The 1950s are coming back

[veritas1]

Yeah, but like I said, some whites can't stand it when brown skin people pass them. Based on Trump's main campaign strategy to energize his base, which is making racist attacks on brown skinned people, I would suspect they are very plentiful. Of course, that depends on if you think Trump knows his base. Well? Do you?

That's just plain stupid as I already said. Trump's campaign strategy was to put US citizens before illegal aliens. That would include ALL US citizens. The idea that Trump is out to actively harm blacks is one of the bigger lies the left has come up with out of their bag of falsehoods.

 

[veritas1]

Its gratifying to know that women aren't compelled to be married anymore if they don't want marriage.

They weren't compelled before, as you well know.

 

[veritas1]

Those who inherit fortunes apparently deserve it as well, so what's your point?

The point is that there would be no fortune, for either the heirs or the government vultures, had not someone built it up.

 

[Lursa]

They weren't compelled before, as you well know.

Societally we were and still are. Exceedingly strongly. From birth.

 

[veritas1]

“Peace aboard”?

Uh......

Korean War - Wikipedia

Vietnam kicked off in 1955, and continued to escalate throughout the rest of the decade.

Minorities were brutally abused, were unable to utilize their rights as Americans and were terrorized by groups of terrorist thugs.

So yes, the 50s were pretty ****ty for everyone except rich white dudes.

Oh wait.....those are the only people conservatives care about.

Hmm.....

Yea, there was Korea but at least it was over in three years. We were in Vietnam at least 12 years and have been tied up with Afghanistan for 18 years. BTW, because some things were bad for minorities then doesn't mean that everything was. If we had the divorce and illegitimacy rates now that we had then, minorities would be in vastly better shape financially and in just about every other way.

 

[veritas1]

Societally we were and still are. Exceedingly strongly. From birth.

An expectation is not the same as being compelled.

 

[Casper]

The things that were awful are now better but the things that were good are mostly all worse. I also was born in the 50's and grew up in the 60's so I certainly know what life was like at that time.

Then we still have work to do.

 

[Lursa]

An expectation is not the same as being compelled.

At a certain point, they can definitely overlap.

 

[Nickyjo]

That is very true, but this would be a much happier country if mother stayed at home to cook and greet the children when they returned from school. And how great for a marriage if a man could return from work and look forward to a delicious meal.

For some years, I stayed at home, picked up the kid at school and did (still do) the cooking. Wifey was at work. Worked out fine. Happy as clams.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yea, there was Korea but at least it was over in three years. We were in Vietnam at least 12 years and have been tied up with Afghanistan for 18 years. BTW, because some things were bad for minorities then doesn't mean that everything was. If we had the divorce and illegitimacy rates now that we had then, minorities would be in vastly better shape financially and in just about every other way.

"At least"

Which didn't stop hundreds of thousands of Americans from getting killed or wounded. You know, I bet it didn't feel too peaceful to them.


"Yeah, you have absolutely no rights, are terrorized with impunity by gangs of terrorist thugs including members of law enforcement, and are generally treated as if you are subhuman but hey, at least divorce rates are low!"

:roll:

What a lame excuse for a "consolation prize".

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That must have been pretty depressing!

The nuns in my grammar school assigned the book "Hiroshima" to us, as a reading project. It is a very deeply descriptive tomb of first person narratives of those on the ground, along with the explanations of what was occurring in physical & medical terms. It's a great read, even today. After reading it, I never looked at Duck & Cover the same again.

There was no way to read that book during the Cold War era, and not be instilled with fear. We are happily past that era, but only to see it replaced by terrorism. And while Americans may be more likely to experience a terrorist attack than a Cold War nuclear event, nothing stroked fear like the possibility of nuclear annihilation.

Anyway, for reference: (Wikipedia) Hiroshima (book)

Dad had the Jon Hersey book and of course I read it too. Agreed, stark and hard hitting.

 

[Chomsky]

Dad had the Jon Hersey book and of course I read it too. Agreed, stark and hard hitting.

Yeah, I had my kids read it. I can't believe my grammar school assigned it for reading at such a tender age. But then many of he nuns that taught us had endured Hitler's Europe, and were subsequently chased out of Stalin's Poland, so they were hardened and tough as nails. There was no pulling punches in this little school. These women of the cloth had been through hell and back, seeing and experiencing atrocities you and I can only imagine.

 

[SoCal]

So, I guess it doesn't matter that we threw away the good things because we also promoted civil rights. Black divorce and illegitimacy rates were a tiny fraction in 1950 of what they are now (white rates, too) and it is those things which have largely ravaged the black community. Posting pictures of Klan members doesn't help anyone now.

I realize you couldn't care less, but I can't decide if you're a proud white nationalist/racist or a nice guy who's just completely out of touch with the black community. Like the conservatives who believe blacks are confused and don't know what's best for them.

First of all claiming that civil rights were somehow the reason divorce rates went up is ludicrous. Blacks have always had lower marriage and higher divorce rates, but these are the reasons everyone's divorce rates went up;

"...Many changes in the last half century have affected marriage and divorce rates. The rise of the women’s liberation movement, the advent of the sexual revolution, and an increase in women’s labor force participation altered perceptions of gender roles within marriage during the last 50 years. Cultural norms changed in ways that decreased the aversion to being single and increased the probability of cohabitation.1 In addition, a decrease in the stigma attached to divorce and the appearance of no-fault divorce laws in many states contributed to an increase in divorce rates..."

Regardless of the reasons, do you really believe minotiries would give up their civil rights for a lower divorce rate? You say, "we threw away the good things because we also promoted civil rights". What good things were thrown out because we promoted civil rights?...

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yeah, I had my kids read it. I can't believe my grammar school assigned it for reading at such a tender age. But then many of he nuns that taught us had endured Hitler's Europe, and were subsequently chased out of Stalin's Poland, so they were hardened and tough as nails. There was no pulling punches in this little school. These women of the cloth had been through hell and back, seeing and experiencing atrocities you and I can only imagine.

Our sixth grade class was assigned "Black Like Me" and "The Ground Is Our Table".

Interestingly, we wound up living in Mansfield, TX, which was John Howard Griffin's home town.
When he published "Black Like Me" the reaction was swift. Local Klan acted WITH THE HELP OF MANSFIELD POLICE, hanging Griffin in effigy and then burning the effigy in the middle of Main Street. Griffin fled with his family to Mexico for four years due to death threats.
Eventually he returned to Mansfield and lived out the rest of his life but when he died, NO LOCAL CEMETERY would take his body except what used to be called "The Old Colored Cemetery" which was just outside the town borders.

When I asked the church which had custody of the cemetery if I could visit his grave, they got very upset and refused to talk to me.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

For some years, I stayed at home, picked up the kid at school and did (still do) the cooking. Wifey was at work. Worked out fine. Happy as clams.

Yes, during my years as a Z-1 On Call Picture Editor for Local 776 (IATSE Motion Picture Editor's Guild) I was making well over $2500 a week, which in the late 1980's was the equivalent of double that sum today, so pretty much "more money than God" for most people and my wife did not have to work either.

So tell me, conservatives, where are all the wage earners who can afford to do that today on an average working class salary?
Because back in the 1950's you did not have to make "more money than God" to do that. Almost any full time job made it possible.
What you conservatives refuse to admit is, you've used Trickle Down economics to screw the working class out of nearly everything they once had.

Trickle Down is a forty year experiment in FAILURE.

 

[SoCal]

Baloney. This is the nonsense we constantly get fed by the left. We've gone forward in some things and backward in others. To ignore that is simply putting your head in the sand. BTW, the left elites today embody the "out of sight, out of mind" mantra as much as any white person from the 50's. Feigning concern for people out of political expediency is hardly helpful to them.

Liberals promoted and passed civil rights legislation, not out of concern for people, just for political expediency? Jeez, it's amazing how starkly dark and harsh conservatives view history and their fellow citizens.

For the sake of argument lets say your accusation were true, which is moral and helpful to America and which is harmful? Giving Americans their civil rights out of political expediency or asking for and receiving help from our county's biggest foreign adversary out of political expediency?

 

[Chomsky]

Our sixth grade class was assigned "Black Like Me" and "The Ground Is Our Table".

Interestingly, we wound up living in Mansfield, TX, which was John Howard Griffin's home town.
When he published "Black Like Me" the reaction was swift. Local Klan acted WITH THE HELP OF MANSFIELD POLICE, hanging Griffin in effigy and then burning the effigy in the middle of Main Street. Griffin fled with his family to Mexico for four years due to death threats.
Eventually he returned to Mansfield and lived out the rest of his life but when he died, NO LOCAL CEMETERY would take his body except what used to be called "The Old Colored Cemetery" which was just outside the town borders.

When I asked the church which had custody of the cemetery if I could visit his grave, they got very upset and refused to talk to me.

Quite a story. Sadly I never got around to reading Black Like Me, accept for a chapter or two. As a kid growing-up in a city that was a major northern terminus for the Underground Railroad, all I ever heard from those of colour was how bad it was down south. Really bad. The murder of Emmett Till cast a long shadow for many years.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Quite a story. Sadly I never got around to reading Black Like Me, accept for a chapter or two. As a kid growing-up in a city that was a major northern terminus for the Underground Railroad, all I ever heard from those of colour was how bad it was down south. Really bad. The murder of Emmett Till cast a long shadow for many years.

Mansfield TX, as it turned out, was second only to Little Rock in terms of school segregation protests...in FAVOR OF.
I had no idea that the sleepy little town of 68 thousand souls that we moved to had such a sordid and horrifying past.

 

[Trump]

Liberals promoted and passed civil rights legislation, not out of concern for people, just for political expediency? Jeez, it's amazing how starkly dark and harsh conservatives view history and their fellow citizens.

For the sake of argument lets say your accusation were true, which is moral and helpful to America and which is harmful? Giving Americans their civil rights out of political expediency or asking for and receiving help from our county's biggest foreign adversary out of political expediency?

best you read up on history

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

 

[nekrodev]

best you read up on history

Fact Check: ‘More Republicans Voted for the Civil Rights Act as a Percentage Than Democrats Did’

maybe you should read more than just the headlines, and also maybe learn how percentages work, and learn a little about the history of our political parties

 

[Trump]

maybe you should read more than just the headlines, and also maybe learn how percentages work, and learn a little about the history of our political parties

like the creation of the KKK history?

 

[Lursa]

Dad had the Jon Hersey book and of course I read it too. Agreed, stark and hard hitting.

Added to my reading list.

Thanks to you and Chomsky.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

like the creation of the KKK history?

Democrats. Post Civil War Democrats (the Republicans were actually the liberals at the time)
Now do "Amnesia evident between 1947 and 1980" where you forget the dawn of the Civil Rights Movement (which vacuumed up all the Dems in the East, West and North) and all those Southern Democrats that all turned into Republicans.
Do you honestly think we're that stupid or are you really that ignorant?

Did you attend Prager U or Trump University, or both?

 

[nekrodev]

Democrats. Post Civil War Democrats (the Republicans were actually the liberals at the time)
Now do "Amnesia evident between 1947 and 1980" where you forget the dawn of the Civil Rights Movement (which vacuumed up all the Dems in the East, West and North) and all those Southern Democrats that all turned into Republicans.
Do you honestly think we're that stupid or are you really that ignorant?

Did you attend Prager U or Trump University, or both?

i just ignore them when they show themselves to be that ignorant or dishonest.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

i just ignore them when they show themselves to be that ignorant or dishonest.

The troll signal to noise ratio here has skyrocketed, so I find that I am no longer patient, and I am becoming less civil, which is a very bad thing here. It's like the Zombie Apocalypse, because they all spew the same weaponized alternative history. They're like automatons:

"Hitler was a left wing liberal and a socialist"
"The United States is not a democracy"
"Democrats are the real racists because they started the KKK"
"White people are being persecuted"

They lack the brains to actually come up with any original thoughts.

I keep hoping this is like one of those sci-fi movies where someone figures out how to disable communications from the mother ship and suddenly all the remote drones just go dead and crash in a ball of flames.