The right is predicting that the left will react violently if Their leader wins in 2020

[Phys251]

You obviously learned wrong... Based on a banner.... You saw years ago....

Your gaslighting game is pathetically weak. Try harder with your failed strawmen. :lol:

 

[Lucky 1]

No they are not banned and don't high jack my thread.

Im sorry but you're showing your ignorance here.
the National Firearms act of 1934 explicitly bans private ownership of assault weapons by private citizens and the only way to get around that is to apply for a Class 3 federal weapons permit.

It's online. ...go read the damn thing!

 

[eohrnberger]

Arms didn’t exist when the 2nd amendment was ratified?

In fact, automatic weapons, of a type, were already invented.

The Puckle gun (also known as the Defence gun) was a crew-served, manually-operated flintlock[1] revolver patented in 1718 by James Puckle (1667–1724) a British inventor, lawyer and writer. It was one of the earliest weapons to be referred to as a "machine gun", being called such in a 1722 shipping manifest.[2]

By Photograph by Mike Peel (www.mikepeel.net)., CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=36167804

A prototype was shown in 1717 to the English Board of Ordnance, who were not impressed. At a later public trial held in 1722, a Puckle gun was able to fire 63 shots in seven minutes (approx 9 rounds per minute) in the midst of a driving rain storm.[1][8] A rate of 9 rounds per minute compared favourably to musketeers of the period, who could be expected to fire between 2 and 5 rounds per minute depending on the quality of the troops, with experienced troops expected to reliably manage 3 rounds a minute under fair conditions; it was however inferior in fire rate to earlier repeating weapons such as the Kalthoff repeater which fired up to six times faster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

The Kalthoff repeater was a type of repeating firearm that appeared in the seventeenth century and remained unmatched in its fire rate until the mid-nineteenth century. As its inventor is unknown, it is named after the Kalthoff gunsmiths who came to be associated with the design.

The Kalthoff had two magazines, one for powder and one for balls (some had a third for priming powder). A single forward-and-back motion on the trigger guard powered a mechanism that deposited a ball and load of powder in the breech and cocked the gun. Within one or two seconds, it was ready to fire again. A small carrier took the powder from the magazine to the breech, so there was no risk of an accidental ignition in the reserve. Early Kalthoff guns were wheellocks, but later they became flintlocks. Some carried six shots, but one claims in an inscription on its barrel to have thirty. A Kalthoff repeater could potentially fire at a rate of greater than 50 rounds per minute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater

 

[Fledermaus]

Your gaslighting game is pathetically weak. Try harder with your failed strawmen. :lol:

What strawman do you imagine?

The ADL states ANTIFA is a combination of leftists and anarchists. Is the ADL lying?

Most antifa come from the anarchist movement or from the far left, though since the 2016 presidential election, some people with more mainstream political backgrounds have also joined their ranks.
Who are Antifa?

 

[eohrnberger]

Two flags, one black and one red.

The black represents anarchy and the red represents communism.

It is not uncommon to see banners that talk of being ungovernable AND see the communist hammer and sickle displayed alongside each other at their gatherings.

But one thing is for sure: Antifa is no friend to Democrats or other liberals. They view them as traitors, for not being far Left ENOUGH.

"Antifa is no friend to Democrats or other liberals. They view them as traitors, for not being far Left ENOUGH."

Interesting that you make this assertion, given how the leftist media won't condemn AntiFa (Anti-First amendment thugs) and lend them their protection. In fact some elected Democrats call them 'Peaceful protesters'

So perhaps you can help clear me up on a few things.



'Peaceful protesters'

Why the Dem Media Covers Up Antifa Violence ...
[url]https://www.realclearpolitics.com › 2019/07/27 › why_the_dem_media_co...[/URL]
Jul 27, 2019 - The mainstream media has designated violent left-wing activists as a protected class, sparing them the treatment any purported right-wing ...
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'protected class'

Liberals cheer as antifa violence escalates - New York Post
New York Post › 2019/07/17 › liberals-cheer-as-antifa-violence-escalates
Jul 17, 2019 - The worst part is how prominent media figures and politicians glamorize and even promote antifa as a movement for a just cause. CNN's Chris ...
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CNN, Don Lemon objected to the use of the word “mob” to describe the same incident, declaring, “No, it’s not mob behavior. It’s people who are upset and they’re angry with the way the country is going.” Well, yes, they’re upset and angry, but Lemon was fundamentally wrong when he also said that the Constitution allows people to protest “wherever you want.”

NPR, in an article that included descriptions of death threats against Republican senators, framed the story this way: “Republicans Seize On ‘Angry Mob’ Mantra To Keep Their Midterm Base Fired Up.”
Progressive Mobs Dangerous, Even If Democrats Pretend Otherwise | National Review

So I'm not seeing any of this 'view them as traitors' you appear to have seen.

 

[Taylor]

Um - no one?

Exactly - so why is the OP listing/comparing hate crime statistics? The whole thread is one giant strawman.

 

[Taylor]

well we will start with the Pumpkin man himself, He said that in the 2018 election. The turd threatened violance if democrats didn't support him, The turd says that people will revolt if he is impeached. Trump warns evangelicals of 'violence' if GOP loses in the midterms ... ABC News finds 36 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults.

Right, no mention of "hate crimes" - so why are you comparing irrelevant statistics?

 

[VanceMack]

She should have stuck with the preferred right wing methods of melting down, including stapling tea bags to her hat, claiming Trump was an atheist Muslim Satanist from Kenya, throwing a tantrum in the media when his wife wore expensive shoes, and over how big her butt is, and so on and so forth.

All of those things would have been more dignified than that pathetic soul and the millions of idiot leftists just like her.

And wait...didnt you vote for the idiot leftist that STARTED that whole Obama is a Kenyon bull****? Of course you did.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

"Antifa is no friend to Democrats or other liberals. They view them as traitors, for not being far Left ENOUGH."

Interesting that you make this assertion, given how the leftist media won't condemn AntiFa (Anti-First amendment thugs) and lend them their protection. In fact some elected Democrats call them 'Peaceful protesters'

So perhaps you can help clear me up on a few things.



'Peaceful protesters'

Why the Dem Media Covers Up Antifa Violence ...
RealClearPolitics - Live Opinion, News, Analysis, Video and Polls › 2019/07/27 › why_the_dem_media_co...
Jul 27, 2019 - The mainstream media has designated violent left-wing activists as a protected class, sparing them the treatment any purported right-wing ...
​

'protected class'

Liberals cheer as antifa violence escalates - New York Post
New York Post › 2019/07/17 › liberals-cheer-as-antifa-violence-escalates
Jul 17, 2019 - The worst part is how prominent media figures and politicians glamorize and even promote antifa as a movement for a just cause. CNN's Chris ...
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So I'm not seeing any of this 'view them as traitors' you appear to have seen.

Well then, you're not seeing it, I've seen it and the media is not catching up to the reality that plenty of people have seen it.
One thing troubles me however...

(Anti-First amendment thugs)

Are Antifa "anti-first amendment thugs" because they won't let people march around with swastikas?
Is marching around with a swastika free speech? I suppose it is, isn't it?
What about marching around with a swastika and advocating for setting up a new set of ovens and rounding up all the niggers, faggots and jews?
Is that free speech?
How about ISIS? Is marching around with an ISIS flag considered free speech as well?
Are you willing to defend them, too...the way you're defending those very fine people with the swastikas?

Last but not least, has any of the Antifa "street theater" done ANYTHING to reduce the neo-Nazi presence in this country?
I happen to think they might be the greatest recruiting tool the Nazis could ever DREAM OF.

But hey, it's your right and prerogative to pretend that I am an Antifa supporter by way of throwing a link to a couple of op-eds that complain that the media isn't accurate WRT Antifa. I guess that makes me an Antifa supporter?

I guess, in your book, apparently :lamo

PS: Nowhere in the news clip did that lady (Haaland) ever utter the phrase: "Antifa are peaceful protesters".

 

[lpast]

Your one example doesn't come close to equal the fact that the right killed every person in 2018 that was killed in a hate crime. They were 50 for 50.You get zero points on this. And you pitiful plea to blame it on the media is a joke. Literally all media groups are owned by your people , right wing .

Just because you say its so doesnt make it so, I am not going to run around and get the stats on how many fake hate crimes were caught in 2018 or the black hate crimes on whites, its not worth the effort.

If you are uninformed enough to believe EVERY hate crime in 2018 was legitimate and only committed by repubicans, well buddy you just go ahead and keep believing it.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well then, you're not seeing it, I've seen it and the media is not catching up to the reality that plenty of people have seen it.
One thing troubles me however...

(Anti-First amendment thugs)

Are Antifa "anti-first amendment thugs" because they won't let people march around with swastikas?
Is marching around with a swastika free speech? I suppose it is, isn't it?
What about marching around with a swastika and advocating for setting up a new set of ovens and rounding up all the niggers, faggots and jews?
Is that free speech?
How about ISIS? Is marching around with an ISIS flag considered free speech as well?
Are you willing to defend them, too...the way you're defending those very fine people with the swastikas?

Last but not least, has any of the Antifa "street theater" done ANYTHING to reduce the neo-Nazi presence in this country?
I happen to think they might be the greatest recruiting tool the Nazis could ever DREAM OF.

But hey, it's your right and prerogative to pretend that I am an Antifa supporter by way of throwing a link to a couple of op-eds that complain that the media isn't accurate WRT Antifa. I guess that makes me an Antifa supporter?

I guess, in your book, apparently :lamo

PS: Nowhere in the news clip did that lady (Haaland) ever utter the phrase: "Antifa are peaceful protesters".

AntiFa is the most dangerous anti-free-speech group in America right now. They use violence as a political tool, much like the Nazi's Sturmabteilung or Brownshirts did back in those days.

How is it reasonable to claim to be Anti Fascist and then behave exactly like fascists?

Maybe I got the wrong clip.

 

[jbander]

She should have stuck with the preferred right wing methods of melting down, including stapling tea bags to her hat, claiming Trump was an atheist Muslim Satanist from Kenya, throwing a tantrum in the media when his wife wore expensive shoes, and over how big her butt is, and so on and so forth.

This is a hoot, when your God and leader is such a pile of ****, you have to go after the democrats instead of saying anything to support the unsupportable and you can't ever respond to a thread without it justifying your insanity with your boogie men who you then blame as being the real problem , you know the media the Muslims ,Mexicans the poor the old, people on welfare anything that you can use to suggest blame for your side looking like total idiots. It's not your fault because the media lies, ya they do.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

AntiFa is the most dangerous anti-free-speech group in America right now. They use violence as a political tool, much like the Nazi's Sturmabteilung or Brownshirts did back in those days.

How is it reasonable to claim to be Anti Fascist and then behave exactly like fascists?

Oh no argument there. That is why I don't support them. Together with a smattering of today's whiny college campus social justice warriors, the two groups are excellent examples of why it is so much more difficult to actually BE a member of the Left.
They are examples of what one must never do.

One must remain liberal, which means to remain OPEN to ideas. The SJW's and Antifa have gotten in the habit of exercising the very kind of fascism they claim to oppose. Both groups are AUTHORITARIAN by nature.

Antifa aren't liberals at all, they're straight up mob rule. The SJW's are "failed liberals" who don't even realize how badly they've failed.
Count on most of the campus SJW's to go very far to the Right in about a decade. There is historical documentation that proves this.

 

[jbander]

Im sorry but you're showing your ignorance here.
the National Firearms act of 1934 explicitly bans private ownership of assault weapons by private citizens and the only way to get around that is to apply for a Class 3 federal weapons permit.

It's online. ...go read the damn thing!

who's ignorant, tell me about your ban in 1934 that you can get a permit for. If you can get a permit, it's not a ban cowboy. and anyone can buy a assault weapon. Just like anyone can bye a tank, or a piece of artillery or a bazooka with the missiles to go with it. Why have a assault weapon anyway when you can buy a Machine gun 30 or 50 cal.. Sorry buddy you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[eohrnberger]

Oh no argument there. That is why I don't support them. Together with a smattering of today's whiny college campus social justice warriors, the two groups are excellent examples of why it is so much more difficult to actually BE a member of the Left.
They are examples of what one must never do.

Respect.

On that we can both agree. Along with that, White Supremacists, Neo Nazis are both cut from the same evil cloth but in different directions.

One must remain liberal, which means to remain OPEN to ideas. The SJW's and Antifa have gotten in the habit of exercising the very kind of fascism they claim to oppose. Both groups are AUTHORITARIAN by nature.

Antifa aren't liberals at all, they're straight up mob rule. The SJW's are "failed liberals" who don't even realize how badly they've failed.

Complete agreement.

Count on most of the campus SJW's to go very far to the Right in about a decade. There is historical documentation that proves this.

And that's going to be just as bad as what we have now. Why, oh why, can't the pendulum's swings to the extremes be more moderated? It'd be better for everyone.

 

[jbander]

Right, no mention of "hate crimes" - so why are you comparing irrelevant statistics?

tell me other then hate crimes what crimes does your man provoke , if the go over the hill by the turds rhetoric , it is a hate crime.

 

[jbander]

Just because you say its so doesnt make it so, I am not going to run around and get the stats on how many fake hate crimes were caught in 2018 or the black hate crimes on whites, its not worth the effort.

If you are uninformed enough to believe EVERY hate crime in 2018 was legitimate and only committed by republicans, well buddy you just go ahead and keep believing it.

When did I blame these hate crimes on republicans , what a hoot. I bet your saying it dem der dam media folks that hide hate crimes of the left. You people are such lightweights. An dat dam Antifa group thing is where all the hate crimes exist. Dat dem dare. Like start with a real conservative media group the "Business Insider" here's what they say about your ANTIFA commies file:///home/jbander/Desktop/All%20US%20extremist%20killings%20in%202018%20had%20links%20to%20right-wing%20extremism:%20report%20-%20Business%20Insider.html well dam none off dat der hate crime killings were done by da antifa peops

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

And that's going to be just as bad as what we have now. Why, oh why, can't the pendulum's swings to the extremes be more moderated? It'd be better for everyone.

Because pendulum swings like those are, in reality, just trading one kind of extreme authoritarianism for another.
My oldest brother started out in high school as a member of The Newman Club, circa 1962.
The Newman Club was a very strict conservative Catholic fellowship.
Three years later he's at American University in DC, a supporter of The Weather Underground as well as being a registered member of the Socialist Workers Party.

Then later, at the University of Maryland (he got flunked out of AU - ZERO attendance at classes) he became a member of the Students for a Democratic Society. (SDS) Fast forward ten years and suddenly he's "been saved" and he's a raging far Right guy listening to AM hate radio and by the time Obama got elected he's talking about how it's time for a coup d'etat and about "how important our militias are."
No, not the official state militias...

OUR militias? I didn't donate to them, I am not a member of them, I don't support their views and I didn't vote for them, and besides, they would probably shoot me as much as look at me, so how the Hell are they OUR militias? That's all I wanna know...but that's my brother for you.
I still love the guy but when it comes to politics, he's a kook, an Alex Jones listening, Jade Helm believing conspiracy nutter.

So...there's a living breathing example of the pendulum swing. And right alongside my brother were equally radical ultra-Lefties of his time period, like Elliot Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, Joshua Muravchik, pretty much most if not all of the old neocon core that served Bush 43. Most of them started out as starry-eyed foaming at the mouth chic campus lefty radicals, and they left that un-reality and traded it for an alternate un-reality.
They took their leftist fanaticism with them but along the way they clicked off all the righty-tighty boxes and just used the old Alinskyite agitprop tricks they learned as lefties and applied them to their new cause.

Indeed, plenty of dyed in the wool born and raised traditional conservatives (ones who never meddled with leftism in their youth) arched their eyebrows at their almost "Wilsonian" eagerness for interventionism on a global scale.
And Wolfowitz and Bolton slapped together the working prototype: Iraq.

Never mind that "neo-conservative" is a contradiction in terms. A thing cannot be "neo" AND "conservative" at the same time.
It is etymologically, linguistically and metaphorically impossible, like Orwellian Doublethink.

 

[jbander]

So no one is capable of defending their Pumpkin Man and even though almost all of the violence is in a mass majority in the realm of the right. compared to the minute numbers by the left in comparison.IT.s the the progressives that is the problem, are you people that stupid. You don't have to even work at finding numbers that make you comment bull**** , the numbers are everywhere and they all say the same thing, the violence of the right is what has to be addressed not the left.

 

[lurchadams]

ANTIFA are anarchists, aren't they? I've never understood why anarchy is called 'leftist'.

I think the reason the right-wing nuts claim that is that when Antifa shows up it's always to counter a racist rally. Racist rallies right wing nuts realize are all associated with them.

 

[apdst]

Lets throw some facts into the basket, first since The charge of hate crimes was implemented, 2 out of every 3 hate crimes have been perpetrated by the right. So how has it progressed since their leader was voted into office. In 2018 there was 50 hate crime murders, none were done by the left, they were all done by the right. So tell us again about the threat of violence from the left. I predict now that we will get single actions done by the left, over riding, in their mind, these hate crime statistic facts. The violence is on the right and this violence is supported by their party. That's how they perceive this country, that's what they want for this country.

I'm predicting a spike in the suicide rate.

 

[eohrnberger]

Because pendulum swings like those are, in reality, just trading one kind of extreme authoritarianism for another.
My oldest brother started out in high school as a member of The Newman Club, circa 1962.
The Newman Club was a very strict conservative Catholic fellowship.
Three years later he's at American University in DC, a supporter of The Weather Underground as well as being a registered member of the Socialist Workers Party.

Then later, at the University of Maryland (he got flunked out of AU - ZERO attendance at classes) he became a member of the Students for a Democratic Society. (SDS) Fast forward ten years and suddenly he's "been saved" and he's a raging far Right guy listening to AM hate radio and by the time Obama got elected he's talking about how it's time for a coup d'etat and about "how important our militias are."
No, not the official state militias...

OUR militias? I didn't donate to them, I am not a member of them, I don't support their views and I didn't vote for them, and besides, they would probably shoot me as much as look at me, so how the Hell are they OUR militias? That's all I wanna know...but that's my brother for you.
I still love the guy but when it comes to politics, he's a kook, an Alex Jones listening, Jade Helm believing conspiracy nutter.

So...there's a living breathing example of the pendulum swing. And right alongside my brother were equally radical ultra-Lefties of his time period, like Elliot Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz, Joshua Muravchik, pretty much most if not all of the old neocon core that served Bush 43. Most of them started out as starry-eyed foaming at the mouth chic campus lefty radicals, and they left that un-reality and traded it for an alternate un-reality.
They took their leftist fanaticism with them but along the way they clicked off all the righty-tighty boxes and just used the old Alinskyite agitprop tricks they learned as lefties and applied them to their new cause.

Indeed, plenty of dyed in the wool born and raised traditional conservatives (ones who never meddled with leftism in their youth) arched their eyebrows at their almost "Wilsonian" eagerness for interventionism on a global scale.
And Wolfowitz and Bolton slapped together the working prototype: Iraq.

Never mind that "neo-conservative" is a contradiction in terms. A thing cannot be "neo" AND "conservative" at the same time.
It is etymologically, linguistically and metaphorically impossible, like Orwellian Doublethink.

I wish you and your brother well and all the best. Family can be challenges at times, but family is family. You don't get to pick'em.

I hope that the nation and its core values remain intact, and aren't side tracked, through what appears to be one of the more difficult pendulum swings (probably what everyone thinks of pendulum swing they have to live through), with a minimum permanent damage to all.

 

[jbander]

I'm predicting a spike in the suicide rate.

I predict when society force these right wing supporters back under the rocks they came from , it will be the last voice of hate that has any political clout. About These haters, our society has been able to keep them under their rocks with this country's morals and conscience for decades and they would have stayed there if they hadn't found a voice in pres Scum Bag. When he goes , this country will go back to ignoring and pretending we don't even know these haters as they are forced back to live the rest of their lives under their rocks.

 

[apdst]

I predict when society force these right wing supporters back under the rocks they came from , it will be the last voice of hate that has any political clout. About These haters, our society has been able to keep them under their rocks with this country's morals and conscience for decades and they would have stayed there if they hadn't found a voice in pres Scum Bag. When he goes , this country will go back to ignoring and pretending we don't even know these haters as they are forced back to live the rest of their lives under their rocks.

Your party can't survive without "racists".

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I think the reason the right-wing nuts claim that is that when Antifa shows up it's always to counter a racist rally. Racist rallies right wing nuts realize are all associated with them.

Please step back for a moment to acknowledge the RW PC backlash at that.
I'm talking about how they're attempting to redefine the meaning of the words "racist" and "racism".

But the reason Antifa are largely anarchist is because they've always been. Today's Antifa are most closely related to the post-Wall Berlin squatter movement of the 1980's/90's. They were noted for their anarchism.
Historically, Antifaschistische Aktion was a German anti-Nazi street group.
(Well, maybe more than just a "street group")

By the way, there it is, right alongside the Antifa flag, the hammer and sickle.

The Antifa of today wish they had a connection to the old 1930's AF but they don't.
And even if they did, they've accomplished nothing in their street theater West Side Story rehearsals with the Nazis.