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Religious people try to force god onto children in school

Bassman said:
Granted. But as more people become saved through the Grace of God, it will affect public policy.
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That's becoming less and less common. Not more.

Which is a shame but it's things like your brand of hate and intolerance and other rigid dogma that are turning people away.

You and fundamentalists like yourself do more harm, and bring more shame, to Christianity than atheists or others.
 
ataraxia said:
I thought being saved had nothing to do with being a sinner. You now seem to be suggesting that if people are saved, they will stop being sinners. You guys really have to make up your mind what it is you’re trying to say.

And don’t try to pin Europe’s problems just on the Catholic Church. The wars over several centuries between the Catholics and Protestants there wiped out over a third of the population of the entire continent. That’s what Madison and the other founding fathers were trying to avoid here. It seems they did a pretty good job.
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When you read the hate and intolerance he and people like him spew...would you trust them? Want to be like them? Believe in a god that told them that behavior was acceptable? Would you even want to spend any time with them?

When good people proselytize and gather to share God's Word, it is all about how the Lord uplifts us and shares our burdens and gives us the strength to do what's right and forgives us when we cannot. Picks us up when we fall and gives us another chance.It encourages us to treat our fellow men and women...Christian or not...the same. Etc etc.

The behavior and words of his type of fundamentalist are appalling.
 
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Being a atheist, I find people wanting to save me, and educate me and my daughters in believing in a god is strange. Dealing with a Christian wanting to save me and my family, only makes me think of a car accident that kills people. Christians killed in a car accident only makes me smile.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Being a atheist, I find people wanting to save me, and educate me and my daughters in believing in a god is strange. Dealing with a Christian wanting to save me and my family, only makes me think of a car accident that kills people. Christians killed in a car accident only makes me smile.
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Well that's pretty vile and petty.

Certainly it shows you hold no moral High Ground above...er...hmmm not sure but thinking more along the lines of rodents.
 
Lursa said:
He preached on compassion and forgiveness.
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Many Christians have reinvented Jesus to be an asshole so they feel justified being assholes.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Being a atheist, I find people wanting to save me, and educate me and my daughters in believing in a god is strange. Dealing with a Christian wanting to save me and my family, only makes me think of a car accident that kills people. Christians killed in a car accident only makes me smile.
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Don't cut yourself on all that edginess, bro.
 
Deuce said:
Many Christians have reinvented Jesus to be an asshole so they feel justified being assholes.
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IMO they are trying, falsely, to portray Him as a hard-ass authoritarian which is what they want, to have that power to inflict on people that dont believe as they do.

That is soooooo not what the New Testament teaches and not what was taught in the United Methodist Church I grew up in. Nor in the many different more 'non-denominational' services I attend these days.

Peace, love, compassion, forgiveness, brotherly love, charity.

LOL...do those look like hard-ass authoritarian attributes to you? And yet...that is truly what Jesus preached.

You're right tho...it's way easier to be an asshole.
 
Aberration said:
Nope. God is a being, real or imaginary is irrelevant. The Catholic Church, the Episcopal Church, the Orthodox Churches, the United Methodists.... those would be establishments of religion. Trying to convince people that anything and everything to do with God is somehow an establishment of religion is just going to be very effective.
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Well, you're wrong as ****. God is an idea that is established by and for the religious. Not understanding the words of the constitution is no excuse for oppressing atheists.
 
ataraxia said:
I thought being saved had nothing to do with being a sinner. You now seem to be suggesting that if people are saved, they will stop being sinners. You guys really have to make up your mind what it is you’re trying to say.

And don’t try to pin Europe’s problems just on the Catholic Church. The wars over several centuries between the Catholics and Protestants there wiped out over a third of the population of the entire continent. That’s what Madison and the other founding fathers were trying to avoid here. It seems they did a pretty good job.
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Bolded: That's where the sanctification process lies. People being transformed into the image of Christ. it isn't excusing sin, but our destiny with Christ is secured.
 
Lursa said:
That's becoming less and less common. Not more.

Which is a shame but it's things like your brand of hate and intolerance and other rigid dogma that are turning people away.

You and fundamentalists like yourself do more harm, and bring more shame, to Christianity than atheists or others.
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True Christianity does not embrace homosexuality nor any other sexual perversion. Nor does it embrace abortion. Nor does it embrace any other sin.
 
Lursa said:
IMO they are trying, falsely, to portray Him as a hard-ass authoritarian which is what they want, to have that power to inflict on people that dont believe as they do.

That is soooooo not what the New Testament teaches and not what was taught in the United Methodist Church I grew up in. Nor in the many different more 'non-denominational' services I attend these days.

Peace, love, compassion, forgiveness, brotherly love, charity.

LOL...do those look like hard-ass authoritarian attributes to you? And yet...that is truly what Jesus preached.

You're right tho...it's way easier to be an asshole.
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I would have written something similar but "asshole" was a shorter way to describe what you said ;)
 
Lursa said:
Well that's pretty vile and petty.

Certainly it shows you hold no moral High Ground above...er...hmmm not sure but thinking more along the lines of rodents.
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As a atheist, I cannot be moral, because you have to believe in religion to be a moral person. Since I am a atheist, there is no moral argument I can make.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
As a atheist, I cannot be moral, because you have to believe in religion to be a moral person. Since I am a atheist, there is no moral argument I can make.
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But you do exhibit the total depravity of man that the Bible is replete of examples of. Especially where Jeremiah writes that the human heart is "deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know it?" god certainly does. And He will hold YOU accountable.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
As a atheist, I cannot be moral, because you have to believe in religion to be a moral person. Since I am a atheist, there is no moral argument I can make.
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That is not true...from the very start, man has had a conscience/sense of morality...Adam and Eve manifested this as soon as they broke God’s law and hid themselves...Genesis 3:8

Romans 2:14, 15 says “For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused.”

It can be seen that conscience has not been wiped out even among non-Christians...many laws of the nations are in harmony with a Christian’s conscience, yet such nations and lawmakers may not have been influenced by Christianity at all...the laws were according to the leadings of their own consciences...all persons have the faculty of conscience, regardless of their beliefs or lack thereof...
 
Risky Thicket said:
I think it is absurd. As I have said a few times before I don't want any religion in government, not mine, not anyone's.
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As ‘the left’ Sleeps, ‘the right’ slready Has 12 states for a Constitutional Convention.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’d often mention ‘The Creator’ in class. When a moronic teenager objected, saying I couldn’t say ‘God’, I’d say I didn’t, and invite them to read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Changing ‘Creator’ to ‘God’ was the WORST thing the first USSC could have ever done. It’s why we fight wars, for thousands of years. I’m completely convinced that ALL religious texts must change God Back To Creator or Father.

Ranking one better than another is an extreme sickness, versus celebrating the best of everyone. Our baby 🍼 boomer generation can still fix this.
 
Elvira said:
That is not true...from the very start, man has had a conscience/sense of morality...Adam and Eve manifested this as soon as they broke God’s law and hid themselves...Genesis 3:8
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Before Eve, there was this naked man named Adam, that God made in his image. Adam did not understand he was a naked man, but God understood he was a naked man. Why did God wanted to look at a naked man? There are a number of gay porn movies, and God and Adam would be a interesting gay porn movie.
 
Bassman said:
True Christianity does not embrace homosexuality nor any other sexual perversion. Nor does it embrace abortion. Nor does it embrace any other sin.
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Nor does it embrace hate, intolerance, judgement.

Jesus and the Lord love and accept every person that chooses to follow Them.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
As a atheist, I cannot be moral, because you have to believe in religion to be a moral person. Since I am a atheist, there is no moral argument I can make.
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Where the Hell did you learn that?

That's not correct. There is morality outside of religion.

and btw, 'not being moral' is not an excuse to be an dispassionate asshole.
 
Lursa said:
Nor does it embrace hate, intolerance, judgement.

Jesus and the Lord love and accept every person that chooses to follow Them.
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He did say that narrow is the gate and straight is the path to Eternal Life. he also said I AM the Way the Truth and the Life, no one can come to the Father but by Me. But his very first word after he was baptized by John the Baptist wasn't "love everyone", it was, and is "REPENT!" That means turn from sin. And that includes sexual perversion, etc.
 
Bassman said:
He did say that narrow is the gate and straight is the path to Eternal Life. he also said I AM the Way the Truth and the Life, no one can come to the Father but by Me. But his very first word after he was baptized by John the Baptist wasn't "love everyone", it was, and is "REPENT!" That means turn from sin. And that includes sexual perversion, etc.
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You selectively interpret the Bible and lean more towards the Old Testament the way that extremist Muslims selectively interpret the Qu'ran and the Hadiths and are just as ignorant and dangerous to the American way of life. You desire the authoritarianism of control over others and the use of a higher power to enforce it.

No wonder fewer and fewer people are called to God's Word...they hear it interpreted by people like you.
 
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