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Should Democrats Gerrymander in Response to Republican Gerrymandering?

Should Democrats Gerrymander in Response to Republican Gerrymandering?

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Tangmo said:
No clue.
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Few people have much of a clue to what I've been describing. Everybody wants instant gratification. Oh turn the country around in one election. Democrats are not going to do that even if they stoop to the level of Republicans. The long game is where it's at. Let Trump be Trump. He will dig himself his own hole to be buried in. We need to fight corruption itself. Democrats are not going to do that. They are nearly as bought as Republicans. It has to be a long term non-partisan movement.

It's understandable that most will be unable to take the time away from their instant gratification approach to appreciate the beauty of this plan. Fortunately, it doesn't require a majority to work. It just grows and grows like weeds until it chokes out corruption. Only the visionary are needed at first.
 
Ahlevah said:
I voted “Other.” When did Democrats ever need an invitation to gerrymander anything? 😆

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Gerrymandering struck down across Maryland during redistricting process

Gerrymandering is the manipulation of electoral districts in order to benefit one political party or candidate over others. Although gerrymandering is often considered to be a Republican issue, Maryland’s 2012 Congressional districts, which heavily favor Democratic candidates, gives it the honor...
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And it was struck down by a Dem judge.

I would love to see some examples of conservative judges doing the same thing in red states.
 
Peacenik said:
That is an argument for doing the wrong thing, the thing that makes people sick of politics, ambivalent, and unlikely to vote. The one thing Democrats need to do besides doing the right thing on gerrymandering is to do a better job of getting the message out to voters.
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The fact that you believe this is astounding. A majority of Americans voted for Trump in the last election. Trump has never done the right thing in his nearly 80 years on this earth. Ted Cruz wins election after election despite never doing the right thing - he won't even stand up for his own family. Yet, despite it, he still wins. If the Republicans net 10 seats due to mid cycle gerrymandering, and the Democrats don't gerrymander where they can, then all that is going to happen is Republicans will keep the House and they won't lose it until a wave election.

As to getting their message out, Democrats don't have a messaging problem, they have a message problem. They are trying to win nationally on a message that only wins in heavily Democratic districts. Democrats have the worst polling since 1990 right now, and the complaint voters have is not that they don't know enough about Democrats, its that they view Democrats as too woke, and too out of touch. A party that is perceived as too culturally left, weak on crime, and weak on border enforcement, cannot win nationally. When the Democratic party moved too far to the left, it resulted in the landslide losses of 1968, 1972, 1984, and 1988. When Donald Trump, a bigot by any measure, actually increases his vote share among Black, Latino, and Asian voters, the problem is not the messaging for Democrats, it is the message. Democrats need to work on broadening the base. To do that, we have to allow people into the tent that we disagree with on some issues.
 
Leftists demanding that the Democratic Party unilaterally disarm and not gerrymander their states:

 
ModernDiogenes said:
It’s bad no matter who is doing it.

It is obvious subversion of our Constitutional Republic’s need for fair, level, playing fields. Where the will of the people is actually being heard and the fix isn’t in.
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It's bad regardless of who's doing it, but it's worse for only one party to do it than for both to do it.
 
Yes, California should gerrymander like a mother****er (in response to Texas) AND THEN...



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Peacenik said:
Fascism self-destructs. Just wait for it.
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Now suddenly there's no long game any more. Now we just watch with our popcorn as fascism goes away POOF.

Your liberal post suggests fascism will rule and all we have to do is watch as it "self-destructs."

This is liberal cool eh, we don't have to do anything. Just accept fascism and then watch it "self destruct." Nothing to worry about eh.

You guys are pure genius. It's how Trump and MAGAs got where they are right now. And indefinitely.
 
Peacenik said:
Few people have much of a clue to what I've been describing. Everybody wants instant gratification. Oh turn the country around in one election. Democrats are not going to do that even if they stoop to the level of Republicans. The long game is where it's at. Let Trump be Trump. He will dig himself his own hole to be buried in. We need to fight corruption itself. Democrats are not going to do that. They are nearly as bought as Republicans. It has to be a long term non-partisan movement.

It's understandable that most will be unable to take the time away from their instant gratification approach to appreciate the beauty of this plan. Fortunately, it doesn't require a majority to work. It just grows and grows like weeds until it chokes out corruption. Only the visionary are needed at first.
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Yep, only some select few have the secret formula. And the beauty of it. Against fascism that smashes through your car window when six goons drag you out. The beauty of the liberal opposition. With their hand lettered signs.
 
BabaVoss said:
Redistricting should be done by independent commissions, using standardized guidelines.
That said, if the TrumpGOP is cheating in this way, the Dems should respond in kind.

I agree, but we should at least make an effort. Most states right now leave redistricting in the hands of the party in power, literally putting the fox in charge of the henhouse. It's an absurdity.
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Sometime corruption is designed in.
 
molten_dragon said:
It's bad regardless of who's doing it, but it's worse for only one party to do it than for both to do it.
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Do you think Democrats haven’t gerrymandered districts? You’d be wrong to think so.

The Democrats do all the bad shite the Republicans do but they aren’t as good at it and they at least seem to know it’s wrong so they try to hide it. My former party seems actually proud of it. They make no attempt to hide it anymore. It’s, ‘Yeah, we’re stealing this. F##k you.”, and, “Did you see Trump take that jet from Qatar after he made that billion dollar real estate deal and lined his pockets. Bad ass. Damn, he owned those Libtards.”, and, “Sure, we said you can’t have a SCOTUS nominee because you only have 8 month left in the Oval yet we’re taking two appointees at four and two months for our guys. What are you going to do about it? Yeah, that’s what I thought you’d do. Nothing.”

Meanwhile, the rest of us sit around like we’re watching a sporting event instead of the demise of our Constitutional Republic.

How pathetic we all are. If this grand experiment in democracy is over we have no one to blame for it but ourselves.
 
JohnfrmClevelan said:
Is this the example of a Republican judge striking down gerrymandering in a red state, like I asked for?
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How does that excuse the behavior of these criminals? I mean politicians? At least a criminal might express regret at sentencing. Did any of these Democrats ever say they were sorry for trying to win elections using a time-honored political spoil that dates back to at least to the 18th century? 😆
 
MAGAnificent said:
I think you are a bit confused. The democrats absolutely gerrymander districts wherever they can. Your party's problem is that they cannot do so in near as many districts as the republicans can, due to the so-called Affordable Healthcare Act passage blew up the democrat advantage in the state legislatures in the 2010 midterm elections. That gave the republicans the advantage that democrats had held for roughly 6 decades.
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Democrats must challenge the fraudulent census and reapportionment of 2020.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Can you suggest some "independents"?


I don't see any.

America is divided by a growing chasm of lies and distrust
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The independent commissions in Arizona and Colorado heavily favored GOPs, and those states are 6-3 and 4-4 GOP respectively.
 
Linc said:
Democrats must challenge the fraudulent census and reapportionment of 2020.
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They can’t beat a lying, misogynistic, narcissistic, 34-time convicted felon, so why not go judge-shopping again? 😆
 
Ahlevah said:
That was only the most notorious example. Have you seen Illinois’ map? 😆

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We’re proud of our map here in Illinois.
We still have some room to get rid of maga-lite lawhood in my 16th.
The two Gopukes downstate are worse than the old confederacy and this new confederacy.

One DemicratIC state is about one-twentieth of what nazi apartheid south african gop states are doing.


Ahlevah said:
They can’t beat a lying, misogynistic, narcissistic, 34-time convicted felon, so why not go judge-shopping again? 😆
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surprised you’re not complimenting Democrats for acting like your ilk
 
Lursa said:
He's echoing the entire MAGA partyline...he's gotta get it somewhere. He's acting as a mouthpiece for the entire "brand."
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Are able to have an independent opinion that is not from CNN or MSNBC?
 
Ahlevah said:
How does that excuse the behavior of these criminals? I mean politicians? At least a criminal might express regret at sentencing. Did any of these Democrats ever say they were sorry for trying to win elections using a time-honored political spoil that dates back to at least to the 18th century? 😆
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It doesn't excuse anything. But it does show that Dem judges are less partisan/more trustworthy than Rep judges. At least until you can come up with some examples of Republican judges striking down gerrymandered maps that favor Republicans.
 
Buster Keaton said:
Are able to have an independent opinion that is not from CNN or MSNBC?
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Are able to have an independent opinion that is not from [whatever far right media you’re listening to that has convinced you Democrats are your enemies]?
 
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