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Sexual Politics

devildavid said:
It has nothing to do with what any individual finds offensive and everything to do with actual offenses against a victim.
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Victimization in sexual harassment cases (as opposed to sexual assault or rape) is 99% inspiration.
 
I think the discourse surrounding sex has always been politicized. People who are complaining about it now are simply upset that women are finally being allowed to participate.
 
Angel said:
The reddened text (my addition) indicates your answers to OP questions.

How do you reconcile these three answers, I wonder? What, on your view, is the relation between nature and politics?
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Sex and sexuality have always had political implications, in the same way that being able to obtain a living wage has been a hot topic over the last decade. It's not really a good thing, just a fact of life. I don't think that people should let their personal choices be controlled by political factors, but at the same time I feel that a lot of the complaining about "politicization" is overblown.
 
Angel said:
Victimization in sexual harassment cases (as opposed to sexual assault or rape) is 99% inspiration.
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What do you base that number on? and what do you mean by inspiration?
 
devildavid said:
Based on what? Anything more than your opinion?
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Based on his desperate need to deny that most of the women he knows were likely victims at one time or another.

I mean, what's really important here, protecting women from sexual abuse or protecting the childlike naievete of men?
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Based on his desperate need to deny that most of the women he knows were likely victims at one time or another.

I mean, what's really important here, protecting women from sexual abuse or protecting the childlike naievete of men?
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Back in the day when women were harassed (let's say pre-1960 for this discussion), they just gave the man a hearty slap in the face and that was the end of it. There was no need to milk it for years of victimhood. The thing to do is just let today's women stay in their "safe space". Many men are wise the the #MeToo bullcrap and will just avoid interacting with women. But hey, at least they aren't being harassed now. You should be happy with the Mike Pence rule.

Young men are deciding that intimate relationships are more trouble than they are worth because of this feminist bullcrap. I'm glad that I won't be around to see the "fruits" of this new feminism when it comes to full bloom.
 
SDET said:
Back in the day when women were harassed (let's say pre-1960 for this discussion), they just gave the man a hearty slap in the face and that was the end of it. There was no need to milk it for years of victimhood. The thing to do is just let today's women stay in their "safe space". Many men are wise the the #MeToo bullcrap and will just avoid interacting with women. But hey, at least they aren't being harassed now. You should be happy with the Mike Pence rule.

Young men are deciding that intimate relationships are more trouble than they are worth because of this feminist bullcrap. I'm glad that I won't be around to see the "fruits" of this new feminism when it comes to full bloom.
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In the fraught atmosphere engendered by the excesses of the MeToo movement, the Mike Pence rule comes across as rationality itself. To the complaint that the Mike Pence rule would restrict women's "voice" in the workplace, it must be said that the Mike Pence rule is precisely a response to what the MeToo movement has made of that "voice" in the public mind. Simply put, the Mike Pence rule is aimed at avoiding "compromising situations" where the compromising nature of the situation is that in which a man can become the target of indefensible allegations that are tried in the court of public opinion whose verdicts are accepted on their face by cowardly corporate employers who wish to avoid bad public relations.
 
Angel said:
Protecting due process.
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Again, name me a single, solitary alleged sexual predator who's been sentenced to prison without trial.

Any man n this forum, any one of us, would lose our jobs if this many of our female coworkers accused us of raping them. If you ran an office and half your female employees accused one of your sales managers of raping them, you would do the exact same ****ing thing, or those same women would rape you in civil court for gross negligence.

Again, and again and again and again and again, these threads show that many, many men think the reputations and careers of men are more important than the safety of women.

And no, I do not feel any moral reluctance whatsoever in saying that those disgusting manchildren can go **** themselves in traffic because they have no place at the table when adults are talking.

You do realize, of course, that unless you are a repeat sex offender, you are more likely to be sexually assaulted in the workplace than accused of sexual assault?

#MeToo wasn't just for women.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Again, name me a single, solitary alleged sexual predator who's been sentenced to prison without trial.

Any man n this forum, any one of us, would lose our jobs if this many of our female coworkers accused us of raping them. If you ran an office and half your female employees accused one of your sales managers of raping them, you would do the exact same ****ing thing, or those same women would rape you in civil court for gross negligence.

Again, and again and again and again and again, these threads show that many, many men think the reputations and careers of men are more important than the safety of women.

And no, I do not feel any moral reluctance whatsoever in saying that those disgusting manchildren can go **** themselves in traffic because they have no place at the table when adults are talking.

You do realize, of course, that unless you are a repeat sex offender, you are more likely to be sexually assaulted in the workplace than accused of sexual assault?

#MeToo wasn't just for women.
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The right to due process is the right to fair trial under law.
A lynch mob violates the right to due process.
The MeToo movement is a lynch mob.

The category of "sexual predator" has become too broad and inclusive for the social good, conflating actual crime and vague offensive behavior.
You continue to talk about "rape" in your posts -- a most serious crime, to be sure -- but the MeToo movement is mostly about "inappropriate behavior," not rape.
Moreover, whereas you mention not having any "moral reluctance" about denigrating those who disagree with you, you also don't scruple for an instant about the shabby business of people losing jobs or having their careers ruined based solely on allegation. In both cases the lack of scruples is problematic, it seems to me.
 
Angel said:
The right to due process is the right to fair trial under law.
A lynch mob violates the right to due process.
The MeToo movement is a lynch mob.
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Do you even ****ing understand what words mean?

All you had to do was name me a single #MeToo target who'd been sentenced or punished without a trial, a single ****ing one, and all you're doing is running your ****ing yap about how all of these rich famous white men lost their ****ing jobs because literally dozens of their coworkers have accused them of rape. There is no "due process" for getting fired from your job, and the only jobs in the entire country where dozens of credible allegations of sexual misconduct does not cause an immediate termination are in Washington DC.

You're done wasting my time.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Do you even ****ing understand what words mean?

All you had to do was name me a single #MeToo target who'd been sentenced or punished without a trial, a single ****ing one, and all you're doing is running your ****ing yap about how all of these rich famous white men lost their ****ing jobs because literally dozens of their coworkers have accused them of rape. There is no "due process" for getting fired from your job, and the only jobs in the entire country where dozens of credible allegations of sexual misconduct does not cause an immediate termination are in Washington DC.

You're done wasting my time.
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And I hope this means you're done polluting my thread with your incivilities.
Chill out, man, and good luck to you.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Such a sad and shortsighted OP.

There has always been politics and ideology involved in all things between man and woman. In this nation across all of its history up to and including today there has been political and ideological involvement in all things between man and woman.

Sex itself has also always been politically and ideologically impacted, mainly because some believe their opinions and beliefs should be inflicted on everyone else.

The consequence of that are those impacted responding. It is well documented how frequently in this nation the political pendulum shifts back and forth between conservative and liberal ideologies, well the exact same thing is true of social climate and usually because of that political pendulum where majority inflicts their views on the minority.

Sexual relations has always been a casualty of this mentality, because people have an incessant and terrible habit of wanting to influence the relationships others have.

Worse, it is all intentional.
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Hey, what about all the other genders?
 
devildavid said:
You have three threads where one would do with a more honest title: The Dangers of the MeToo Movement.
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Only one who did not read the OPs of the three threads could post something is uninformed as this. You're on a roll, David.
 
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