So I was wondering what % of Ideology we lean?

[MrWonka]

Are you just looking to finish out the year with one big strawman argument or what? When did I say that anyone was advocating anyone else be thrown in jail for not using politically correct language?

I already quoted it for you...

I don't like language policing overly PC, people

That is what police do. They throw people in jail and fine them.

When did I say that anyone should give Trump a pass on his bigotry? Just because I don't like the self-righteous assholes that walk around telling people they can't wear an Indian costume for Halloween, or throw a fit because someone used the term illegal immigrant instead of "undocumented worker", does not mean that I am a supporter of racists and bigots.

To me this isn't that much different than saying..... "just because I don't like the self-righteous assholes that walk around telling me I have to let black people sit next to be on the bus, or throw a fit because I don't want to use the term African American instead of "N!$$er," does not mean that I am a supporter of slavery.

You claim that you "think you should measure your words and not try to offend people - basically, I don't like the PC types, but I am a big proponent of common decency." Well, the reality is that "common decency" needs to continue updating itself with the times. At many points throughout history what the "common" person considered decent wasn't necessarily so, and it is so called self-righteous assholes who keep pushing us to recognize how many things we're used to being normal aren't actually all that decent at all.

 

[Marco Montana]

When the KKK, Neo-Nazi's, and general white supremacists are dancing in the streets as a result of a Trump victory it's you that needs to figure why you're incapable of recognizing the reality of his overt bigotry. When one side of a protest is made up of Nazis, there are not "some very good people on both sides."

Trump's entire campaign was brimming over with sexism, racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and homophobia. If that needs to be explained to you, then you're already to blind to bother with.

OK, I wouldn't say Islamaphobia I think all Americans are in fear of being blown up! I don't necessarily hate Muslims? I do however feel we need to make sure Citizens are safe from Radical Islam! Sexism? I mean he made some horrible comments many many many years ago.... His comments on Rosie Odonnel sure mean but Sexist?

Homophobia I don't see this anywhere especially seeing Gay / LGBT supporters at his events and him pointing them out and thanking them.

The KKK, BLM, Antifa protest attack I too like you was wondering however I did some more research and many people there were NOT part of those groups. They were neighbors in the area protesting the removal of the Statues and had no relation to the groups.

I believe thats why Trump said their were good people their also.

 

[Marco Montana]

Look no further than his most fervent supporters who seem to think that understanding how horribly wrong Nazis and Klan members are means that we liberals all have birth defects.

Not sure where you get this stuff, Hillary Clinton has pictures kissing the old grand wizard! I voted for Trump because Hillary sucked in every capacity, I do not submit to KKK, Antifa, or BLM. I am also half Cuban I too have been victim of prejudice. I do not hold all blacks, caucasians responsible for it!

 

[Marco Montana]

It's not what he has done; it is what he has not done. He has not been a vocal advocate for minorities, he has not sincerely condemned the KKK and white nationalists, his political appointees are consistently white men, when he attacks, he tends to attack blacks and women. These recent activities are all consistent with the long-term rap on Trump.

Donald Trump?s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2017 - Vox
Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here'''s What His Record Shows | Fortune
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...tv-donald-trump-racist-charlottesville-tweets
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...53b65c809eb_story.html?utm_term=.9f5bbd5eadf7
Trump's Long History of Racism - Rolling Stone

In America, we generally give people the presumption that they are not bigots. Trump's track record, however, has removed this presumption. Maybe he isn't a bigot, but by his actions, the presumption that he is not is gone and there are few actions on his part that you could point to have him worthy of the label "not a bigot".

I believe its because its Blacks and Women that attack him! Unfortunately he is unable to take the high road and feels the need to lower himself to counter punch, look no further than the Lavar Ball Dad crap! Edit: He's has twitter fights with all kinds of people Mccain, some Republican Senators, MEN!

He condemed all the groups that day, he didn't specify KKK / BLM / or ANTIFA he said there were many Bad groups their. Why is it he should single out KKK, but you have no alarm over the equally racist group BLM that were touting Kill White Police Officers? Then also tell me you agree with ANTIFA?

 

[Marco Montana]

Interesting that people lean "independent". That is not a lean, that is an affiliation. You could be "centrist" or "moderate" lean "slightly left or right", but one does not lean "independent"

Independent is also a bit of a misnomer. In fact, I dare say its a form of denial. Most independents either consistently vote Republican or vote Democratic. Very few independents actually 'swing'

5 facts about America?s political independents | Pew Research Center
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-not-very-independent/?utm_term=.35f62be21602

That all said, I appreciate the fact that labeling yourself with a particular lean means everyone else applies all of the attributes of that lean to you, true or not. I consider myself a progressive, but I do have some political views that I could espouse that might make those the lean right uncomfortable because I would be far to the right of them. I suspect some of those that claim to be conservative have some liberal views. The problem with labels is not everyone fits them to tee.

So, to those that "Lean: Independent", put on your big boy (or big girl) pants and make a real declaration.

I registered independent to stop Politicians from calling my house! lol

 

[Grand Mal]

This is why I hate the whole "Left" / "Right" binary. Most people would find they flop back and forth, depending on the issue....but it's a lot tougher to accept good ideas from "the other side" (yes, they both have them from time to time) if you include a binary political lean in how you identify.

I think that's why I've landed on "Progressive"... I know a lot of folks want to put it in the "Left" bucket, but really all it is is the willingness to look at new ideas to drive improvements. I'd rather take the best practices from both sides than have either side as a boat anchor around my ankle.

I identify as 'liberal', but that's liberal as we understand it in Canada, as opposed to the more progressive people who, politically, are probably NDP supporters.
Liberal seems to mean something different to a lot of Americans.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I'm an Independent.

But I have nothing in common with a president that attempts to delegitimatize the US IC, coddles the Russians, infers that POWs are cowards, disrespects Gold Star families, is a sexual predator and habitual liar.

I have nothing in common with a GOP that tries its damnedest to pass plainly horrible healthcare legislation and 'tax-reform legislation' that is nothing more than a huge gratuity to the wealthy that explodes the deficit.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I already quoted it for you...



That is what police do. They throw people in jail and fine them.

And by doing so you are being intellectually dishonest because anyone can tell from the context I used the term "language policing", I mean't attempting to enforce one's beliefs regarding proper speech on others. See definition 6 for the term policing:

people who seek to regulate a specified activity, practice, etc.:
the language police. Policing | Define Policing at Dictionary.com

To me this isn't that much different than saying..... "just because I don't like the self-righteous assholes that walk around telling me I have to let black people sit next to be on the bus, or throw a fit because I don't want to use the term African American instead of "N!$$er," does not mean that I am a supporter of slavery.

Frankly, that is an offensive comparison. You are equating my argument that throwing a fit because used the term "illegal immigrant" rather than "undocumented" is ridiculous and nothing more than someone looking for something to get offended about so they can feel good about themselves, to supporting segregation or using the N-word. By making such a ridiculous comparison, you are minimizing blatant examples of institutional racism. The fact is, referring to someone as an "illegal immigrant" is nothing remotely comparable to using the N-Word. Some college student buying a rice hat on a trip to Southern China because they think it looks funny on them is not even remotely comparable to segregation.

You claim that you "think you should measure your words and not try to offend people - basically, I don't like the PC types, but I am a big proponent of common decency." Well, the reality is that "common decency" needs to continue updating itself with the times. At many points throughout history what the "common" person considered decent wasn't necessarily so, and it is so called self-righteous assholes who keep pushing us to recognize how many things we're used to being normal aren't actually all that decent at all.

Let me let you in on something. The SJWs have never achieved any social justice for anyone. For example, when they called people like George Bush and Mitt Romney racists, they lost all credibility so that when Trump came along, an absolutely despicable human being that ran the most racist campaign since George Wallace, many people just dismissed them and look what we ended up with.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Oh WOW! That makes me look dumb huh lol

No it doesn’t. Most of the people reflected in that chart don’t post. Personally, I think the regular membership here averages out to be fairly moderate.

 

[Fishking]

When we all became members we chose a leaning, I wanted to see how far which way the entire forum leans? I think its tilting left! lmao

I tried to enter all the forum options but you are limited to 10 poll answers....

The options are a little strange to me. For example, Independent doesn't make sense as that is party affiliation. If not, then wouldn't it mean the same as moderate and wouldn't that also include centerist? There were also not many options for measuring the various levels of statism vs anarchy. Anyways, I think the board is probably left of center. The left has just gone so far left that about anything to the right of Mao is considered far-right. This can be seen on the national level as well. We've never had so many liberal policies and ideology in the US as we do today, but if you listen to progressives or pretty much any liberal, you'd think that Hitler is right around the corner.

 

[The Mark]

I used to be more hard-core conservative when I first joined. Not anymore. My stances are pretty moderate nowadays. I haven't changed many of them, just the party and it's base went nuts.

I used to be a conservative leaning independent who didn't like the corruption in both main parties but mostly voted republican.

Now I'm basically a progressive who thinks the democratic party is way to far right and the republicans are slightly further right.

 

[Marco Montana]

No it doesn’t. Most of the people reflected in that chart don’t post. Personally, I think the regular membership here averages out to be fairly moderate.

Dude, is that Carl Sagan in your avatar? I loved his show Billions and Billions and billions.......................

 

[Goshin]

When we all became members we chose a leaning, I wanted to see how far which way the entire forum leans? I think its tilting left! lmao


I tried to enter all the forum options but you are limited to 10 poll answers....

Most of us are antidisenflatulatarians.

 

[MrWonka]

Not sure where you get this stuff,

I just quoted one of his most fervent supporters on this very forum.

I do not submit to KKK, Antifa, or BLM.

Just out of curiosity, do you grasp which of those groups are fighting for supremacy, and which ones are fighting for the lives of the innocent?

I am also half Cuban I too have been victim of prejudice. I do not hold all blacks, caucasians responsible for it!

If your Avatar is actually a picture of you, then your appearance is that of a Caucasian, and given that you live in New Hampshire I'm willing to bet what you've supposedly faced is nothing compared to that of the average African American, woman, Arab, or homosexual living in some of the less liberal parts of the country.

The reality is Donald Trump could not have won this election without the fervent support of white supremacists. As a Cuban you're fortunate that many of them hate Communism and Castro as much as they hate black people and Mexicans. Much of the country is not so lucky.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Dude, is that Carl Sagan in your avatar? I loved his show Billions and Billions and billions.......................

That’s him.

 

[Marco Montana]

That’s him.

Hahaha

 

[camlok]

This is why I hate the whole "Left" / "Right" binary. Most people would find they flop back and forth, depending on the issue....but it's a lot tougher to accept good ideas from "the other side" (yes, they both have them from time to time) if you include a binary political lean in how you identify.

I think that's why I've landed on "Progressive"... I know a lot of folks want to put it in the "Left" bucket, but really all it is is the willingness to look at new ideas to drive improvements. I'd rather take the best practices from both sides than have either side as a boat anchor around my ankle.

The problem for conservatives is that they can never land on "Progressive" because they are totally regressive.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Hahaha

I love that video, especially while partaking of some Mary J.

 

[Peter King]

social democrat, not on the list.

 

[PoS]

I'd like to know the percentage of sane and insane people in this forum. :mrgreen:

 

[Captain Adverse]

Oh WOW! That makes me look dumb huh lol

No it doesn't.

That list shows everyone who joined and whose account is still listed, but does not reflect actual participation.

I'd say there are about 120 regularly active participants, and another 50 - 100 or so who visit a few times, or infrequently after joining.

From the tenor of recent posts, the vast majority of regular participants seem to fall Left of center, despite what they list as their actual lean.

So you don't look dumb, you are quite correct to wonder what the current crop of regular participants actual lean is.

IMO the error is in your list of options. It would have been better to list "Socialist, Progressive-Left, Moderate-Left, Center, Moderate-Right, Libertarian, Capitalist."

If you wanted the extremes you could have added Communist and Fascist at either end.

 

[Waddy]

I am a fiscal conservative but a social moderate.

 

[99percenter]

I am a conservative but I acknowledge some of the accomplishments of liberalism like civil rights, social security and medicare which conservatives and liberals support now.

 

[Nap]

I'm a Liberal in the classical sense. Libertarian or small government conservatives seem to be the closest to what I view as my ideology. I believe the government's only role should be in protecting the rights and freedom of it's citizens and the rest decided by the free market. While the government is necessary to maintain those freedoms it is also the chief abuser of them and so it's power should be restrained as much as possible.

 

[LesGovt]

https://www.debatepolitics.com/profilestats.php

It looks to me that nearly 70% do not declare whether they lean to the left or right.