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So I was wondering what % of Ideology we lean?

Which way do you lean?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 14 21.5%

  • Liberal

    Votes: 7 10.8%

  • Progressive

    Votes: 13 20.0%

  • Socialist

    Votes: 2 3.1%

  • Moderate

    Votes: 7 10.8%

  • Indpendent

    Votes: 15 23.1%

  • Centrist

    Votes: 5 7.7%

  • Communist

    Votes: 2 3.1%
  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .
Marco Montana said:
When we all became members we chose a leaning, I wanted to see how far which way the entire forum leans? I think its tilting left! lmao


I tried to enter all the forum options but you are limited to 10 poll answers....
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Seems rather evenly split to me.

I use "other" because I have some views that are clearly "right" and others that are clearly "left" by American standards. Libertarian-Left is probably the closest label, but I don't use it because I disagree strongly with some (American) libertarian ideas.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Seems rather evenly split to me.

I use "other" because I have some views that are clearly "right" and others that are clearly "left" by American standards. Libertarian-Left is probably the closest label, but I don't use it because I disagree strongly with some (American) libertarian ideas.
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Yeah. I've flirted with the libertarian label before, but I just can't call myself one.
 
MrWonka said:
No, not really. Not at this point. The Republican Party at this point is nothing more than evil and ignorance. There's really no such thing as an idea coming from them at all anymore. The two major political parties at this point in time should be Democrats and Libertarians. But so long as racist religoius extremists control the Republican party anybody voting for them or anyone that isn't a Democrat is exclusively part of the problem.
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LOL. However, I understand that your disability causes you to look at the world in a mixed up way that is not the real reality.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Which I always thought was stupid.
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In the beginning I think they want to be considered objective but after they reach a certain number of posts, they aren't fooling anyone except newbies.
 
calamity said:
Comes from living in Texas.
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What's that supposed to mean? Are you saying that Texans are too stupid to figure out who they are, and no matter how liberal they are, they just can't help having some conservative streaks because of some genetic defect unique to Texas?
 
Moderate Right said:
What's that supposed to mean? Are you saying that Texans are too stupid to figure out who they are, and no matter how liberal they are, they just can't help having some conservative streaks because of some genetic defect unique to Texas?
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If you say so.
 
Marco Montana said:
Mr Wonk, seeing your avatar may I ask what Trump has done that makes him a bigot? is it his comments on Mexicans that are drug dealers rapists? Upholding Immigration laws? Banning the same Countries Obama did from traveling here?
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Willie Wonka views the world differently.
 
I am clearly a progressive liberal. I stand for science, education, the natural environment, health care for all, pro-choice, gay rights, gun control, social safety nets and so on.

The state I was born in and continue to live in on balance thinks the same way...We enjoys some of the highest standard of living in the nation as a result....
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I still think it would be good to get a rundown of the users here who are most active and will see this poll. I don't think there are 13000 people here active on a daily basis... And apparently that's just the unaffiliated section.
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I asked the same question is a thread I started a while back almost exactly like this one.

Trouble is, so many people don't vote in polls.

You'll never get a real good idea of who is who here.
 
Marco Montana said:
Mr Wonk, seeing your avatar may I ask what Trump has done that makes him a bigot?
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When the KKK, Neo-Nazi's, and general white supremacists are dancing in the streets as a result of a Trump victory it's you that needs to figure why you're incapable of recognizing the reality of his overt bigotry. When one side of a protest is made up of Nazis, there are not "some very good people on both sides."

Trump's entire campaign was brimming over with sexism, racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, and homophobia. If that needs to be explained to you, then you're already to blind to bother with.
 
Marco Montana said:
Mr Wonk, seeing your avatar may I ask what Trump has done that makes him a bigot? is it his comments on Mexicans that are drug dealers rapists? Upholding Immigration laws? Banning the same Countries Obama did from traveling here?
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It's not what he has done; it is what he has not done. He has not been a vocal advocate for minorities, he has not sincerely condemned the KKK and white nationalists, his political appointees are consistently white men, when he attacks, he tends to attack blacks and women. These recent activities are all consistent with the long-term rap on Trump.

Donald Trump?s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2017 - Vox
Is Donald Trump a Racist? Here'''s What His Record Shows | Fortune
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...tv-donald-trump-racist-charlottesville-tweets
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...53b65c809eb_story.html?utm_term=.9f5bbd5eadf7
Trump's Long History of Racism - Rolling Stone

In America, we generally give people the presumption that they are not bigots. Trump's track record, however, has removed this presumption. Maybe he isn't a bigot, but by his actions, the presumption that he is not is gone and there are few actions on his part that you could point to have him worthy of the label "not a bigot".
 
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Moderate Right said:
liberal's brains are wired differently and that when sound goes in their ears, by the time that sound gets to their brains it has already changed from what it was originally. It's a birth defect that there is no treatment for
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Marco Montana said:
Mr Wonk, seeing your avatar may I ask what Trump has done that makes him a bigot?
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Look no further than his most fervent supporters who seem to think that understanding how horribly wrong Nazis and Klan members are means that we liberals all have birth defects.
 
MrWonka said:
Look no further than his most fervent supporters who seem to think that understanding how horribly wrong Nazis and Klan members are means that we liberals all have birth defects.
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Proof positive of what I just posted. There are a lot of short circuits in your brain that cause major confusion in your perception of reality. Your post was not even coherent.
 
Marco Montana said:
When we all became members we chose a leaning, I wanted to see how far which way the entire forum leans? I think its tilting left! lmao


I tried to enter all the forum options but you are limited to 10 poll answers....
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Interesting that people lean "independent". That is not a lean, that is an affiliation. You could be "centrist" or "moderate" lean "slightly left or right", but one does not lean "independent"

Independent is also a bit of a misnomer. In fact, I dare say its a form of denial. Most independents either consistently vote Republican or vote Democratic. Very few independents actually 'swing'

5 facts about America?s political independents | Pew Research Center
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-not-very-independent/?utm_term=.35f62be21602

That all said, I appreciate the fact that labeling yourself with a particular lean means everyone else applies all of the attributes of that lean to you, true or not. I consider myself a progressive, but I do have some political views that I could espouse that might make those the lean right uncomfortable because I would be far to the right of them. I suspect some of those that claim to be conservative have some liberal views. The problem with labels is not everyone fits them to tee.

So, to those that "Lean: Independent", put on your big boy (or big girl) pants and make a real declaration.
 
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Marco Montana said:
When we all became members we chose a leaning, I wanted to see how far which way the entire forum leans? I think its tilting left! lmao


I tried to enter all the forum options but you are limited to 10 poll answers....
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Independent isn't really a lean. Many people that identify as independent are very conservative, they just don't identify with the Republican Party label. There are hardly any true independents.

Personally, I am pretty moderate. In state and local elections I vote Republican more often than I do Democrat. In national elections, I vote Democrat more often than I vote Republican. On fiscal issues I am moderate and I am moderate on defense and foreign policy. On social issues I am pretty liberal. I am pro-gun in most cases, pro-choice (but its not an issue that I care that much about). If it was up to me, I would probably have someone like Susan Collins as our president. Back in 2012 I wrote a check to the Huntsman campaign. I am very outdoorsy and thus a huge proponent of public lands and protected wilderness. I don't like language policing overly PC people that are just looking to get offended about something, but I also think you should measure your words and not try to offend people - basically I don't like the PC types, but I am a big proponent of common decency. I cannot stand the religious right, and despise all whiners.
 
longview said:
Not really, asking questions is how we learn.
I list myself as conservative, but I am a fiscal conservative, on many social issues I am moderate.
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Same here. It's a natural consequence of being a secular conservative. Once you eject all of the religious garbage, social issues tend to be more center.
 
Moderate Right said:
Proof positive of what I just posted. There are a lot of short circuits in your brain that cause major confusion in your perception of reality. Your post was not even coherent.
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There's an old saying that in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. But people like you prove that's wrong. In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is attacked and told there's something wrong with him for being able to see things that aren't there. You assume because you can't grasp what I'm saying to you that the problem must be with me. You are very very very mistaken.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I don't like language policing overly PC people that are just looking to get offended about something, but I also think you should measure your words and not try to offend people
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Could you please cite for me an example of a person who got put in jail, or was fined by police for not using politically correct language?

What you must recognize is that there is a difference between punishing someone, and not rewarding them. Liberals aren't advocating that anybody be thrown in prison for being a jackass or even a racist, but when you're in a position of power particularly one as important as the President, it is incredibly important that you treat people with respect, particularly those for whom you preside over. ****ty racists are allowed to exist, but it is reckless and irresponsible to allow someone who can't even measure their words to have access to nuclear weapons. If you are going to go around claiming that most Mexicans comming to this country are murderers and rapists, then you're not qualified implement immigration policy that would treat them justly.

It is incredibly important for leaders and politicians to have a basic level of respect the people whom they would lead. If everytime you open your mouth you inflame half the country then it is ridiclous to assume you could pass laws that would be fair to them as well.
 
upsideguy said:
Interesting that people lean "independent". That is not a lean, that is an affiliation. You could be "centrist" or "moderate" lean "slightly left or right", but one does not lean "independent"

Independent is also a bit of a misnomer. In fact, I dare say its a form of denial. Most independents either consistently vote Republican or vote Democratic. Very few independents actually 'swing'

5 facts about America?s political independents | Pew Research Center
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-not-very-independent/?utm_term=.35f62be21602

That all said, I appreciate the fact that labeling yourself with a particular lean means everyone else applies all of the attributes of that lean to you, true or not. I consider myself a progressive, but I do have some political views that I could espouse that might make those the lean right uncomfortable because I would be far to the right of them. I suspect some of those that claim to be conservative have some liberal views. The problem with labels is not everyone fits them to tee.

So, to those that "Lean: Independent", put on your big boy (or big girl) pants and make a real declaration.
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To me an Independent or a moderate is someone who really doesn't stand for anything. They are content with watered down compromise that effectively has no teeth to it. There are right and wrong things to do, based on a set of facts or strong evidence..To act properly on them requires an educated, free society where information is available from credible sources.

Trump and the conservatives like to disparage and discredit higher education, science and the mainstream media because if people are informed they certainly will not support the likes of far right conservative politicians.
 
MrWonka said:
Could you please cite for me an example of a person who got put in jail, or was fined by police for not using politically correct language?

What you must recognize is that there is a difference between punishing someone, and not rewarding them. Liberals aren't advocating that anybody be thrown in prison for being a jackass or even a racist, but when you're in a position of power particularly one as important as the President, it is incredibly important that you treat people with respect, particularly those for whom you preside over. ****ty racists are allowed to exist, but it is reckless and irresponsible to allow someone who can't even measure their words to have access to nuclear weapons. If you are going to go around claiming that most Mexicans comming to this country are murderers and rapists, then you're not qualified implement immigration policy that would treat them justly.

It is incredibly important for leaders and politicians to have a basic level of respect the people whom they would lead. If everytime you open your mouth you inflame half the country then it is ridiclous to assume you could pass laws that would be fair to them as well.
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Are you just looking to finish out the year with one big strawman argument or what? When did I say that anyone was advocating anyone else be thrown in jail for not using politically correct language? When did I say that anyone should give Trump a pass on his bigotry?

Just because I don't like the self righteous assholes that walk around telling people they can't wear an Indian costume for Halloween, or throw a fit because someone used the term illegal immigrant instead of "undocumented worker", does not mean that I am a supporter of racists and bigots.
 
MrWonka said:
There's an old saying that in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king. But people like you prove that's wrong. In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is attacked and told there's something wrong with him for being able to see things that aren't there. You assume because you can't grasp what I'm saying to you that the problem must be with me. You are very very very mistaken.
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Okay. Time for more kool-aid.
 
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