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Should Democrats Gerrymander in Response to Republican Gerrymandering?

Should Democrats Gerrymander in Response to Republican Gerrymandering?

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Lursa said:
Blindly regurgitate some more of the crap that your king and Faux News has fed you...it's a good example of MAGA capabilities.
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Actually that is my original and I don't watch Fox News
 
Felis Leo said:
Yes. Defeating an authoritarian anti-democratic, anti-rule of law party is literally better for democracy.
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But using gerrymandering would make the Dems anti-democratic.

How is having both parties anti-democratic better for democracy than just having one?
 
Aristaeus said:
But using gerrymandering would make the Dems anti-democratic.

How is having both parties anti-democratic better for democracy than just having one?
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It's long past time for Democrats to stop playing nice against Republican thugs. If they gerrymander, we should gerrymander.

Repubs must lead the charge to end gerrymandering.
 
tharock220 said:
It is an op-ed. Just a guy offering his opinion.

But here ya go.
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Still not an op-ed. And here's one for 2025

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-gerrymandered-states

My calculations from your opinion piece (it's from a Kevin McCarthy appointee, so there could be some number fudging along the way) are 43% reps in IL, with 3 rep winners, and 44% of dems in OH with 5 winners. So not really a huge difference. IF those numbers are correct IL & OH may be very close in gerrymandering. However, it still is true that more red states are more heavily gerrymandered than are blue states. CA may be changing their redistricting, in response to TX. Of course no dem president has told them they should, unlike with Trump.
 
Peacenik said:
Doing the right thing isn't always easy; but it is the right thing to do.

Doing wrong has bad consequences. Democrats badly need more credibility. Doing the wrong thing will not help public confidence in Democrats. Doing the right thing makes people feel more confident in voting for Democrats.
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The problem with the idealism and foolishness of your post is that and as we've seen since 2015 Democrats-progressives-liberals would rather be right than win. This is why Trump & MAGAs are where they are now. And carrying on indefinitely.

Trump & MAGAs have since 2015 exploited democracy to destroy democracy. They have exploited the Constitution to destroy the Constitution. Your absurd "right thing to do" is all but vanished.

During the fast and furious months since Jan. 20th the USA has become a post Constitutional society. The congress is subservient to Trump; the Supreme MAGA Court has gone over to the Dark Side. The presidency is what Trump says it is and does with it. The institutions of the democratic society are being dissembled by its enemies within. The Rule of Law is on its deathbed.

MAGA marches on for its 21st Century Uniquely American Fascism. Since 2015. Trump is consistently unstoppable by any regular institutional means. Liberals who are terminally feeble, helpless and rigid keep retreating rather than to regroup, to stand up and to fight. Indeed, any liberal can be spotted from a mile away because of the yellow streak. The big yellow streak.
 
I voted “Other.” When did Democrats ever need an invitation to gerrymander anything? 😆

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Gerrymandering struck down across Maryland during redistricting process

Gerrymandering is the manipulation of electoral districts in order to benefit one political party or candidate over others. Although gerrymandering is often considered to be a Republican issue, Maryland’s 2012 Congressional districts, which heavily favor Democratic candidates, gives it the honor...
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They been doing it forever, why stop now?
 
Peacenik said:
That is an argument for doing the wrong thing, the thing that makes people sick of politics, ambivalent, and unlikely to vote. The one thing Democrats need to do besides doing the right thing on gerrymandering is to do a better job of getting the message out to voters.
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Your post lives in the 20th century.

And the 20th century is dead and gone. Your post is a vacuous cliche'.

Since Trump & MAGA we're in a cage match now. The cage corners are full of crumpled up liberals -- with more to come. As many as there are in fact. All of 'em. MAGAs just keep throwing 'em in on issue after issue. And laughing their asses off as each and every liberal gets pounded and snapped in two.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
It's not the best for this country and our fellow Americans.

There are more people in the US who are having their rights and freedoms stripped away by trumplickans. They're getting kidnapped and thrown into foreign prisons with no due process.

They can no longer make decisions with their own health care, they depend on the rule of law and justice system not to just be bought out by extremist billionaires and have only White Straight "christian", "men" keep their rights and privileges.

They need to fight for our country and Democracy, as the world watches us slip into Autocracy/Fascism.

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That was great. Thanks. Worth the time to watch it.

Yes, promising the masses simple solutions to difficult problems is a theme of fascism. So are attacking voices of opposition, suppression of education, controlling the media, and brutal treatment of scapegoats such as Jews or immigrants.

Very stark similarities to maga.
 
PeteEU said:
Gerrymandering should be illegal.. that is a given. But as the GOP aint playing by the rules, then anything and everything must be done to stop them and their march towards creating the 4th Reich.
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That is the goal but if the means match what you're fighting, then what is it you're fighting for?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
What should Democrats do in response to current Republican attempts to gerrymander in a way to keep their House majority? Should Democrats do nothing or fight back? For example, there appears to be a push in Texas to engineer more Republican seats. Should Democrats just let it happen?
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Democrats have no power to stop it in Texas. They can do little more than speak out against it.
 
BabaVoss said:
Redistricting should be done by independent commissions, using standardized guidelines.
That said, if the TrumpGOP is cheating in this way, the Dems should respond in kind.
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It's difficult to fight for higher morals when compromising one's own morals to do it.
 
Peacenik said:
It's difficult to fight for higher morals when compromising one's own morals to do it.
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To paraphrase Einstein, "the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Politics has moved on from 2008 :rolleyes: "Progressive" means just that...moving forward. Here we need to be pro-active, we need to fight. Upfront and very public attacks. Not low-brow land crass like TACO and MAGA...but still loud and current and focused.
 
Blue Dog said:
Either both sides have to stop gerrymandering or the Democrats have to engage in it as much as the GOP.

Not seeing a viable third alternative….
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The third alternative is local action to change the bought political climate to one of actual representative democracy. With these new taxes on imports, and our "representatives" being bought, and not representing us at all, we have once again achieved taxation without representation.

We fix out corrupt government by going after corruption itself. We need to form local left/right coalitions (thus ensuring this is not partisan) to pass local non-binding resolutions in support of the American Anti Corruption Act. Model legislation that kicks the big money out of government

This will be a calling for new Anti Corruption candidates to run in any party. When enough of them get elected, new non-partisan laws and Amendments can pass reforming our government. Americans have had enough of voting for the lessor of two evils. We want better choices on the ballot!

We are going to force our politicians to represent us or get replaced with someone who will. This vast untapped power lies at our fingertips and all we have to do is act locally in favor of something that no one dare opposes. After all, what politician wishes to take a public position in favor of corruption? No. They must support this to maintain their image. It spends no money. It is symbolic. When repeated all across America it adds up to the American people demanding our government adhere to the representative Democracy outlined in the US Constitution.
 
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