The human body can heal itself.

[Questerr]

first you need to find some facts. where are they?

we can wait.



we think God is more Credible than your lack of facts.


April 8 has more facts than the Evolutionist does.


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You think something for which there is zero objectively verifiable information is more credible than objectively verified scientific data, and that says everything about you.

 

[BabaVoss]

Human biology has some amazing healing capability, but it is far from perfect.

 

[Revelation]

You think something for which there is zero objectively verifiable information is more credible than objectively verified scientific data, and that says everything about you.

yes.

more credible than objectively verified scientific data, and that says everything about you.

it does. we can see that the 'verified scientific data' you claim is Smoke Screen


blessings, april 8 is no Smoke Screen

 

[Questerr]

yes.



it does. we can see that the 'verified scientific data' you claim is Smoke Screen


blessings, april 8 is no Smoke Screen

Looks like you’ve abandoned hedging your bets and saying “it might happen”.

Science has literal mountains of verified data on evolution.

 

[Revelation]

Looks like you’ve abandoned hedging your bets and saying “it might happen”.

it might.

Science has literal mountains of verified data on evolution.

mountains? haven't found a moe hill yet.

your eyes better than mine.


April 8 is our Mountain.

 

[Questerr]

it might.



mountains? haven't found a moe hill yet.

your eyes better than mine.


April 8 is our Mountain.

It might but at the same time it’s “no smokescreen”? Is it “no smokescreen” or “maybe a smokescreen”?

You read bullshit creationist websites instead of reading any actual scientific research. You have deliberately buried your head in the sand and wonder why you can’t see the sky.

 

[Overitall]

it might.



mountains? haven't found a moe hill yet.

your eyes better than mine.


April 8 is our Mountain.

They have only mountains of guessing about data's conclusions. Facts are facts that require evaluation. Theories regarding the facts are postulated. Theories are evolutionists best guesses. They've been proven wrong when new data was discovered, but they rarely want to discuss being wrong.

 

[Overitall]

It might but at the same time it’s “no smokescreen”? Is it “no smokescreen” or “maybe a smokescreen”?

You read bullshit creationist websites instead of reading any actual scientific research. You have deliberately buried your head in the sand and wonder why you can’t see the sky.

You're attacking the character of @Revelation leaving untouched his points..

 

[Questerr]

You're attacking the character of @Revelation leaving untouched his points..

I directly attacked his points when I showed why he hasn’t seen any of the scientifically verified evidence for evolution. He only reads lying creationist websites like Answers in Genesis.

Are you going to address the fact that you lied about the content of your own link? It directly contradicts your claim that theories are “guesses” and that scientists don’t have any facts.

 

[Questerr]

They have only mountains of guessing about data's conclusions. Facts are facts that require evaluation. Theories regarding the facts are postulated. Theories are evolutionists best guesses. They've been proven wrong when new data was discovered, but they rarely want to discuss being wrong.

Theories are not guesses. Your own link confirms that. Why are you lying?

 

[devildavid]

Is a Theory the Same as a Fact? | Ask A Biologist

When Does a Theory Become a Fact? If you want the short answer… You’re asking the wrong question: theories never become facts! Instead, scientific theories are created from large collections of facts. Theories such as gravity, natural selection, evolution, and global warming aren’t random...

askabiologist.asu.edu

Like I said: scientists have guesses (based on facts). The fact that many guesses have been offered regarding evolution attest to that single fact - evolutionists guess.

Theories are not considered guesses in science. They are explanations backed by verifiable facts. Nothing is a guess in a scientific theory. If it were, it would not be considered a scientific theory. Evolution as a general theory is backed by verifiable facts. The only things uncertain are the details of how it happened and happens, not that it doesn’t happen at all. Evolution factually happened and still happens and it is not a guess in science.

 

[devildavid]

They have only mountains of guessing about data's conclusions. Facts are facts that require evaluation. Theories regarding the facts are postulated. Theories are evolutionists best guesses. They've been proven wrong when new data was discovered, but they rarely want to discuss being wrong.

They are not guesses at all. Facts do not support guesses. Evolutionary theory has never been proven wrong.

 

[trixare4kids]

You're attacking the character of @Revelation leaving untouched his points..

Indeed. How did we get so far off from the actual thread topic?

Attempting to help with this.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 4:22-37 - New International Version

For the man who was miraculously healed was over forty years old. The Believers Pray - On their release, Peter and John went back to their own people and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God...

www.biblegateway.com

22 For the man who was miraculously healed was over forty years old.

The Believers Pray​

23 On their release, Peter and John went back to their own people and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heavens and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. 25 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David:
“‘Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord
and against his anointed one.[a]’[b]
27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. 29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
31 After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.

The Believers Share Their Possessions​

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.
36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles’ feet.
Read full chapter

Footnotes​

1. Acts 4:26 That is, Messiah or Christ
2. Acts 4:26 Psalm 2:1,2

 

[devildavid]

Explained? I saw no explanation; just opinions. Opinions that are very short on refuting my point that the human body heals itself and unless mankind, in its infancy, had a fully functioning immune system it most likely would be extinct.

You have no statistical evidence to back your opinion on human beings and disease. Your opinion is baseless.

 

[Questerr]

Theories are not considered guesses in science. They are explanations backed by verifiable facts. Nothing is a guess in a scientific theory. If it were, it would not be considered a scientific theory. Evolution as a general theory is backed by verifiable facts. The only things uncertain are the details of how it happened and happens, not that it doesn’t happen at all. Evolution factually happened and still happens and it is not a guess in science.

His own link says scientific theories aren’t guesses. It’s literally two sentences after the one he quoted and reinforced later in the article.

@Overitall is not interested in honest debate on this topic or learning about science. He’s trying to find a “gotcha” that supports creationism but he doesn’t get that even this is a PRATT: Point Refuted A Thousand Times.

 

[Gordy327]

His own link says scientific theories aren’t guesses. It’s literally two sentences after the one he quoted and reinforced later in the article.

@Overitall is not interested in honest debate on this topic or learning about science. He’s trying to find a “gotcha” that supports creationism but he doesn’t get that even this is a PRATT: Point Refuted A Thousand Times.

He doesn't even understand what constitutes valid evidence. In his mind, all evidence is the same, including anecdotal or circumstantial.

 

[Overitall]

His own link says scientific theories aren’t guesses. It’s literally two sentences after the one he quoted and reinforced later in the article.

@Overitall is not interested in honest debate on this topic or learning about science. He’s trying to find a “gotcha” that supports creationism but he doesn’t get that even this is a PRATT: Point Refuted A Thousand Times.

The sentence said RANDOM guesses. That leaves it open to EDUCATED guesses.

 

[Questerr]

The sentence said RANDOM guesses. That leaves it open to EDUCATED guesses.

They aren’t guesses at all. Read further into the document. Scientific theories are not the same as the colloquial usage of the term. A scientific theory is an explanatory framework. It is not a “guess” in any way.

And notably, that explanatory framework has predictive capability. Models based on the Theory of Evolution are used literally every single day to do things like find oil.

But that doesn’t fit your predetermined position that Creationism must be true and your goal to cherry pick evidence and arguments that support it.

 

[Overitall]

You have no statistical evidence to back your opinion on human beings and disease. Your opinion is baseless.

I have the historical record of the almost extinction of the Aztecs. Their sheer population saved them. A much smaller population would have been enough to wipe them out. Thus extrapolating from that, earlier populations of human beings would have had a rougher time surviving a major disease hitting the smaller group of people.

 

[Overitall]

Indeed. How did we get so far off from the actual thread topic?

Attempting to help with this.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 4:22-37 - New International Version

For the man who was miraculously healed was over forty years old. The Believers Pray - On their release, Peter and John went back to their own people and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God...

www.biblegateway.com

Thanks @trixare4kids . Miracles, as you are a receiver of such tells you, are still happening today. They are simply dismissed by saying there are natural explanations for them. Of course there are (I've explained how before). God works with natural laws to bring to pass healings, but since the body heals itself His intervention is always a gift, dependent on the person's believing because of the free will element. If you read the records of healing in the Bible you'll see the prime element involved is believing. The only exception is with children who fall under the umbrella of their parents belief.

 

[Questerr]

Thanks @trixare4kids . Miracles, as you are a receiver of such tells you, are still happening today. They are simply dismissed by saying there are natural explanations for them. Of course there are (I've explained how before). God works with natural laws to bring to pass healings, but since the body heals itself His intervention is always a gift, dependent on the person's believing because of the free will element. If you read the records of healing in the Bible you'll see the prime element involved is believing. The only exception is with children who fall under the umbrella of their parents belief.

So there is no functional difference between god existing and god not existing.

Intercessory prayer has been tested. You know what those tests found? Intercessory prayer only has an effect when the person in question knows they are being prayed for. Which means it falls under the Placebo Effect.

 

[Gordy327]

Thanks @trixare4kids . Miracles, as you are a receiver of such tells you, are still happening today. They are simply dismissed by saying there are natural explanations for them. Of course there are (I've explained how before). God works with natural laws to bring to pass healings, but since the body heals itself His intervention is always a gift, dependent on the person's believing because of the free will element. If you read the records of healing in the Bible you'll see the prime element involved is believing. The only exception is with children who fall under the umbrella of their parents belief.

Belief does not equal fact. And citing the bible to prove the Bible is circular logic. There is no objective evidence establishing miracles, tangible efficacy of prayer, or whatever religious nonsense gets practiced. Placebos indeed.

 

[Overitall]

Belief does not equal fact.

Please stop with the straw man statements. I'm aware that belief doesn't equal facts anymore than your opinions do.

And citing the bible to prove the Bible is circular logic.

You've latched onto a talking point. It's lame.

There is no objective evidence establishing miracles, tangible efficacy of prayer, or whatever religious nonsense gets practiced. Placebos indeed.

Sure there are. You've just refused to consider them.

 

[Gordy327]

Please stop with the straw man statements. I'm aware that belief doesn't equal facts anymore than your opinions do.

You're the one stating belief is required, as if it's an effective or necessary component.

You've latched onto a talking point. It's lame.

I simply stated a fact.

Sure there are. You've just refused to consider them.

And what would that be? Be specific!

 

[Overitall]

You're the one stating belief is required, as if it's an effective or necessary component.
I simply stated a fact.

And what would that be? Be specific!

Just recently @trixare4kids shared a miracle that happened in her life. Are you claiming she lied? People in the past and many today are eyewitnesses of miracles. Do you have a good explanation for the miracles even doctors speak of?