Religious people try to force god onto children in school

[Anarchon]

I mean, I was paraphrasing the portion of the 1st amendment that pertains to religion. I'll freely admit that. I looked at the 1st amendment and I don't think I left anything out other than freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to petition government, and freedom of assembly which aren't relrvant to the discussion at hand. So if you could oblige in telling me what I'm missing then I'd really appreciate it.

Respecting a religion and establishing a religion are completely different things. Making a law respecting religion and establishing a religion is different yet more.

 

[Crovax]

LOL, yes. After all, they don’t say which God, right?

Yes it could be literally any god, which is why only atheists care about abolishing it. For their religion is the most intolerant and closed mineded of them all.

 

[Maccabee]

Respecting a religion and establishing a religion are completely different things. Making a law respecting religion and establishing a religion is different yet more.

So what's your point? "In God we trust" isn't respecting or establishing any one religion.

 

[Anarchon]

So what's your point? "In God we trust" isn't respecting or establishing any one religion.

First, admit that you were wrong, and apologize for being so dense and troublesome.

Secondly, even if that were a little "g", that would respect an establishment of religion.

 

[Maccabee]

First, admit that you were wrong, and apologize for being so dense and troublesome.

I wasn't wrong. I said that I was paraphrasing.

Secondly, even if that were a little "g", that would respect an establishment of religion.

Then I fall back to my original point. If you don't like the motto, petition the government to change it. Until government changes the motto, government is allowed to post it anywhere they have government property on.

 

[Anarchon]

I wasn't wrong. I said that I was paraphrasing.

par·a·phrase
ˈperəˌfrāz/Submit
verb
1. express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.

You didn't express the same meaning, as I demonstrated. You achieved the opposite of greater clarity.

 

[Sweden]

Plain and simple. God is not religious and there is no religion called God. That's just the way it is.

Plainer and simpler: belief in God is a religious belief. To keep on repeating the contrary is just perverse.

 

[Thoreau72]

A motto mentioning God is not bringing back theocracy.

Those who are ignorant of reality are doomed to make things up.

That is true regarding a theocracy.

To paraphrase the US Constitution's relationship with matters religious, it is to remain neutral. It is to assure that free religious expression is protected, but the government is to remain neutral on religious matters.

 

[mike2810]

Nobody is taking issue with the faith of the founders or what reasoning they used. It is very clear that regardless of what they believed in they kept it to themselves and kept it out of our laws, just as clear as the fact that this important detail entirely eludes you.

You would be wrong about me. I am quite aware that God is not mentioned in the Constitution.

So explain what is wrong displaying "In God We Trust?" How does it improve the learning process for students. Should the phrase be removed from the US currency?

 

[Sweden]

You would be wrong about me. I am quite aware that God is not mentioned in the Constitution.

So explain what is wrong displaying "In God We Trust?" How does it improve the learning process for students. Should the phrase be removed from the US currency?

Printing "In God We Trust" on the currency carries the implication that all US citizens -"We" - trust in God. Clearly some do not. Therefore the phase should be amended to read "Some of us Trust in God".

 

[mike2810]

Printing "In God We Trust" on the currency carries the implication that all US citizens -"We" - trust in God. Clearly some do not. Therefore the phase should be amended to read "Some of us Trust in God".

You can't please everyone. Maybe those who don't , should. lol

 

[Somerville]

An anonymous group is funding the printing of the poster shown here, as an alternative to the "In God We Trust" signs that several states now require to be placed in public schools.



Can't imagine why the group (or individual) would want to remain anonymous. :roll:

 

[Manc Skipper]

You would be wrong about me. I am quite aware that God is not mentioned in the Constitution.

So explain what is wrong displaying "In God We Trust?" How does it improve the learning process for students. Should the phrase be removed from the US currency?

What is wrong is that it promotes a religious belief. That is not a neautral position. It's a reminder of a latent insecurity in the part of the lawmakers who introduced it in 1956. America managed to get by without it for 160 years.

 

[mike2810]

What is wrong is that it promotes a religious belief. That is not a neautral position. It's a reminder of a latent insecurity in the part of the lawmakers who introduced it in 1956. America managed to get by without it for 160 years.

Which religious belief? Seems the lawmakers did not state it was a Muslim God or Jewish God or Christian God or any other God. Want to bet that many people don't even really notice it is on currency. What they look at is was that a 1,5,10, 20, etc.

The USA has gotten along pretty well the last 62 years with the phrase. Why change now? :mrgreen:

 

[Somerville]

Would it be OK if schools put up this sign?



OR, this one?

En Dios, Confiamos

 

[Manc Skipper]

Which religious belief? Seems the lawmakers did not state it was a Muslim God or Jewish God or Christian God or any other God. Want to bet that many people don't even really notice it is on currency. What they look at is was that a 1,5,10, 20, etc.

The USA has gotten along pretty well the last 62 years with the phrase. Why change now? :mrgreen:

It doesn't matter which religious belief, it's not a neutral statement. It was the American god, facing down those atheistic commies, dammit! Why change? It was a stupid mistake, born of fear.

ps The God of Abraham is all the same guy, in different robes.

 

[Lursa]

Which religious belief? Seems the lawmakers did not state it was a Muslim God or Jewish God or Christian God or any other God. Want to bet that many people don't even really notice it is on currency. What they look at is was that a 1,5,10, 20, etc.

The USA has gotten along pretty well the last 62 years with the phrase. Why change now? :mrgreen:

Any god is about a religious belief. It is a Christian motto, that is a fact from it's history and has been posted here. And there are those of no beliefs at all.

Going forward, no taxpayer $ should go to promoting a belief in something that excludes others.

 

[D_NATURED]

I can only speak for myself. I wasn't there when they made it a national motto. But I will say that the constitution only says that congress cannot establish a religion or prohibit the free excercise thereof.

You need to re-read the words or admit that you don't care what it really says. It says that congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion. God, the abstract idea of a deity, IS an establishment of religion and when they created the law that put that establishment of religion into US law, they violated the constitution. This crime against our nation has stood, largely, by depending upon the ignorance of the law that you, among others, demonstrate.

The right wing has seemingly determined that their ignorance is immune from being called ignorance. Instead, we must all patronize your revisionist history as if it's just "conservative truth" rather than obvious bull****. How is shame in such short supply among the nations most outspoken critics of reason.

 

[Sweden]

You need to re-read the words or admit that you don't care what it really says. It says that congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion. God, the abstract idea of a deity, IS an establishment of religion and when they created the law that put that establishment of religion into US law, they violated the constitution. This crime against our nation has stood, largely, by depending upon the ignorance of the law that you, among others, demonstrate.

The right wing has seemingly determined that their ignorance is immune from being called ignorance. Instead, we must all patronize your revisionist history as if it's just "conservative truth" rather than obvious bull****. How is shame in such short supply among the nations most outspoken critics of reason.

How did religion ever become a Left/Right issue in the US? It isn't in Europe. I'm a vocal atheist and on the Right - just like millions of others across the continent.

 

[Sweden]

Which religious belief? Seems the lawmakers did not state it was a Muslim God or Jewish God or Christian God or any other God. Want to bet that many people don't even really notice it is on currency. What they look at is was that a 1,5,10, 20, etc.

The USA has gotten along pretty well the last 62 years with the phrase. Why change now? :mrgreen:

Change it because it is a lie. Not all Americans trust in a god. Replace with "In God some of us Trust. Others think Him Untrustworty and still others do not think a God exists at all" that may not be so snappy but has the great merit of being honest.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Geeze Louise! Liberals want to completely sanitize society from any and all references to God, and forcibly relegate Christians underground, just like in China and other Communist sh*tholes.

No, you don't have it right at all.
I find it disgusting that our money, our FILTHY LUCRE, has it emblazoned all over the place.
I imagine a hooker rolling up a twenty and snorting coke off a john's buttocks and wonder where there is any sense in "IN GOD WE TRUST" being that close to a john's ass or a hooker's nose.
I see an arms dealer picking up a briefcase full of millions used to purchase weapons to kill innocent children and wonder what "God" thinks of that horrid enterprise.

How on Earth is that honorable?
Get it now? The last thing on Earth that should have God on it is our money, because you might as well be saying that MONEY is our god.

I see an In-and-Out drink cup with scripture printed on it and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm not a believer in organized religion but I am not offended by that. But I am offended by our dough being branded as God's holy paper, due to the fact that our money is being used for all manner of evil every day, and God, as I see him, or as anyone else does, is being dragged through the mud and filth.

 

[eduard]

California enacted the California Healthy Youth Act in 2015.The law says it will equip students to develop “healthy attitudes” on “gender [and] sexual orientation.The teaching materials approved for use under this law are a study guide for the transgender children’s book I Am Jazz, as well as a “sexual health toolkit."This “toolkit,” funded in part by the George Soros-connected Tides Center, offers kids tips on using sex toys and anal lubricant. It defines “anal intercourse,” “phone sex,” and more as “common sexual behaviors.” It teaches that “abstinence” and “virginity” can mean engaging in a variety of sexual activities, but stopping short of intercourse.“What if you don’t have time or money to buy sex toys?” the guide asks on page C-51. “Cucumbers, carrots, and bananas (with the peel) make great dildos. Just remember to use a condom!” The “toolkit” lists as resources Planned Parenthood and the radically pro-homosexual and pro-abortion group Advocates for Youth.Planned Parenthood received over $1.5 billion in taxpayer funds from 2013 to 2015.Parents who disagree with the state’s LGBT positions “may not excuse their children from this instruction, and do not have a constitutional right to excuse their children from portions of the school curriculum that they find objectionable.” The California Constitution.
SEC. 31.
(a) The State shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.

 

[Aberration]

Unlike ridiculous slippery slope arguments used by gun advocates, who tell us that any regulation on their private ownership of attack helicopters and nuclear ordnances is the first step toward communist tyranny, the founding fathers did strongly warn us of the slippery slope in these cases of keeping religion out of the state. Perfectly and completely.

Guns have nothing to do with the topic.

Mentioning God is not an ecclesiastical matter.

 

[Bassman]

No, you don't have it right at all.
I find it disgusting that our money, our FILTHY LUCRE, has it emblazoned all over the place.
I imagine a hooker rolling up a twenty and snorting coke off a john's buttocks and wonder where there is any sense in "IN GOD WE TRUST" being that close to a john's ass or a hooker's nose.
I see an arms dealer picking up a briefcase full of millions used to purchase weapons to kill innocent children and wonder what "God" thinks of that horrid enterprise.

How on Earth is that honorable?
Get it now? The last thing on Earth that should have God on it is our money, because you might as well be saying that MONEY is our god.

I see an In-and-Out drink cup with scripture printed on it and it doesn't bother me at all. I'm not a believer in organized religion but I am not offended by that. But I am offended by our dough being branded as God's holy paper, due to the fact that our money is being used for all manner of evil every day, and God, as I see him, or as anyone else does, is being dragged through the mud and filth.

I don't know where you got that claptrap from, but you missed my point entirely. Liberals want even the very idea of god stripped completely from society, just like they try to do in Communist dicatorships that Liberals here want to emulate.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I don't know where you got that claptrap from, but you missed my point entirely. Liberals want even the very idea of god stripped completely from society, just like they try to do in Communist dicatorships that Liberals here want to emulate.

You don't get to speak for liberals.