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The latest democratic cheat trick

Who are you listening to....apparently you did not take the time to read the articles posted. Why go down a road that opens up huge voter suppression, illegal votes, the changing of votes, throwing away ballots that do not support the harvesters party, etc., etc. Just what is wrong with showing up to vote, show and ID, finding your name on the roll, and then procede to vote in private.....is this immoral to you people, or what?

I'll do it if we can light the booth you use on fire before you enter.

Just do all the things you said.

Then go into the flaming booth.

Until you I are willing to do that I don't want to hear anything else out of you.
 
The problem is "ballot harvesting" by political operatives....why doesn't the left make a law or proposal to outlaw that process in mail in voting?.....having partisan hacks collecting votes with no supervision is ludicrous, imo. Sorry for those people in Wisconsin, hopefully come November it will not be a problem, but there needs to be something done to ensure voter integrity.


Yeah hopefully it won't be because after our last fiasco we will most likely be voting by mail...
 
If you can file taxes online, then there is literally no reason to not allow mail-in or online voting.
what do taxes have anything to do with voting? They're not related.

The only reason to be against mail-in votes, or online voting is to suppress votes
false. It does not follow.
 
what do taxes have anything to do with voting? They're not related.

They don't need to be related to be a valid point to be made on what Federal services can be streamlined either by mail or digitally. Tax returns contain a ton of personal information, and if done digitally it also provides routing numbers. Yet tax returns are almost always done virtually at this point with little to none incidents of malpractice or misconduct by the virtual services or the IRS.

false. It does not follow.

Intentionally denying methods of collecting votes is voter suppression by it's very definition.
 
The very little fraction of idiots that try to cheat elections are so minimal that they are statistically a blip.

Voting by mail will create more votes ( why trump and the cult appose it), however more votes will drown out the nefarious votes even more.
People kalled it the Kris Kobach Kommission.
Republicans are afraid of voters, period!!!
Former GOP constituency, old/older white people, turning away from epically vile Trump. They vote by mail-in.

Down-Ballot GOPs freakin.
 
They don't need to be related to be a valid point to be made on what Federal services can be streamlined either by mail or digitally. Tax returns contain a ton of personal information, and if done digitally it also provides routing numbers. Yet tax returns are almost always done virtually at this point with little to none incidents of malpractice or misconduct by the virtual services or the IRS.
and risks of that are well known Hackers use stolen password to access TurboTax tax return information - CNET

Intentionally denying methods of collecting votes is voter suppression by it's very definition.
voter fraud is also voter suppression, because it suppresses the value of legitimate votes.
 

I can't imagine missing the point this badly yet here you are. I guess I have to put this onto paper and crayon for you so here it goes:

Ever since IRS Tax Returns have been streamlined to the point they can be done digitally, has the IRS been unable to root out people doubling their tax filings, or using multiple identities for a singular return? I've done the research and I can tell you with certainty that the number is zero. Once someone files their tax return once they're SSN is flagged by the IRS and it is rejected. It's ridiculous to argue that this cannot be equally applied to voting.

voter fraud is also voter suppression, because it suppresses the value of legitimate votes.

There's been so few cases of reported voter fraud in the United States it's virtually a non-issue. There is nothing more immediately safer about cramming people into voting booths than there is of providing the convenience of voting digitally. Your reactionary propaganda has no logical legs to stand on.
 
It is an interview with the Republican head of the commission that you made an unsourced claim about. Who are you going to believe, the head of the commission that you quoted, or the unsourced spew that you posted?

OMG, You just can't read or refuse to do so.

Right from the report.

1. Absentee Voting: Absentee voting rates vary dramatically across states, depending on the
ease with which individuals can cast an absentee ballot in a state. Nationally, 80.1 percent of
absentee ballots transmitted to voters were returned, and most states reported that over 90
percent of absentee ballots “returned and submitted for counting” were ultimately counted in
the 2016 General Election.

2, Military and Overseas Voting: Members of the uniformed services and their dependents, as
well as civilians living overseas, receive special protections voting under the Uniformed and
Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA). In 2016, 930,156 UOCAVA ballots were
transmitted and 68.1 percent of these ballots were returned.

3. Provisional Voting: There were 2.5 million provisional ballots cast in 2016, with nearly half of
those ballots cast in California. Of the provisional ballots cast, 71 percent were counted either
partially or in full.

4, Approximately 80.1 percent of absentee ballots that were transmitted to voters were returned
and processed, with 1.4 percent of transmitted ballots returned as undeliverable and 2
percent reported as spoiled

5. The most common reasons
for rejection in 2016 were missing the deadline, the signature on the ballot not matching the
signature on the state’s records, and the ballot not having a signature. Some of the categories
include several reasons for ballot rejection

6. The category labeled as “Other” encompasses
additional reasons not listed in the EAVS questionnaire, and included responses such as the
ballot was not properly notarized, the voter had already cast an absentee ballot, or there was
incomplete information on the ballot envelope. In 2016, there were seven states that did not
report the reasons why absentee ballots are rejected, which leaves an incomplete picture of
why those ballots were not counted.

Rejected (total) 1.0%
Non-matching signature 27.5%
Ballot not received on time/missed deadline 23.1%
No voter signature 20.0%
“Other” reason given 14.8%
Uncategorized 5.7%
No witness signature 3.0%
Problem with return materials
(e.g., ballot missing from envelope) 1.9%
Voter deceased 1.5%
Voter voted in person 1.3%
First-time voter without proper identification 1.1%

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/2016_EAVS_Comprehensive_Report.pdf
 
OMG, You just can't read or refuse to do so.

Right from the report.

1. Absentee Voting: Absentee voting rates vary dramatically across states, depending on the
ease with which individuals can cast an absentee ballot in a state. Nationally, 80.1 percent of
absentee ballots transmitted to voters were returned, and most states reported that over 90
percent of absentee ballots “returned and submitted for counting” were ultimately counted in
the 2016 General Election.

2, Military and Overseas Voting: Members of the uniformed services and their dependents, as
well as civilians living overseas, receive special protections voting under the Uniformed and
Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act (UOCAVA). In 2016, 930,156 UOCAVA ballots were
transmitted and 68.1 percent of these ballots were returned.

3. Provisional Voting: There were 2.5 million provisional ballots cast in 2016, with nearly half of
those ballots cast in California. Of the provisional ballots cast, 71 percent were counted either
partially or in full.

4, Approximately 80.1 percent of absentee ballots that were transmitted to voters were returned
and processed, with 1.4 percent of transmitted ballots returned as undeliverable and 2
percent reported as spoiled

5. The most common reasons
for rejection in 2016 were missing the deadline, the signature on the ballot not matching the
signature on the state’s records, and the ballot not having a signature. Some of the categories
include several reasons for ballot rejection

6. The category labeled as “Other” encompasses
additional reasons not listed in the EAVS questionnaire, and included responses such as the
ballot was not properly notarized, the voter had already cast an absentee ballot, or there was
incomplete information on the ballot envelope. In 2016, there were seven states that did not
report the reasons why absentee ballots are rejected, which leaves an incomplete picture of
why those ballots were not counted.

Rejected (total) 1.0%
Non-matching signature 27.5%
Ballot not received on time/missed deadline 23.1%
No voter signature 20.0%
“Other” reason given 14.8%
Uncategorized 5.7%
No witness signature 3.0%
Problem with return materials
(e.g., ballot missing from envelope) 1.9%
Voter deceased 1.5%
Voter voted in person 1.3%
First-time voter without proper identification 1.1%

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/2016_EAVS_Comprehensive_Report.pdf

Wait so only 1% of mail-in ballots are rejected?
 
Don't know the history of ballot counting and harvesting

But the thing that tells me it is very bad...more than probably anything is

The RS don't like it


The D's do


All u need to know...

Unusual to see someone admit that they literally can’t think for themselves. Good on you, we need more of this kind of honesty around here.
 
I'm from Colorado:

Colorado is one of just five states that sends a ballot to every registered voter by mail, and if the success of our elections is any proof, Trump’s assertions don’t have much merit.

First is the ability to maintain accurate mailing lists. To do that, addresses are regularly updated using information from both the National Change of Address database and the Colorado Department of Revenue

The second important security measure is the ability to cross-check voters’ John Hancocks. Before you submit your ballot, you must sign the back of it. After being collected from the ballot box, a team of bipartisan election judges appointed by county clerks compare those squiggly lines to the signature listed under your name in the state’s voting database

Colorado Mail-in Voting Is Secure, Increases Voter Turnout

That's how it's done right, we have high voter participation and little fraud.
 
Of course it is not a new thing.....most registered voters can request a ballot be mailed to them, stating they will be either out of town or the country, not being able to vote at home on election day. The problem arises in states mailing ballots out to non registered voters, voters who have moved, illegal aliens, in other words, the voter rolls are not up to date, and this is where the crooks come in....and by using ballot harvesting it is even worse.

I dunno, I always believed we are the "United States", "One nation under God", "We the People". If mail-in voting is good for one it should be good for all.

Trump claims wide spread problems with mail-in voting. Ok, fix it. "Art of the deal", "stable genius", "master of all"

Evidence does not support trump's claims against mail-in voting, but if he believes tweaking is needed, let's hear his plan to fix it.

Let's see, most of my adult life, I have heard and I subscribe to: Stop bitching and do something about it.

The President of the U.S. votes by mail, why? He spends enough time in Florida golfing.

Typical Trump-

Bitching about Governors opening up, but trump offers no plan opening, no plan economy other than admitting his plan: Governors opening up. What's next Donald on jobs, economy?

Bitching about mail-in voting, no plan

donald stop bitching like a child and lead
 
Jeesh, I am not saying to do away with mail in ballots....they have their place for those who will not be in town to vote on election day....this is perfectly fine. The problem comes in when either party uses political operatives to collect ballots.....this is far too shady....can't you see that or has the left totally blinded your good senses?

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth here. Either mail-in OK or not.

Your saying mail-in is ok and then your saying it's shady, which is it?

So the mail-in that has it's place is miraculously not shady?
 
Mail in voting alongside with ballot harvesting....don't be fooled by these crooks. They are attempting to cheat in the 2020 election, for they cannot win without cheating. Mail in voting is fine for those overseas, away from home, etc., but for the majority of Americans this has a large history of shady dealings....don't let them lie to you.

Vote-by-Mail Makes Fraud and Errors Worse | The Heritage Foundation

Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting - WSJ

Be wary of voting by mail initiatives | TheHill


If you stand with those who gave their life, limb, and freedom to give you the right to vote, please contact your states Representative and Congress person and let them know you wish for your vote to be validated, proofed, and assured to be counted correctly.

Election time is nearing so it must be time to break out the voter fraud thing again. Time after time voter fraud is debunked and time after time republicans claim voter fraud. At least in the mid terms they did get it right in north carolina, unfortunately it was republicans doing the voter fraud.
 
Mail in voting alongside with ballot harvesting....don't be fooled by these crooks. They are attempting to cheat in the 2020 election, for they cannot win without cheating. Mail in voting is fine for those overseas, away from home, etc., but for the majority of Americans this has a large history of shady dealings....don't let them lie to you.

Vote-by-Mail Makes Fraud and Errors Worse | The Heritage Foundation

Heed Jimmy Carter on the Danger of Mail-In Voting - WSJ

Be wary of voting by mail initiatives | TheHill


If you stand with those who gave their life, limb, and freedom to give you the right to vote, please contact your states Representative and Congress person and let them know you wish for your vote to be validated, proofed, and assured to be counted correctly.

Amazing how many close elections, Democrats always seem to find boxes of uncounted ballots.
 
I don't believe it.

Well thats some solid ostrich head in the sand evidence right there. If dayton doesnt want to believe it, then it must not be true. Take your bs gaslighting somewhere else. It wont work here.
 
Well thats some solid ostrich head in the sand evidence right there. If dayton doesnt want to believe it, then it must not be true. Take your bs gaslighting somewhere else. It wont work here.

For one thing it would be unconstitutional. Because all voters don't have a mailing address.
 
If you can file taxes online, then there is literally no reason to not allow mail-in or online voting. The only reason to be against mail-in votes, or online voting is to suppress votes.


Filing taxes are immediately cross referenced through SS#/name/address.

Sending out ballots has no cross references.

Questions of voter fraud after man finds 83 ballots shipped to single address | Daily Mail Online

"244 counties exceeding 100% voter registration, another 279 counties across 31 states exhibit implausibly high registration rates of 95 to 99 percent."
244 Counties Have More Registered Voters than Live AdultsPublic Interest Legal Foundation

Jerry Nadler 2004: “Paper ballots are extremely susceptible to fraud...I can show you experience which would make your head spin.”
 
For one thing it would be unconstitutional. Because all voters don't have a mailing address.

Several states have all mail in voting and its been that way for years. So i suggest you get busy suing them. Unless you just want to continue believing they dont exist.
 
The very little fraction of idiots that try to cheat elections are so minimal that they are statistically a blip.

Voting by mail will create more votes ( why trump and the cult appose it), however more votes will drown out the nefarious votes even more.

Republicans are afraid of voters, period!!!


Absolutely false on all counts. Republicans want ALL registered voters to place their vote.....they simply do not want fraudulent votes. Don't quite understand why some do not want free and fair elections. The "voter suppression" narrative being pushed by the left is a farce, a lie, and a way to cover up their plans of nationwide "ballot harvesting".....don't be blind.
 
I dunno, I always believed we are the "United States", "One nation under God", "We the People". If mail-in voting is good for one it should be good for all.

Trump claims wide spread problems with mail-in voting. Ok, fix it. "Art of the deal", "stable genius", "master of all"

Evidence does not support trump's claims against mail-in voting, but if he believes tweaking is needed, let's hear his plan to fix it.

Let's see, most of my adult life, I have heard and I subscribe to: Stop bitching and do something about it.

The President of the U.S. votes by mail, why? He spends enough time in Florida golfing.

Typical Trump-

Bitching about Governors opening up, but trump offers no plan opening, no plan economy other than admitting his plan: Governors opening up. What's next Donald on jobs, economy?

Bitching about mail-in voting, no plan

donald stop bitching like a child and lead


The problem is in using operatives to collect ballots....Pelosi and the democrats want this to be done nationwide, as they do in California. Using a pandemic to gain advantage in elections is pitiful, lowlife, and pathetic. You should be asking your leaders why they want to change the election laws in this country....why?....why do they want to federalize our votes???
 
Its OK...the voting problem has been resolved and leftists have endorsed it. Just wear your masks to go vote. "Masks work!" And since "masks work" there is no more excuses for them to continue to try to push their mail order election fraud.
 
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