State Dept Official met with Christopher Steele before FBI filed FISA application

[Fenton]

I love that the topics like this from conservatives all talk about how the Dems aren't happy now that they're being investigated and stuff - but the most I've seen is that they've called it a partisan move and a waste of time and resources.

Where are all of the Democrats and liberals calling this a HOAX and WITCH HUNT and stuff? Where is the outrage from the Dems about this? I haven't seen it. They're not worried because there's nothing to be worried about. Even if the Steele dossier wasn't on the up and up, that doesn't change anything we found out in the Mueller investigation. It's not as if Nancy Pelosi or Adam Schiff or whoever was the one making the decision for the things related to this. If anything, there might be some negligent or partisan actors from the Justice Department and State Department and **** that will go down. And they should, if they committed crimes or acted unethically.

Lol ! Keep telling yourself that. Of-course they're worried.

Here's Adam Schiff's tweet from last week after Trump announced that he gave Barr the authority to declassify

" While Trump stonewalls the public from learning the truth about his obstruction of justice,

Trump and Barr conspire to weaponize law enforcement and classified information against their political enemies.

The coverup has entered a new and dangerous phase.

This is un-American. "


Here's Adam Schiff tweet from December 2016



If they have nothing to worry about ( they have SO MUCH to worry about ) then let Barr do his investigation and declassify
They've been telling us for 2 years this investigation was legitimate and legal. So this will just prove then right

There's a reason they've hit the accelerator on impeachment and holding Barr in contempt. They're worried and are desperate to change the narrative and divert attention away from this mess

It's not going to work

 

[nekrodev]

Lol ! Keep telling yourself that. Of-course they're worried.

Here's Adam Schiff's tweet from last week after Trump announced that he gave Barr the authority to declassify

" While Trump stonewalls the public from learning the truth about his obstruction of justice,

Trump and Barr conspire to weaponize law enforcement and classified information against their political enemies.

The coverup has entered a new and dangerous phase.

This is un-American. "


Here's Adam Schiff tweet from December 2016

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If they have nothing to worry about ( they have SO MUCH to worry about ) then let Barr do his investigation and declassify
They've been telling us for 2 years this investigation was legitimate and legal. So this will just prove then right

There's a reason they've hit the accelerator on impeachment and holding Barr in contempt. They're worried and are desperate to change the narrative and divert attention away from this mess

It's not going to work

What Schiff's tweet says it literally what I said. The Dems have said that it's a partisan move and an effort to distract from the findings in the Mueller investigation and the ongoing investigations into Trump. That's not outrage - that's literally the truth. Do I need to remind you what Trump's tweets about being investigated were like? lmfao

So why doesn't Fake News report this? Witch Hunt! Purposely phony reporting.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 27, 2017

...it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bull**** & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad). This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened...
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 19, 2019

“The Fake News Media is doing everything possible to stir up and anger the pols"


Trump is literally a baby and was deathly afraid of what the Mueller investigation would find because he's a ****ing moron and thought he'd done more that was illegal than he apparently actually had, but the Mueller report only focused on one thing - and there wasn't enough evidence found to do anything on conspiracy charges. However, the report - and even Barr's summary - explicitly state that it was not an exoneration AND lays out other crimes to be further investigated.

Comparatively, the Dems in Congress were operating off of the information they had - none of them had anything to do with the Steele **** or the FISA court, so even if they investigate that and find there was wrong-doing, it wouldn't be due to Congress. What you're talking about is absurd and completely unrelated.

 

[Fenton]

Yeah, and that was disclosed in the FISA application



Of course - the point of opposition research is to use in elections. That's why someone paid the money for the research. This is not a revelation, unless someone can find evidence Steele represented he was paid for some other purpose, just someone who had an interest in Trump for a weird reason having nothing to do with the upcoming POTUS election. Of course that evidence doesn't exist because he never made any such false representations. We know that in part because of what was included in the FISA application.



That they didn't vet "the allegations" (there were dozens) is a baseless allegation.



We know for example that Manafort owed $millions, reportedly well over $10 million because we have emails about Manafort wanting to use his position with Trump to get "whole" with who he owed $millions.

As to the rest, which of those allegations were relied on by the FBI for the FISA warrant, for example, with no vetting. Can you be specific? The dossier is several reports covering 30+ pages with dozens of allegations.

Lol....
The FBI knowingly used Clinton funded opposition research or the dossier that was filled with blatant inaccuracies to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the opposition candidate and campaign

Yea, no biggie at all.....:roll:


There's a reason this State Department official forwarded her concern's about Steele to the FBI. There is a reason Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told her staff to immediately cease all communications with Steele after this meeting.

Nuland even warned her staff that further communications with Steele could violate the Hatch Act.

 

[Fenton]

What Schiff's tweet says it literally what I said. The Dems have said that it's a partisan move and an effort to distract from the findings in the Mueller investigation and the ongoing investigations into Trump. That's not outrage - that's literally the truth. Do I need to remind you what Trump's tweets about being investigated were like? lmfao

So why doesn't Fake News report this? Witch Hunt! Purposely phony reporting.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 27, 2017

...it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bull**** & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad). This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened...
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 19, 2019

“The Fake News Media is doing everything possible to stir up and anger the pols"


Trump is literally a baby and was deathly afraid of what the Mueller investigation would find because he's a ****ing moron and thought he'd done more that was illegal than he apparently actually had, but the Mueller report only focused on one thing - and there wasn't enough evidence found to do anything on conspiracy charges. However, the report - and even Barr's summary - explicitly state that it was not an exoneration AND lays out other crimes to be further investigated.

Comparatively, the Dems in Congress were operating off of the information they had - none of them had anything to do with the Steele **** or the FISA court, so even if they investigate that and find there was wrong-doing, it wouldn't be due to Congress. What you're talking about is absurd and completely unrelated.

Right, the Democrats want all the focus to be on the Mueller report, which was my point. This is a blatant attempt to distract attention away from this scandal.

Schiff has spent the better part of two years pushing the ridiculous collusion and obstruction narrative and leading Hillary supporters and Trump haters around by the nose .

Sorry, Adam Schiff doesnt get to control the narrative, or tell the rest of us what we should and shouldn't be paying attention to, and not every American is gullible enough to buy into his bull ****.

Besides, Barr's investigation and declassication doesn't make the Mueller report disappear. It's still there and anyone can read it online at their convenience

 

[nekrodev]

Right, the Democrats want all the focus to be on the Mueller report, which was my point. This is a blatant attempt to distract attention away from this scandal.

Schiff has spent the better part of two years pushing the ridiculous collusion and obstruction narrative and leading Hillary supporters and Trump haters around by the nose .

Sorry, Adam Schiff doesnt get to control the narrative, or tell the rest of us what we should and shouldn't be paying attention to, and not every American is gullible enough to buy into his bull ****.

Besides, Barr's investigation and declassication doesn't make the Mueller report disappear. It's still there and anyone can read it online at their convenience

You can keep flailing around with the collusion delusion bs and the witch hunt rhetoric, but it doesn't matter - and none of this investigation will make a difference.

 

[Fenton]

You can keep flailing around with the collusion delusion bs and the witch hunt rhetoric, but it doesn't matter - and none of this investigation will make a difference.

Who's flailing ? The Mueller report is out and the investigation is OVER

Schiff, the Democrats and the media have spent the last 2 years fuelling a manufactured narrative and because of that, millions of Americans became emotionally invested in a outcome they never had any control over

The Democrats could have and should have accepted Mueller's and Barr's conclusions, but instead they've doubled down with empty threats of impeachment.
The last thing Democrats want is for Americans to move on with their lives, to come to terms with the fact that the Mueller investigation was a bust

All Adam Schiff cares about is keeping Democrat supporters enraged. People need to wake up to the fact they're being manipulated

 

[nekrodev]

The Democrats could have and should have accepted Mueller's and Barr's conclusions

you see, this is why i say you're flailing

Mueller's conclusion AND Barr's summary both state that Trump is not exonerated, although he won't be indicted for conspiracy ("collusion" is not a legal term). However, what Barr's summary left out was all the of the other **** about the obstruction cases and the actual details of the evidence for conspiracy, even though Mueller determined it wasn't enough.

The only people refusing to accept the Mueller report are conservatives.

 

[iguanaman]

Ten days before the FBI filed it's first FISA application on Carter Page, Christopher Steele met with Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec to discuss the dossier.

Kavalec documented the conversation which included her concerns over Steele's political motives, his contact with WaPo an the NYTs, the obvious inaccuracies contained within the dossier, and his " clients " need to get Steele's information out to the public prior to the 2016 election

She immediately forwarded her notes to a senior FBI official but of-course, the FBI used Steele's information anyway

Here's a link to her notes, which were made public last week
Kavalec Less Redacted Memo (58K views)


State Department official cited Seele in emails with Ohr after flagging credibility issues to FBI, docs reveal
State Department official cited Steele in emails with Ohr after flagging credibility issues to FBI, docs reveal | Fox News

" According to Kevalec's notes, Steele told her of*“a technical/human operation run out of Moscow targeting the election" and acknowledged that he wanted his allegations publicized in advance of the 2016 presidential election.

Steele also told Kevalec that*“payments to those recruited are made out of the Russian Consulate in Miami," according to Kevalec's notes. Kevalec*quickly debunked Steele's assertion, writing in her memo: “It is important to note that there is no Russian " consulate in Miami.”

No wonder why the Democrats are attacking Barr and Trump. They know what's coming

So the THIRD investigation into the same ludicrous meme is somehow going to be different than than the other 2 that came up with nothing? That sets a precedent for at least 2 more investigations into the Trump campaigns collusion with Russia to fix the election then. It's only fair.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

No wonder why the Democrats are attacking Barr and Trump. They know what's coming

No, we're still waiting for you guys to lock Hillary up.

Your assertion that the FBI sought a FISA to spy on Carter Page for the purpose of bringing Trump down is laughable. It shows your critical thinking skills are poor at best. Can you even verbalize a plausible scenario where a Carter Page conversation takes Trump down?

Remember that Carter Page lived in Moscow in the 2000's. And then there is this reality...

According to the Justice Department, Page met with, emailed with, and “provided documents to” one of the spies, Victor Podobnyy, who was posing as a diplomat in New York City while acting as an agent of Russia’s foreign-intelligence agency, known as the SVR. Page gave Podobnyy information “about the energy business” from January to June of 2013, according to the DOJ’s criminal complaint, and Podobnyy appeared to acknowledge in intercepted conversations that he was using Page as a “useful idiot” for intelligence-gathering purposes.

FBI Interest in Trump Aide Carter Page Predated Campaign - The Atlantic

Any rational person, given the evidence I posted above would admit that the FBI had legitimate reasons to investigate Carter Page and that there is almost no rational reason to believe that it was a plot to takedown Trump. But I'm pretty sure you're not a rational person.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Lol....
The FBI knowingly used Clinton funded opposition research or the dossier

Do you know what an Ad Hominem fallacy is? That it was or was not "Clinton funded" opposition research is totally irrelevant.

Moreover, you know very well that when you pay for opposition research you're paying for factual information. People don't pay opposition research to make stuff up. So the fact that the source is opposition research is totally irrelevant. The fact that the researcher was once the head of the MI6 Russia desk is relevant and adds credibility. Moreover, there is a lot of other supporting evidence regarding the Trump campaign members and their Russian involvement.

What's sickening here is that the FBI is doing their job protecting this country from a hostile foreign government's operation. But here you are attacking the FBI to defend a man who praises the head of this hostile government. Where is your patriotism?

Russians have been found making all kinds of plans to stir conflict and division in our country. Yet here you are attacking the FBI for investigating a candidate who openly praised Putin. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[GDViking]

Her notes identified a lot more than that.

For example, she noted that Steele bewas working for Orbis who was contracted by the DNC.

"Orbis undertook the investigation into the Russia/Trump connection at the behest of an institution he declined to identify that had been hacked "


That his " client " wanted his information to be made public prior to the election ( it was )

"The institution approached them based on the recommendation of Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch (specialists in economic crime, formerly of the WSJ) and is keen to see this information come to light prior to November 8"


She noted when he began contacting and leaking to media outlets

June — reporting started,” she wrote. “NYT and WP have,”

The FBI or more specifically the team running the investigation obviously ignored her concern's and never bothered to vet the dossier


If they had they would have found multiple in inaccuracies including...

1) Trump lawyer Michael Cohen traveled to Prague to meet with Russians. ( He was never in Prague )

2) Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort owed the Russians $100 million and was the “go-between” from Russian President Vladimir Putin to Trump ( Lie )

Trump adviser Carter Page met with a senior Russian businessman tied to Putin; ( Lie )

The Russians secretly communicated with Trump through a computer system ( Lie )

That is interesting how all you propagandists use the same bull**** in exactly the same wording and order.

Do you guys actually have a morning meeting before you go to your cubicles, or do you work from home and get your talking point memos by email every morning...

 

[JasperL]

Lol....
The FBI knowingly used Clinton funded opposition research or the dossier that was filled with blatant inaccuracies to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the opposition candidate and campaign

Yea, no biggie at all.....:roll:

There's a reason this State Department official forwarded her concern's about Steele to the FBI. There is a reason Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told her staff to immediately cease all communications with Steele after this meeting.

Nuland even warned her staff that further communications with Steele could violate the Hatch Act.

So you ignored every word of my comment to repeat your BS talking points.... :roll:

 

[Fenton]

So you ignored every word of my comment to repeat your BS talking points.... :roll:

If they're BS talking points then rebut them, or at least try.

 

[ashurbanipal]

If they're BS talking points then rebut them, or at least try.

I rebutted them...and you've curiously gone on to ignore my post.

 

[Fenton]

I rebutted them...and you've curiously gone on to ignore my post.

I think you're confused. Her notes weren't limited to calling attention to the dossiers inaccuracies.
She warned to FBI 10 days before they filed their first FISA application that Christopher Steele ( Orbis ) was working for the DNC, leaking to the media and intended on releasing his opo-research prior to the election.

Steele's motives were so blatantly political, that after this meeting, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told her staff to immediately cease all communications with Steele

 

[ashurbanipal]

I think you're confused. Her notes weren't limited to calling attention to the dossiers inaccuracies.

I was merely responding to your line of argument. If all you're saying is that there were inaccuracies in a casual conversation that never entered into the dossier, it's hard to figure out what your point might be. It certainly cannot be that there was some corruption in the FBI, since if the inaccuracies in question didn't make it to the dossier, the FBI cannot have missed anything in vetting the dossier. If it's just that Steele was political, see below.

She warned to FBI 10 days before they filed their first FISA application that Christopher Steele ( Orbis ) was working for the DNC, leaking to the media and intended on releasing his opo-research prior to the election.

Already answered. So what? Trump's motives in bringing up Hillary's emails were poltical. Does that mean what he said is false? That he doesn't have a point? I imagine you think not, but then, you cannot consistently think there's some problem with Steele's motives being political, either.

Steele's motives were so blatantly political, that after this meeting, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland told her staff to immediately cease all communications with Steele

Is that somewhere in your sources?

 

[Fenton]

I was merely responding to your line of argument. If all you're saying is that there were inaccuracies in a casual conversation that never entered into the dossier, it's hard to figure out what your point might be. It certainly cannot be that there was some corruption in the FBI, since if the inaccuracies in question didn't make it to the dossier, the FBI cannot have missed anything in vetting the dossier. If it's just that Steele was political, see below.



Already answered. So what? Trump's motives in bringing up Hillary's emails were poltical. Does that mean what he said is false? That he doesn't have a point? I imagine you think not, but then, you cannot consistently think there's some problem with Steele's motives being political, either.



Is that somewhere in your sources?

I'm getting tired of repeating myself. This was NOT just about glaring inaccuracies in the Steele dossier.

Steele's stunning pre-FISA confession: Informant needed to air Trump dirt before election | TheHill

" Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland says she instructed her staff to send the information they got from Steele to the bureau immediately and to cease contact with the informer because*this is about U.S. politics, and not the business of the State Department, and certainly not the business of a career employee who is subject to the Hatch Act."

 

[JasperL]

I'm getting tired of repeating myself. This was NOT just about glaring inaccuracies in the Steele dossier.

Steele's stunning pre-FISA confession: Informant needed to air Trump dirt before election | TheHill

" Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland says she instructed her staff to send the information they got from Steele to the bureau immediately and to cease contact with the informer because*this is about U.S. politics, and not the business of the State Department, and certainly not the business of a career employee who is subject to the Hatch Act."

Yes, you've cited that article many times. It treats as breaking news that Steele was doing oppo research and that the client who was paying him for opposition research has POLITICAL MOTIVES!!! Well, obviously, and FBI knew it and disclosed it in the FISA warrant, "to discredit [Trump's] campaign" is pretty clear, so can you explain to me how this is a significant development?

Even the part about the state department washing their hands of it seems kind of OK to me. It's not their job to investigate this stuff. It is FBI's job and they had been working with Steele for months prior to that meeting at state. What would be news, perhaps, is state running with this stuff instead of handing it off to FBI, but your source says state DID hand it off and wanted no part of it, so what's the problem?

 

[GDViking]

I'm getting tired of repeating myself. This was NOT just about glaring inaccuracies in the Steele dossier.

Steele's stunning pre-FISA confession: Informant needed to air Trump dirt before election | TheHill

" Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland says she instructed her staff to send the information they got from Steele to the bureau immediately and to cease contact with the informer because*this is about U.S. politics, and not the business of the State Department, and certainly not the business of a career employee who is subject to the Hatch Act."

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Someone who was hired for opposition research says his clients want it released BEFORE the election!!!

Talk about reaching for straws.

Trump knew all about everything in the dossier as he was the one doing them.

He lied about all of still denies many things he was caught flat out lying about.

On the other hand the Clinton campaign immediately turned over their information to the proper authorities, and somehow you are trying to spin it as they are the wrong doers, weak, very, very weak...

 

[Fenton]

Yes, you've cited that article many times. It treats as breaking news that Steele was doing oppo research and that the client who was paying him for opposition research has POLITICAL MOTIVES!!! Well, obviously, and FBI knew it and disclosed it in the FISA warrant, "to discredit [Trump's] campaign" is pretty clear, so can you explain to me how this is a significant development?

Even the part about the state department washing their hands of it seems kind of OK to me. It's not their job to investigate this stuff. It is FBI's job and they had been working with Steele for months prior to that meeting at state. What would be news, perhaps, is state running with this stuff instead of handing it off to FBI, but your source says state DID hand it off and wanted no part of it, so what's the problem?

First, remember Adam Schiff's rebuttal memo to Nunes's memo ?


Intel Committee Ranking Member Schiff Releases Democratic Response Memo | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

".....DOJ explained the reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.....*Senior FBI and DOJ officials have repeatedly affirmed to the Committee the reliability and credibility of Steele's reporting, an assessment also reflected in the underlying source documents. The FBI has undertaken a rigorous process to vet allegations from Steele's "

Obviously the FBI did no such thing.
It took a court order and over a year to expose that the dossier was funded by the DNC and Clinton's campaign
Fusion GPS was fighting the release of information for a good reason. Because using unverified Democrat funded oppo-research to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the opposition candidate and his campaign is about as corrupt as you can get

Also, are FISA applications and the information they contain classified ? Very

10 days days before the FBI filed for their first FISA application, they learned Steele was leaking to the media and that his client was pushing to get his oppo-research made public prior to the election.

The FBI included the dossier in a highly classified FISA application KNOWING it was going to be released before the election.


Finally, Nuland was worried about her staff violating the Hatch Act, and the State department official who met with Steele did NOT forward her concerns to the FBI because " it wasn't the State Departments job "

She was clearly warning the FBI, ( just like Bruce Ohr warned them ) that Christopher Steele's motives were political and that some of his allegations were unsubstantiated if not completely fabricated.

And the issue isn't whether or not the State department forwarded their concerns to the FBI. The issue is that the FBI IGNORED THOSE CONCERN'S.

 

[Fenton]

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Someone who was hired for opposition research says his clients want it released BEFORE the election!!!

Talk about reaching for straws.

Trump knew all about everything in the dossier as he was the one doing them.

He lied about all of still denies many things he was caught flat out lying about.

On the other hand the Clinton campaign immediately turned over their information to the proper authorities, and somehow you are trying to spin it as they are the wrong doers, weak, very, very weak...

Adam Schiff is such a dirt bag. Here's an excerpt from his rebuttal memo to Nunes's memo ...

Intel Committee Ranking Member Schiff Releases Democratic Response Memo | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
".....DOJ explained the reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.....Senior FBI and DOJ officials have repeatedly affirmed to the Committee the reliability and credibility of Steele's reporting, an assessment also reflected in the underlying source documents. The FBI has undertaken a rigorous process to vet allegations from Steele's "

:lamo The FBI did no such thing

 

[JasperL]

First, remember Adam Schiff's rebuttal memo to Nunes's memo ?


Intel Committee Ranking Member Schiff Releases Democratic Response Memo | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

".....DOJ explained the reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.....*Senior FBI and DOJ officials have repeatedly affirmed to the Committee the reliability and credibility of Steele's reporting, an assessment also reflected in the underlying source documents. The FBI has undertaken a rigorous process to vet allegations from Steele's "

Obviously the FBI did no such thing.

It took a court order and over a year to expose that the dossier was funded by the DNC and Clinton's campaign
Fusion GPS was fighting the release of information for a good reason. Because using unverified Democrat funded oppo-research to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the opposition candidate and his campaign is about as corrupt as you can get

Fusion no doubt signed a non-disclosure contract with DNC/campaign, so they were legally obligated to keep that information secret. As you recall, when DNC released them, Fusion was happy to comply with the requests.

And you'll have to explain to me why the actual payor matters. The FBI disclosed that the purpose was to discredit Trump's campaign, so whether it was paid for by DNC or the campaign or some deep pocketed (c)(4) or other pro-Hillary group, or even NeverTrumpers on the right, isn't that relevant that I can see. The relevant fact is it was opposition research, disclosed to the FISC - "discredit [Trump's] campaign."

Also, are FISA applications and the information they contain classified ? Very

10 days days before the FBI filed for their first FISA application, they learned Steele was leaking to the media and that his client was pushing to get his oppo-research made public prior to the election.

The FBI included the dossier in a highly classified FISA application KNOWING it was going to be released before the election.

They didn't include "the dossier" and if you know of specific allegations contained in the "dossier" (there were dozens) the FBI knew or should have known were false, but relied on in the FISA warrant application, list them out for us.

She was clearly warning the FBI, ( just like Bruce Ohr warned them ) that Christopher Steele's motives were political and that some of his allegations were unsubstantiated if not completely fabricated.

And the issue isn't whether or not the State department forwarded their concerns to the FBI. The issue is that the FBI IGNORED THOSE CONCERN'S.

They ignored them by disclosing the conflicts in the FISA warrant application - "to discredit [Trump's] campaign."

And if you have evidence that FBI just cut and pasted allegations in the dossier (there were dozens of allegations, only some of them presumably in the FISA application) then present it and list the allegations FBI knew or should have known were false.

The other problem is just like with every other warrant, the standard isn't "proof" but something far less, probable cause. That's why they get warrants - to investigate and find hard evidence of something suspected, like the presence of drugs or in this case that Page was conspiring in some way with foreign interests. If FBI KNOWS an allegation is true and can prove it, there is no need for a warrant. You assume FBI was operating in bad faith, but you have no evidence for that, or that 4 FISC judges and several people across two administrations were all a party to this fraud.

 

[Fenton]

Fusion no doubt signed a non-disclosure contract with DNC/campaign, so they were legally obligated to keep that information secret. As you recall, when DNC released them, Fusion was happy to comply with the requests.

The DNC didn't reveal the dossiers political origins, Perkins Coi did after the Court ruled against Fusion GPSs attempt to block the release of their financial records.

And you'll have to explain to me why the actual payor matters. The FBI disclosed that the purpose was to discredit Trump's campaign, so whether it was paid for by DNC or the campaign or some deep pocketed (c)(4) or other pro-Hillary group, or even NeverTrumpers on the right, isn't that relevant that I can see. The relevant fact is it was opposition research, disclosed to the FISC - "discredit [Trump's] campaign.".

NO ONE should have to explain to you why using DNC opposition research to spy on the opposition candidate and campaign is relevant

They didn't include "the dossier" and if you know of specific allegations contained in the "dossier" (there were dozens) the FBI knew or should have known were false, but relied on in the FISA warrant application, list them out for us. .".

So now the dossier is irrelevant ?

They ignored them by disclosing the conflicts in the FISA warrant application - "to discredit [Trump's] campaign." .".

Lol ! Yeah that's the exact same as thing as telling FISC that Hillary's campaign and the DNC funded the creation of the dossier, or telling FISC that this information was going to be leaked to the media prior to the election
Or pointing out the innacuracies the State Department noted....Lol !

The other problem is just like with every other warrant, the standard isn't "proof" but something far less, probable cause. That's why they get warrants - to investigate and find hard evidence of something suspected, like the presence of drugs or in this case that Page was conspiring in some way with foreign interests..

Jesus H man, this isn't Cuba, Venezuela or the Soviet union circa 1960.
Trump has the same 4rth amendment rights that you and I have and the Govt cannot just go on a fishing expedition in search for criminal activity that's predicated on partisan and fabricated oppo-research.

What's the old Stalin quote ? Show me the man and I'll show you the crime ?

 

[GDViking]

Adam Schiff is such a dirt bag. Here's an excerpt from his rebuttal memo to Nunes's memo ...

Intel Committee Ranking Member Schiff Releases Democratic Response Memo | Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
".....DOJ explained the reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.....Senior FBI and DOJ officials have repeatedly affirmed to the Committee the reliability and credibility of Steele's reporting, an assessment also reflected in the underlying source documents. The FBI has undertaken a rigorous process to vet allegations from Steele's "

:lamo The FBI did no such thing

They absolutely did, and continue to do so.

The dossier was presented as op research and raw data.

It was known nearly immediately that the dossier was originally contracted by an Arizona right wing "news source" then continued by the Clinton campaign. That has never been a secret.

 

[Fenton]

They absolutely did, and continue to do so.

The dossier was presented as op research and raw data.

It was known nearly immediately that the dossier was originally contracted by an Arizona right wing "news source" then continued by the Clinton campaign. That has never been a secret.

That is a long since debunked LIE

Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.w...7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?outputType=amp

Maybe if you were better informed on this issue you would understand why there needs to be investigation and why there needs to be declassification.

But obviously you're not