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Question about Jesus and Hell.

devildavid said:
Why can't you tell me? Who translated it? How do you know that their translation is accurate? How do you verify its accuracy?
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I can't tell you what I really wanna tell you...you're not worth the points...:roll:
 
Having read all the back and forth, I'm leaning towards thinking that Jesus said Hell is a literal fire.
 
stevecanuck said:
Having read all the back and forth, I'm leaning towards thinking that Jesus said Hell is a literal fire.
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The Wicked Suffer in Hell

What is the origin of the myth?
“Of all classical Greek philosophers, the one who has had the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell is Plato.”​—Histoire des enfers (The History of Hell), by Georges Minois, page 50.

“From the middle of the 2nd century AD Christians who had some training in Greek philosophy began to feel the need to express their faith in its terms . . . The philosophy that suited them best was Platonism [the teachings of Plato].”​—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 25, page 890.

“The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God.”​—Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 edition, page 270.

What does the Bible say?
“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”​—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.

The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased.

Is not this definition of hell more logical and in harmony with Scripture? What crime, however horrible, could cause a God of love to torture a person endlessly? (1 John 4:8)

Compare these Bible verses: Psalm 146:3, 4; Acts 2:25-27; Romans 6:7, 23

FACT:
God does not punish people in hell
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Myth 2: The Wicked Suffer in Hell — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Elvira said:
I'll take the Bible's word for it...
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That's your problem - you take the word of a discredited ancient book over science.

You didn't even watch the video.

Religion and science mix as well as oil and water.
Religion, in your case, is superstitious belief in writings 2-2500 years old. So believe that the Earth is flat and the revolves around it, believe that an epileptic fit is the possession of the devil....you want to take your wisdom from the Bible.

Whereas science is knowledge.
 
Rich2018 said:
That's your problem - you take the word of a discredited ancient book over science.

You didn't even watch the video.

Religion and science mix as well as oil and water.
Religion, in your case, is superstitious belief in writings 2-2500 years old. So believe that the Earth is flat and the revolves around it, believe that an epileptic fit is the possession of the devil....you want to take your wisdom from the Bible.

Whereas science is knowledge.
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God's endless wisdom trumps man's limited knowledge hands down...Ecclesiastes 8:16,17...
 
devildavid said:
There are no actual facts regarding a make believe concept.
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Maybe, but if we stop there then it gets really boring and we don't have much to talk about theologically.

For the sake of this discussion I'm assuming God exists and has certain qualities. It makes for more interesting pondering. For me, anyway.
 
Northern Light said:
Maybe, but if we stop there then it gets really boring and we don't have much to talk about theologically.

For the sake of this discussion I'm assuming God exists and has certain qualities. It makes for more interesting pondering. For me, anyway.
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There really is nothing to talk about. I find discussion pondering imaginary stuff silly and boring. Because there is nothing to ground the discussion in reality; it is just a bunch of people making stuff up and thinking it is profound.
 
devildavid said:
There really is nothing to talk about. I find discussion pondering imaginary stuff silly and boring. Because there is nothing to ground the discussion in reality; it is just a bunch of people making stuff up and thinking it is profound.
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That's also known as 'philosophy'.
 
devildavid said:
There really is nothing to talk about. I find discussion pondering imaginary stuff silly and boring. Because there is nothing to ground the discussion in reality; it is just a bunch of people making stuff up and thinking it is profound.
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For someone who has nothing to talk about, you sure ask a lotta questions...
 
devildavid said:
There really is nothing to talk about. I find discussion pondering imaginary stuff silly and boring. Because there is nothing to ground the discussion in reality; it is just a bunch of people making stuff up and thinking it is profound.
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Ok, so you think it's not real... is there anything more to say? Nope.

People have been asking who am I, why am I here, where did I/we come from, and how did the universe begin, since before recorded history. If you don't value the philosophical or spiritual angles of discussion, then there's no real reason to partake. Some of us find ontology and epistemology really interesting. It's got nothing to do with being delusional or ungrounded, which, frankly, is not only rude but an oversimplification of the entire school of philosophy.
 
Northern Light said:
Ok, so you think it's not real... is there anything more to say? Nope.

People have been asking who am I, why am I here, where did I/we come from, and how did the universe begin, since before recorded history. If you don't value the philosophical or spiritual angles of discussion, then there's no real reason to partake. Some of us find ontology and epistemology really interesting. It's got nothing to do with being delusional or ungrounded, which, frankly, is not only rude but an oversimplification of the entire school of philosophy.
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Amen...as well as a really stupid attitude to life...
 
Elvira said:
Amen...as well as a really stupid attitude to life...
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I wouldn't say it's stupid. A lot of people take a materialist, rational view of existence, and that's fine. I just think it's misplaced to enter a nuanced discussion about ontology and epistemology and declare that none of it is real so why bother talking about it.
 
Northern Light said:
I wouldn't say it's stupid. A lot of people take a materialist, rational view of existence, and that's fine. I just think it's misplaced to enter a nuanced discussion about ontology and epistemology and declare that none of it is real so why bother talking about it.
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That sounds kinda stupid to me...we were born with a spiritual need, some just choose to ignore it, yet it's always in the backs of their minds or they wouldn't be here talking about it...
 
Elvira said:
God's endless wisdom trumps man's limited knowledge hands down...Ecclesiastes 8:16,17...
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That may be...but there's no divine wisdom in your holy book.

Indeed it's full of things we would a backward tribe to believe 2-2500 years ago.


Like the Sun goes round the Earth.
 
devildavid said:
How can you know anything about the extent of god's wisdom?
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What "wisdom" we have from her god is in a book written 2-2500 years ago whose contents were decided by man, and whose writers believed 2,000 year old myths like the world is flat.
 
Elvira said:
That sounds kinda stupid to me...we were born with a spiritual need, some just choose to ignore it, yet it's always in the backs of their minds or they wouldn't be here talking about it...
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Whether that's true or not, people engage with it at various levels and that deserves to be respected -- from both sides.
 
Northern Light said:
Whether that's true or not, people engage with it at various levels and that deserves to be respected -- from both sides.
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I have no respect for those who's goal is to ridicule and mock...
 
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