this isn't really about the "criminal."

Republicans (GOP) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have largely seen their most cherished ideologies (NeoCon, Trickle Down, Church attendance) crumble over the last fourteen years and are clinging to threads. There's a reason voters wanted Trump (a middle finger to the world) to "shake things up." They mostly meant to turn back the clock. They don't know what else to do other than project the idea that they are leading a political revolution, while still clinging to remnants of broken ideologies that have outlived their expiration dates. Donald Trump even shattered the ideology that FOX News is "fair and balanced" or that it isn't about political propaganda by declaring that it doesn't support him enough. Forget that "fair and balanced" always implied that the news was being presented though a political lens. Facts and truth shouldn't need to be balanced between people's political comfort zones.

NRA ideology is a part of this. The NRA has locked down the GOP to the point where even Donald Trump boasted not to be afraid of the NRA. Just yesterday the NRA declared that Wal-Mart's newest rules are bad for business. So even the curtains that allowed for the idea that the NRA is all about our Rights and our freedoms is finally being pulled back. So, arm everybody with a heartbeat is just more of the same "**** it all" attitude of the desperate. This is historical throughout the world. When societies see their most cherished ideas of the world come to their ends, they react negatively and start inventing enemies to blame for natural change.

That natural change your talking about is demographics as far as this right wing party is concerned , The browning of American will increase the population of people who have been **** on for decades by the right. They won't vote for them and this party should be writing it's epitaph. Now there will be a conservative voice that comes out of this but the name Republican will be to poisoned to use in the future. The conservative voice in this country is as necessary as the liberal voice in this country but this right wing turning into simply a hate group has to go. They will establish another conservative party, in fact I'll help them with my time and money to achieve that but if non stop hatred is brought back into the mix , that conservative group will have to be disposed of also.

 

[bomberfox]

I understand your argument and sentiment, but it is dishonest to suggest that violence is exclusively a leaning right problem.

Antifa, the New Black Panther Party, and there are others who subscribe to violence and intimidation.

It is hypocritical, but if the right is predicting the left will react violently to a Trump second term that may be accurate. That does not mean that right leaning extremism will all of a sudden quit being violent, just means they will not be alone in being violent.

This is the price of us vs. them, and quit pretending the most extreme of the left is all of a sudden somehow better than the most extreme of the right. Even if statistically we have plenty of evidence that the overwhelming majority of these 'events' are perpetuated by the right we cannot lose sight of all our problems with violence and hatred in this nation in a vain effort to ignore those on the left that wish for plenty of harm and in the most extreme someone losing their lives.

Categorizing these things into 'hate crime' only conversations has its own set of consequences anyway, ideological hate groups are not the only source to convince someone to take someone else's life.

It really is a hollow victory, and there are plenty in this nation that want "violence" towards some ends.

What good does diverting to bothsiderism achieve? Not it could, not it should, but what does it factually achieve? Nothing. We are still having these incidents and we know what category they fall into. It is dishonest for you to also say that the op said the problem is only right wing. Yes hate crime classifications are very useful in determining motives. You can hem and haw about both sides to pretend the threat is equal on both sides to look smart but you only show yourself to be more interested in neutrality than being factually correct.

 

[jbander]

According to your presentation:

The steps that Democrats would take is responsible and continues to allow for the Second Amendment. Though a high-capacity magazine would just mean a sooner reload, I see the point of pushing the idea of responsibility in society. But ultimately, these mass shooters are generally underage kids or twenty-somethings, with no criminal record, who use weapons that were legally purchased by either their parents or themselves.

Australia gives us a very good process in terms of buy-back. The first thing gun nuts will state is that criminals won't sell their guns back, but they would be wrong on two counts. One, enough of them are poor and strapped for cash that plenty enough would. And two, these mass shootings are coming out of white middle-class homes with no criminal records so this isn't really about the "criminal."

Republicans (GOP) are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They have largely seen their most cherished ideologies (NeoCon, Trickle Down, Church attendance) crumble over the last fourteen years and are clinging to threads. There's a reason voters wanted Trump (a middle finger to the world) to "shake things up." They mostly meant to turn back the clock. They don't know what else to do other than project the idea that they are leading a political revolution, while still clinging to remnants of broken ideologies that have outlived their expiration dates. Donald Trump even shattered the ideology that FOX News is "fair and balanced" or that it isn't about political propaganda by declaring that it doesn't support him enough. Forget that "fair and balanced" always implied that the news was being presented though a political lens. Facts and truth shouldn't need to be balanced between people's political comfort zones.

NRA ideology is a part of this. The NRA has locked down the GOP to the point where even Donald Trump boasted not to be afraid of the NRA. Just yesterday the NRA declared that Wal-Mart's newest rules are bad for business. So even the curtains that allowed for the idea that the NRA is all about our Rights and our freedoms is finally being pulled back. So, arm everybody with a heartbeat is just more of the same "**** it all" attitude of the desperate. This is historical throughout the world. When societies see their most cherished ideas of the world come to their ends, they react negatively and start inventing enemies to blame for natural change.

What I'm getting at, is every time there's a nut kills a bunch of people, we react out of emotion, banning this and limiting that. It never helps anything. In almost every single "mass shooting", it ends when the second gun gets there. Can you honestly say, that it wouldn't be better in those cases, if there was an armed citizen already there, in close proximity to the shooter? Shouldn't we try it? These nuts prefer unarmed victims. But fear not. It looks like Trump ready to cave.

 

[bomberfox]

No they are not.

Not sure how something can be constitutionally protected when it wasn’t even invented when the amendment was ratified.

The 9th amendment .

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Lets throw some facts into the basket, first since The charge of hate crimes was implemented, 2 out of every 3 hate crimes have been perpetrated by the right. So how has it progressed since their leader was voted into office. In 2018 there was 50 hate crime murders, none were done by the left, they were all done by the right. So tell us again about the threat of violence from the left. I predict now that we will get single actions done by the left, over riding, in their mind, these hate crime statistic facts. The violence is on the right and this violence is supported by their party. That's how they perceive this country, that's what they want for this country.

No 2/3 hate crimes are not committed by the “right”. That is simply a lie

 

[bomberfox]

And Nazism was leftwing socialism. In fact, that is what Nazi stands for: Socialism. The Democratic Party now is where the Nazi Party was in the early 1930s.

The dprk is totes a democratic republic!

 

[MTAtech]

El paso shooter wasnt a leftist.

Nineteen minutes before the first 911 call alerted the authorities to a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Tex., a hate-filled, anti-immigrant manifesto appeared online.

It spoke of a “Hispanic invasion of Texas.” It detailed a plan to separate America into territories by race. It warned that white people were being replaced by foreigners.
NY Times

Yeah, he must have been one of those, pro-white, anti-immigration, anti Hispanic left-wingers.

 

[jbander]

what i'm getting at, is every time there's a nut kills a bunch of people, we react out of emotion, banning this and limiting that. It never helps anything. In almost every single "mass shooting", it ends when the second gun gets there. Can you honestly say, that it wouldn't be better in those cases, if there was an armed citizen already there, in close proximity to the shooter? Shouldn't we try it? These nuts prefer unarmed victims. But fear not. It looks like trump ready to cave.

this isn"t my comment, so who ever wrote it claim it>

 

[Integrityrespec]

Here's some of the possible ways that gun violence can be controlled as offered by democrats:

1. Require all gun owners to acquire a license through the federal government. Currently, 16 states have similar laws to varying degrees.

2. Universal background checks

3. Assault weapons ban

4. Require near-universal background checks to be run by people selling more than five guns in a year and revoke the licenses of gun manufacturers and dealers that break the law.

5. Prevent people on a terrorist watch list from buying guns.

6. Ban high-capacity magazines

7. Gun buy-back program to reduce the number of guns owned by civilians, and provide a process whereby civilians can sell their privately owned firearms to the government without risk of prosecution.

Here's some of the possible ways that gun violence can be controlled as offered by republicans:

1. Arm as many people as possible over the age of 18 with guns.

First of all many of these or something very similar are already in effect but enforcement needs to be beefed up. The left needs to stop acting like laws don't exist. Also, exactly what these laws will contain is very important and that is what needs to be discussed. For instance how many rounds can a gun/rifle etc. hold? Biden made a statement that all multy round weapons be banned. Well that's everything but single shot. dumb. These rules are not going to stop criminals from getting guns, most of the guns they have are not bouth legally, as was shown on this site a few days ago. So they will still thake their weapon and go to a gun free zone and shot it up. Again Virginia Tech, 32 dead and 2 handguns used. No AR15 or AK47.

 

[jbander]

No 2/3 hate crimes are not committed by the “right”. That is simply a lie

GEE YOUR RIGHT IT ISN'T 2 OUT OF 3, IT'S 3 OUT OF 4
Gladly look at any numbers you can come up with but you opinion seems to be worthless.

 

[Lucky 1]

Well then your mistaking , your the one who has no clue , a class 3 license(look below) isn't for just owner ship it allows you to sell also, that one you got wrong. You need a CLASS 4 TO OWN A Machine gun or any weapon that's a NFA weapons designates AND OTHER THEN A WAIT TIME ,IT IS SIMPLE TO GET, you got that totally wrong and a class 4 COST 200.00 YOU HAVE NO CLUE BUDDY. AND NO YOU DON'T SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE FBI as you say .Now to top it off there really is no such thing as a class 3 license it is a FFL. Every point you made is bull****, it's as simple as that. there are many people here that know you have no clue because they do have a clue. sorry buddy no prize.

Nope ...you're still wrong!
The FFL-SOT....formerly known as a Class 3 weapons permit...requires all that I said...how do I know??? I have one!
And yes...if you are going to own class 3 weapons...those are the hoops you have to jump through.

And If you bothered to read the National Firearms act....you'd know that short of this permit......nobody can own assault weapons

Class 4??? that's bombs, military jets, dynamite, rocket launchers...that sort of thing.....

 

[OrphanSlug]

What good does diverting to bothsiderism achieve? Not it could, not it should, but what does it factually achieve? Nothing. We are still having these incidents and we know what category they fall into. It is dishonest for you to also say that the op said the problem is only right wing. Yes hate crime classifications are very useful in determining motives. You can hem and haw about both sides to pretend the threat is equal on both sides to look smart but you only show yourself to be more interested in neutrality than being factually correct.

Because it forces the conversation to be about violence, which is happening and called for by the extremes of both ideologies.

And I have no real interest in joining either of you trying to dismiss the violence your ideology agrees with just to jump on the train talking about right wing violence.

It is all a problem, and will continue to be so since so many seem to want to discount their ideologies contribution to our divisions resulting in such violence.

 

[MSgt]

That natural change your talking about is demographics as far as this right wing party is concerned , The browning of American will increase the population of people who have been **** on for decades by the right. They won't vote for them and this party should be writing it's epitaph. Now there will be a conservative voice that comes out of this but the name Republican will be to poisoned to use in the future. The conservative voice in this country is as necessary as the liberal voice in this country but this right wing turning into simply a hate group has to go. They will establish another conservative party, in fact I'll help them with my time and money to achieve that but if non stop hatred is brought back into the mix , that conservative group will have to be disposed of also.

What is truly a shame here is that this is clearly documented even within the GOP. The primary documentation, in which the GOP helped produce from conniving gerrymandering that leaves Americans without representation to Paul Ryan's Young Guns program that created the "Party of No," tells the Party that they have two options for their future. One, they either need to adjust and adapt to the growth of the American society so that they can properly represent Americans like they are supposed to, or two, they have to employ democracy-damaging tactics to cling to power in order to represent the expired past. The average Conservative is far too interested in clinging to the past, even as they destroy everything they once thought they believed in. They are led largely by myths (reference Germany's Conservatives of the 1920s and 1930s.)

You are correct. A healthy transition must be made. These people (Christian, military-supporting, and fiscal Conservatives) don't carry a man like Donald Trump around on their shoulders without having lost their identities along the FOX News path of venom, bitterness, and hatred. The DNC adjusted in the 1930s after recognizing that they were losing elections. They began representing workers and minorities, rather than seeing their votes as inferior to white votes. The GOP adjusted in the 1960s when they began representing the Christian base that stood for higher ethics and morality (and tradition) against a wave of drug-induced hippies who criticized government and went to Woodstock (Peace, bruh). Both Parties were considered "big tents" that housed Liberal Republicans and Conservative Democrats. But the Civil Rights Marches began to draw a line as liberals and conservatives shifted to either side. This was the beginning of what we see today where neither side has common ground with the other. And from Newt Gingrich on, we see the GOP largely driving this extremist bus.

I believe this has grown worse ever since a black man was elected to the White House, after NeoCons gave up on democracy in the Middle East and after the Great Recession proved Trickle Down a con game (notice that they didn't even bother with the term when it came to the recent tax-cuts which absolutely was about Trickle-Down economics). In a short period, Conservatives saw their economic ideology, impractical demands for quick democracy in the ME, the decline of church attendance, and a minority in the White House. It wasn't just that he was a Democrat. They were vicious about him being a Kenyan-born Muslim terrorist sympathizer for years and years. And with Conservative donor organizations controlling the right-wing media, hate & victimhood has largely become defining points. You see it right here on this site consistently. Most don't even bother defending Donald Trump. They would rather rage against Obama and they simply respond by proving how Conservative they are by measuring how much they hate "the left." One of the problems with this is that the center line on the spectrum has shifted so far to the right, that even Republicans who don't tow the extremist lines are called "RINOs," thereby placing the vast majority of the spectrum on "the left." You ask a Conservative to stop, think, and honestly put out what they believe in, and they would contradict Trump, and the impression that today's GOP presents, almost entirely. But they will cling to irrational objects like a wall or a gun as the epitome of who they are anymore.

 

[Indie guy]

Lets throw some facts into the basket, first since The charge of hate crimes was implemented, 2 out of every 3 hate crimes have been perpetrated by the right. So how has it progressed since their leader was voted into office. In 2018 there was 50 hate crime murders, none were done by the left, they were all done by the right. So tell us again about the threat of violence from the left. I predict now that we will get single actions done by the left, over riding, in their mind, these hate crime statistic facts. The violence is on the right and this violence is supported by their party. That's how they perceive this country, that's what they want for this country.

Maybe you're forgetting the riots that happened in parts of the USA throughout the last 50 years and none of them were instigated by conservatives or white people for that matter. The Los Angeles riots in 1992 were started by black liberals in reaction to the acquittal of police officers involved in the Rodney King matter.

I wouldn't put it past some extremists on the left to riot if Trump is re-elected. There were already quite a few violent protests after he was declared the winner in 2016.