• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Real news, Fake picture....

Now the cry is "they won't let photographers in" as an excuse for misrepresenting the photo in question...

You prevent journalists from taking perfectly accurate photos, then attack them for using the next best thing. You can't deny the reality that there are crying children being separated from their families in droves by this administration. You're just angry that your plan to try and keep the media from telling the truth about you isn't working.

Moving goalposts.. Always fun to watch.
You don't seem to know what goal posts are.

And "nitpicking"?

The took a child NOT REMOVED FROM HER MOTHER and made her the literal poster child for children who are removed from their parents...
Do you deny that crying children are being separated from their mothers? If you would like the media to use a picture of one of them for accuracy that's fine. Just allow them into the buildings where these children are being held with cameras, and you'll have all the accurate journalism you could possibly want.

I guess a good name for supporters of this type of misrepresentation is "Liars for border reform".

Do you deny that crying children are being separated from their mothers by the Trump administration? That is the truth no matter how much you don't want that truth being reported. How the media goes about helping America understand the truth is irrelevant. So long as this is the truth, the American people deserve to know it. If you don't like which child is on the cover of Time, let a journalist enter one of these facilities, and take a picture of a different one. Both pictures will be equally as sad and disturbing if not more so and you know it.
 
You prevent journalists from taking perfectly accurate photos, then attack them for using the next best thing. You can't deny the reality that there are crying children being separated from their families in droves by this administration. You're just angry that your plan to try and keep the media from telling the truth about you isn't working.


You don't seem to know what goal posts are.


Do you deny that crying children are being separated from their mothers? If you would like the media to use a picture of one of them for accuracy that's fine. Just allow them into the buildings where these children are being held with cameras, and you'll have all the accurate journalism you could possibly want.



Do you deny that crying children are being separated from their mothers by the Trump administration? That is the truth no matter how much you don't want that truth being reported. How the media goes about helping America understand the truth is irrelevant. So long as this is the truth, the American people deserve to know it. If you don't like which child is on the cover of Time, let a journalist enter one of these facilities, and take a picture of a different one. Both pictures will be equally as sad and disturbing if not more so and you know it.

All that typing...

All that Assumption...

All that misrepresenting of my point.

I am not mad.

If you read the title (and my posts) for comprehension and not response you would see that I do recognize that there is something to be discussed and the it is real news.

Have you seen me deny children were taken? No.

So the majority of your finger flailing is irrelevant...

Quick question... Have you evidence photographers have been prevented from photographing detainees?
 
Have you seen me deny children were taken? No.
Then this thread serves no purpose. As long as crying children are in fact being taken away from their parents and as long as the government won't allow pictures to be taken of those children there is absolutely no reason to criticize the media for using the one photograph they could find of immigrant children and their parents being arrested. There is nothing dishonest about what the media did. They want pictures from inside the facility. Trump won't let them take any so they got the closest representation they could find to get the point across. If you don't like it, then I dare you to let a photojournalist in the building with a camera.

Quick question... Have you evidence photographers have been prevented from photographing detainees?

yes.

This is why there are so few pictures of migrant children

"Fox News correspondent Jeff Paul, reporting outside a temporary shelter in Tornillo, Texas, said on Wednesday that he "couldn't stress enough" that access has been limited.

"We have not been allowed to go inside and view this with our own eyes," he said on the air."
 
Then this thread serves no purpose. As long as crying children are in fact being taken away from their parents and as long as the government won't allow pictures to be taken of those children there is absolutely no reason to criticize the media for using the one photograph they could find of immigrant children and their parents being arrested. There is nothing dishonest about what the media did. They want pictures from inside the facility. Trump won't let them take any so they got the closest representation they could find to get the point across. If you don't like it, then I dare you to let a photojournalist in the building with a camera.



yes.

This is why there are so few pictures of migrant children

"Fox News correspondent Jeff Paul, reporting outside a temporary shelter in Tornillo, Texas, said on Wednesday that he "couldn't stress enough" that access has been limited.

"We have not been allowed to go inside and view this with our own eyes," he said on the air."

This thread is about the lazy/dishonest misrepresentation of the photo. That is the purpose of this thread.

There are about twenty threads for the separation of child from parents illegally entering the country.

If you wish to cry your crocodile tears go to those threads.


BTW - So few =/= None
 
This thread is about the lazy/dishonest misrepresentation of the photo.
There is absolutely nothing lazy or dishonest about the photo. Journalists would love nothing more than to go into the facility where these children are being held and take pictures of it. They would love nothing more than to take video so we can all see it. They aren't being allowed to do that. This is the closest picture they've been able to take which is a representation of what's going on inside these facilities. The fact that this girl wasn't technically separated is irrelevant.

If you wish to cry your crocodile tears go to those threads.
You are the one crying and making a big stink about something that is entirely irrelevant to try and justify your nonsensically stupid belief that the Mass Media is all lying to us. In reality, it is the Trump administration that is lying to us and trying to cover that fact up by attacking the media's credibility and denying them access so they can properly do their jobs.

BTW - So few =/= None

None have been taken by journalists from inside the facility. The few photographs taken were either issued by the government to paint a rosy picture of the facility, or they were taken of children and families in the process of being arrested before they can be separated. This is entirely the government's fault not the journalist's fault.
 
There is absolutely nothing lazy or dishonest about the photo. Journalists would love nothing more than to go into the facility where these children are being held and take pictures of it. They would love nothing more than to take video so we can all see it. They aren't being allowed to do that. This is the closest picture they've been able to take which is a representation of what's going on inside these facilities. The fact that this girl wasn't technically separated is irrelevant.


You are the one crying and making a big stink about something that is entirely irrelevant to try and justify your nonsensically stupid belief that the Mass Media is all lying to us. In reality, it is the Trump administration that is lying to us and trying to cover that fact up by attacking the media's credibility and denying them access so they can properly do their jobs.



None have been taken by journalists from inside the facility. The few photographs taken were either issued by the government to paint a rosy picture of the facility, or they were taken of children and families in the process of being arrested before they can be separated. This is entirely the government's fault not the journalist's fault.

The photo was represented as a photo of a child crying due to separation from parents when that was not what happened.

What part of MISREPRESENTING are you not getting?

This smacks of the children in cages photos that were claimed to be due to Trump but ended up being of the Obama administration....
 
Irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that there are children who are being separated from their parents. They're being held in cages, and the public has been prevented from entering the facilities. The few journalists allowed inside were not allowed to take pictures. Whether this one girl was separated or not does not change these facts.

Why didn't you cry about that when president Obama was doing it?

Your hypocrisy is showing...
 
Why didn't you cry about that when president Obama was doing it?

Your hypocrisy is showing...
Partially, I think, because the various corporate media didn't report on it much if at all.
Also there was that whole "things are under control" feeling that I think far too many had.
They don't with Trump, so there's more investigation, plus he's literally their enemy in many ways (calling them fake)

Edit: For example, I can't say for sure that I was aware of it during Obama.
Maybe towards the end, when I was realizing he wasn't as good as the hype.
Although it's weird, I ran the gamut from sorta-republican to damn near a socialist during the Obama presidency.
First I thought he was bad, then OK, then good, then somewhat problematic from the other side of the spectrum, and finally I realized he was more of the same **** we'd had for the past 40-50 years or so.
Maybe slightly better in some areas, but just as bad or worse in arguably more important ones.
 
Last edited:
How about the other 2500 or maybe thousands more, who knows?

Do you think for one minute that if it were "thousands more" that every CNN talking head wouldn't be on TV at the same time having a simultaneous orgasm?
 
Partially, I think, because the various corporate media didn't report on it much if at all.
Also there was that whole "things are under control" feeling that I think far too many had.
They don't with Trump, so there's more investigation, plus he's literally their enemy in many ways (calling them fake)

Edit: For example, I can't say for sure that I was aware of it during Obama.

Maybe towards the end, when I was realizing he wasn't as good as the hype.
Although it's weird, I ran the gamut from sorta-republican to damn near a socialist during the Obama presidency.
First I thought he was bad, then OK, then good, then somewhat problematic from the other side of the spectrum, and finally I realized he was more of the same **** we'd had for the past 40-50 years or so.
Maybe slightly better in some areas, but just as bad or worse in arguably more important ones.

The photos were published at the time of Obama's administration.

Children in cages waiting to be placed in (hopefully) safe temporary homes.
 
The photos were published at the time of Obama's administration.

Children in cages waiting to be placed in (hopefully) safe temporary homes.
It's probably impossible to see every news item, definitely so if you aren't really paying attention much (which I wasn't until sometime after 2014)
 
I bet you were agreeing with Chuck todd about two weeks before the election when on 'Meet the Press' he was singing
the tune you love to hear, sounds pretty much like that 56% against Trump stuff you are engaging in now. His approval
is much higher now than the 37% it was then:
PS I already have won over $1,500 betting on Trump beating the odds but thanks for the tip!


Meet the Press - October 16, 2016

Republicans feared that Trump's troubles would metastasize and take out down ballot Republicans threatening the party's
hold on the Senate and perhaps even the House. But we have a new indication of just how dire things have become for Trump.
In our new NBC News Wall Street Journal poll out right now Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump in a four-way race by ten points
among registered voters, 47/37. If you limit it to just likely voters, check this out. Clinton's lead actually grows to 48/37.


MEET THE PRESS

OCT 23 2016, 12:24 PM ET

does she go for a big win, a landslide? Does she try to quell the talk of a rigged election
by pushing hard into red states like Utah, Georgia, and Arizona, sensing an opportunity for the
biggest electoral victory since the last time a Clinton was on the ballot?

The 2016 results are not indicative of future results..... for many reasons.

OK, so you want to review 2016. I tend to subscribe to the notion that 538.com is the best, most comprehensive forecaster. The final forecast gave Hillary a 71% of winning; Trump a 29% chance.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Now, 71% is a good probability, but not a sure thing. (If a weather man says there is a 30% chance of rain and it rains, was he wrong?) Yes, the election was a surprise, but it should have not been a shock. If you looked at the movement over the final days, you should not have been shocked. In fact, only on the very last day did it "open" to a 71-29..... on the day before, the composite was 65-35, which was a radical change in the last 15 days from 88-12. No, Trump closed very fast at the end. Thank you Jim Comey? Thank you Moscow?

Ok... so the 2016 election should not have been a shock. But, Trump had a few things working into his favor that he no longer has: 1) a weak opponent. Though she should not have been weak, as she had outstanding credentials, she was old school, Trump did a nice job of exploiting her weaknesses and convincing people that she had weaknesses that she actually did not have (or that Trump had worse)... but, he brilliantly beat her down. 2) Many people were willing to give Trump, an outsider, the benefit of the doubt. 3) He had a Russian wind at his back that helped immensely with #1. 4) Jim Comey's untimely announcement played very well into Trump's narrative (see the 538.com trend in the cite I gave you). This resulted Trump winning, not because he got people out to vote, but because the elements above suppressed the Hillary vote.

What you do not seem to be grasping, however, is the number I put on the table, the 56% is NOT an approval number, it is the percentage of Americans that think Trump is UNFIT FOR OFFICE. These people do not think Trump is doing a bad job; they think he can't do the job. What this means is that we have a ceiling of approval of about the inverse of that number -- 45%. Quinnipiac has been surveying this quarterly since last September. The unfit number has consistently been 56-57...

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2511
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2487

This means that Trump has an approval ceiling of about 45. Its the "unfit" number, however, that will do him in. The "benefit of the doubt" people are gone... since he is at 42% approval, about where he was at election, the "benefit of the doubt" people no longer have doubts, they are generally now in the unfit number. Its pretty tough to win an election when 56% of the country thinks you are unfit for office.
 
Partially, I think, because the various corporate media didn't report on it much if at all.

This is key. This is why most people are so ignorant of the trust. They trust the media.

Those of you following the media, please understand it is the media that rules your life.
 
That is your justification for taking thousands of children away from their parents? It great for you, but for the Republican Party its a disaster that will never end.

It's the Democrats overplaying their hand which will suffer disastrous concequences because of their fake outragr over this.
I do believe your outrage isn't fake you really just fell for all the FAKE stuff the MSM offers.

Not only do the American people stand behind the President on some of his more outrage-inducing enforcement tactics, but they do so overwhelmingly.
A solid 63 percent of voters in this country support some form of incarceration or flat-out deportation for those caught crossing our borders illegally.
While the Democrat Party is busy inciting violence against administration officials, spurred on by the latest faux outrage over illegal
immigration enforcement, new numbers indicate that America is actually firmly behind President Trump on the topic.

The latest CBS poll spells gloom and doom for a Democrat Party that thinks they’re going to
ride a ‘blue wave’ and an alleged furor over immigration policies to victory in 2018.

They don’t want them released into the country.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trum...ation-polling/
 
Back
Top Bottom