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The gun used in Vegas might not have been an automatic!

Kobie said:
Oh for Chrissakes.

Thousands are slaughtered in the name of some imaginary sky fairy every year, all over the world, and the problem here was that this jabroni didn't believe hard enough in your chosen imaginary sky fairy?

Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here.
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I believe you are probably well stocked sir. But I will speak my mind where I like. That's what freedom of speech is about eh?
Thanks
 
Kobie said:
I don't see any "progressives" lobbying for less stringent DUI laws.
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That would be known as a straw man eh? My point was pushing for more stringent DUI laws.

And the Progressive hypocrisy when comparing the outrage of gun deaths to DUI deaths.
Literally 10's of thousands killed each year by DUI drivers, and you don't see Progressives in Congress pushing new DUI bills through enhancing penalties.
 
independentusa said:
https://www.galatiinternational.com/bmf-trigger-activator-1022-22-rifle-rapid-fire-crank.html

I was watching one of the talking heads on TV and caught something interesting when they were talking about the kind of gun used in the shooting in Las Vegas. Apparently you can make a semiautomatic shoot as fast as an automatic in several ways. the most interesting requires the use of a tripod. You attach the weapon to the tripod and add a crank to the weapons trigger. It looks like a crank handle attached to the trigger guard that has a wheel with several knobs on it. It looked like there were four of those. Every time you cranked the wheel the knobs would push the trigger firing the gun up to four times every time you cranked the wheel. The gun would fire as fast as most automatics. The reason I mention this is a also heard that the shooter had two guns set up on tripods. It is interesting how gun makers and those who make attachments for weapons are only interested in sales. The use of this crank makes the weapon useless for hunting or for self protection, so the only reason is for killing people on a mass scale.
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No "gun maker" makes trigger cranks. yahoos on the internet make then in a machine shop and sell them for 30 bucks.
 
Cable said:
That would be known as a straw man eh? My point was pushing for more stringent DUI laws.

And the Progressive hypocrisy when comparing the outrage of gun deaths to DUI deaths.
Literally 10's of thousands killed each year by DUI drivers, and you don't see Progressives in Congress pushing new DUI bills through enhancing penalties.
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I'll take a crack at it.... More progressives drink than shoot guns. Therefore they have the same "aww, shucks" attitude about drinking related deaths as gun rights advocates have about gun related deaths. Me, I'm a fan of both drinking and guns, and I think that we should try our hardest to get a handle on the deaths that take place as a result of both of my fun activities, before both of them get taken away...or more needless deaths happen. You can still enjoy your rights while being responsible about them, as is demonstrated by the majority of gun owners and drinkers.
 
independentusa said:
https://www.galatiinternational.com/bmf-trigger-activator-1022-22-rifle-rapid-fire-crank.html

I was watching one of the talking heads on TV and caught something interesting when they were talking about the kind of gun used in the shooting in Las Vegas. Apparently you can make a semiautomatic shoot as fast as an automatic in several ways. the most interesting requires the use of a tripod. You attach the weapon to the tripod and add a crank to the weapons trigger. It looks like a crank handle attached to the trigger guard that has a wheel with several knobs on it. It looked like there were four of those. Every time you cranked the wheel the knobs would push the trigger firing the gun up to four times every time you cranked the wheel. The gun would fire as fast as most automatics. The reason I mention this is a also heard that the shooter had two guns set up on tripods. It is interesting how gun makers and those who make attachments for weapons are only interested in sales. The use of this crank makes the weapon useless for hunting or for self protection, so the only reason is for killing people on a mass scale.
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No gun manufacturer makes "trigger cranks", individuals do in machine shops and sell them for 30 bucks a pop.


Given the cadence I don't think it was a trigger crank it's far too even.
 
haymarket said:
It appears that the Vegas killer had many guns because he used many guns in that attack. While he can only use one at a time that second, he did use many over t he hour he was firing.
Also, we seem to be asking about warning signs that a person is unstable and might do something like this. I would submit that owning over forty such weapons is a warning sign.
I wonder why a review of the national gun registration records did not trigger a visit to him when we saw he had so many and the type he owned?
OH WAIT!!!!! :doh We don't have any such thing. :shock: Never mind. :roll:
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Yeah, we don't have that because the Marxists would then be able to weed folks out if their Tyranny ever reaches power.
Americans don't like that idea.
And your opinion on the meaning of owning 40 guns is just that, your opinion. There are plenty of folks who own 40 rifles like this.

What you liberals don't get is that the concept of 100% safety is a pipe dream. Look at Europe and the deaths there in the last year by folks with a mind to kill.
They are hardly hampered by current (and amazingly stringent) gun laws.

As noted in my DUI comparison, it isn't about controlling the ability to kill, it's about eliminating guns, which are the means of the People to defend themselves against all sorts of evil. There is a political evil growing out there, and they want to People disarmed.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
because one is legal and the other isn't. If this were an illegal weapon obtained illegally, then gun control is kind of moot point because he, apparently, found a way to obtain it(or...them, since he had so many) by breaking current laws on the books.
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He did break current laws. It is illegal to mow down citizens. So he showed disregard for laws.
 
Cable said:
This guy was godless. It drove him mad, obviously. As our society slips further and further a way from God this is what we see materialize in our culture.
It really is this simple.
A wicked man like this will find a way to destroy. Are you surprised? There is evil in this world.
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Although I agree with your point, I just want to remind you that America also bombed thousands or even millions of people in the middle east. However, there are only few footage of these acts.

Evil does exist my friend, actually, it is global.
 
davidgarcia said:
Although I agree with your point, I just want to remind you that America also bombed thousands or even millions of people in the middle east. However, there are only few footage of these acts.

Evil does exist my friend, actually, it is global.
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I do agree with you, at least in part I think. The U.S. certainly has no monopoly on acting good. I think we do relatively well as compared to most other global citizens, but we surely have done some wicked things as a nation.
Human nature it seems creeps into all things.
We must do our best.
My primary point is that you can't prevent all wickedness. But you can do your best. We can't ever expect perfect safety. That is just unreasonable. It's a nice dream, but it will not materialize in reality.
Those who think they can force it are to be feared most of all.
 
Cable said:
I do agree with you, at least in part I think. The U.S. certainly has no monopoly on acting good. I think we do relatively well as compared to most other global citizens, but we surely have done some wicked things as a nation.
Human nature it seems creeps into all things.
We must do our best.
My primary point is that you can't prevent all wickedness. But you can do your best. We can't ever expect perfect safety. That is just unreasonable. It's a nice dream, but it will not materialize in reality.
Those who think they can force it are to be feared most of all.
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When I heard the news, I got frustrated partially not because of the gun fires but because of the media. Although we have to admit that the gun fire is truly wicked, there is not doubt that America is still one of the top predators of the world. People cannot see this on media, but this sh** is real. People are brain washed about the insanity of a "lone wolf" when most people in this continent are ultimately corrupt.

True, evil cannot be stopped, but they too will not prevail. The best thing we can do now, just like what you said, is to be the best person for the community and let everyone know that "good" still exist.
 
I don't think the shooter was doing this, would make no sense to fire from the hip from height...but just since folks are discussing bump shots...

 
DarkWizard12 said:
The bigger question is why notifications from Gun Shops didn't trigger a visit. We have laws in the books, why weren't they enforced? Do you suggest we should we pass more laws just to enforce laws we already have?
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Which laws are you citing?

What policy do we have regarding "triggering a visit"?

What laws were not enforced?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
because one is legal and the other isn't. If this were an illegal weapon obtained illegally, then gun control is kind of moot point because he, apparently, found a way to obtain it(or...them, since he had so many) by breaking current laws on the books.
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Which demonstrates conclusively why we need to change some laws then.
 
Cable said:
Yeah, we don't have that because the Marxists would then be able to weed folks out if their Tyranny ever reaches power.
Americans don't like that idea.
And your opinion on the meaning of owning 40 guns is just that, your opinion. There are plenty of folks who own 40 rifles like this.

What you liberals don't get is that the concept of 100% safety is a pipe dream. Look at Europe and the deaths there in the last year by folks with a mind to kill.
They are hardly hampered by current (and amazingly stringent) gun laws.

As noted in my DUI comparison, it isn't about controlling the ability to kill, it's about eliminating guns, which are the means of the People to defend themselves against all sorts of evil. There is a political evil growing out there, and they want to People disarmed.
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How many people own 40 rifles like this?

We need tho stop pretending that it is ALL GUNS which are protected by the Second Amendment. They are NOT.
 
haymarket said:
It appears that the Vegas killer had many guns because he used many guns in that attack. While he can only use one at a time that second, he did use many over t he hour he was firing.

Also, we seem to be asking about warning signs that a person is unstable and might do something like this. I would submit that owning over forty such weapons is a warning sign.

I wonder why a review of the national gun registration records did not trigger a visit to him when we saw he had so many and the type he owned?

OH WAIT!!!!! :doh We don't have any such thing. :shock: Never mind. :roll:
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WOW, if that is the case, then they had better be watching Rick Harrison very closely.

He has a lot of guns and he also lives in Vegas.
 
independentusa said:
https://www.galatiinternational.com/bmf-trigger-activator-1022-22-rifle-rapid-fire-crank.html

I was watching one of the talking heads on TV and caught something interesting when they were talking about the kind of gun used in the shooting in Las Vegas. Apparently you can make a semiautomatic shoot as fast as an automatic in several ways. the most interesting requires the use of a tripod. You attach the weapon to the tripod and add a crank to the weapons trigger. It looks like a crank handle attached to the trigger guard that has a wheel with several knobs on it. It looked like there were four of those. Every time you cranked the wheel the knobs would push the trigger firing the gun up to four times every time you cranked the wheel. The gun would fire as fast as most automatics. The reason I mention this is a also heard that the shooter had two guns set up on tripods. It is interesting how gun makers and those who make attachments for weapons are only interested in sales. The use of this crank makes the weapon useless for hunting or for self protection, so the only reason is for killing people on a mass scale.
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Rapid fire legal weapons of one sort or the other have been around for years. The Gatling is a crank operated tripod mounted fast fire weapon. This is the first real incident of one being used in a mass murder.

If this shooter used bump stocks or triggers or crank fired weapons, or legally obtained automatics he has carefully planned for months. I don't know how you can stop those dedicated to killing a bunch of people. More laws won't do it. Murder is the highest punished and most prohibited crime, and 100% of mass murders involve murder.
 
Cable said:
This guy was godless. It drove him mad, obviously. As our society slips further and further a way from God this is what we see materialize in our culture.
It really is this simple.
A wicked man like this will find a way to destroy. Are you surprised? There is evil in this world.
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God directed Noah to kill all the people on earth except his immediate family and a couple other animals. The largest mass murder in history. Noah did as told. Probably not the best role models.
 
Cable said:
This is an interesting point. Even my wife said "how was he able to have all those guns?"
I don't think there is a law limiting the number of guns one can own.
What if he had 327 guns? Just saying, he can only fire one at a time. One would have been enough.
And I'm not even sure it was illegal to have them in the hotel room. That would be a hotel policy question I think.
And thousands of rounds of ammo? Same thing.

The point is, if this guy wanted to kill hundreds, there are a number of methods he might have used. Guns are one method.

The thing that boggles my mind is that there have been 28 people in the U.S. killed since this shooting by drunk drivers. Yes, 28 since yesterday. One more day and we will be near the total killed by this gunman. By the end of the week we will have killed almost 200 by drunk drivers.

Now what happens if I go out today and drink a couple too many and get pulled over? I get a ticket. My insurance goes up. Not too much else.
Will the news report I have 18 bottles of booze at home? No.

In my mind this is an epidemic. How many of those 200 folks killed a week are children? You probably can't even say. But you can say how many in Sandy Hook were killed by a gun.
Why is that?

It seems proportional to me to say if you get a DUI once, you lose your license for 5 years. If you get a second one you lose it forever. Done.
How many lives would that save?
But we are focused on gun deaths, which are eclipsed by DUI deaths in less than a week.

Progressives, help me understand.
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My son has more than 40. Hasn't felt the need to shoot up a concert as yet. I don't think quantity is the problem.
 
haymarket said:
How many people own 40 rifles like this?

We need tho stop pretending that it is ALL GUNS which are protected by the Second Amendment. They are NOT.
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:lol:


the ones protected are the ones commonly used by the military according to SCOTUS.
 
jimbo said:
God directed Noah to kill all the people on earth except his immediate family and a couple other animals. The largest mass murder in history. Noah did as told. Probably not the best role models.
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Just shows you how much atheists know about the Bible. Noah didn't kill everyone on earth but his family. Learn something today if you can.
 
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