Quarantine the infectious

[Phys251]

Yes, it's people like you that make everything a joke

0/10 projection attempt. You didn't even try. Please try harder next time. :lol:

 

[Phys251]

Why double-down on stupid?

A question that you should be asking yourself, but aren't.

 

[Visbek]

Population of NYC 8.623 mil, not inclusive of temporary tourist population and millions passing through to other destinations, nor commuters from suburbia. Corona infection cases in NYC 38k, deaths attributed to the infection less than 2,200. Less than .05% of the population infected, less than .004% of the population dead. How is this epic?

What are you, new? It's epic because COVID-19 spreads exponentially -- and with a "mere" 65,000 confirmed cases (not 38k, not anymore...), most of the hospitals in NYC are overwhelmed and almost out of supplies.

They set up 2,000 hospital beds in the Javits Center. When was the last time that happened?

They've stopped all non-essential surgeries. When was the last time that happened?

Hospital staff need to reuse PPE that is supposed to only be used once. When was the last time that happened?

Families are barred from visiting, they can't even accompany a patient into the ER. When was the last time that happened?

Does the flu force hospital staff to set up IV machines in the hall every year?

All of that is happening when a strict lockdown seems to have kept the number of new cases to around 4,000 per day for the past 2 weeks. If we didn't have any controls, NYC hospitals would be so utterly overrun that they would have to turn away thousands of patients, many of whom would die.

 

[JasperL]

Yes, we have far too many government regulations and hurdles in place. They were able to incorporate the private sector almost immediately. Lesson learned. We need to work on deregulation.

Regulations weren't the problem. They could have been waived back in January if necessary. Testing is a good example. We could have unleashed the private labs from the start but chose to rely on CDC. When that failed, we did outsource to the private labs and in my state they're doing 90% or more of the testing.

From what I've read of S. Korea, the big difference is they had planned long in advance, and followed their plan. We made it up at the federal level from day to day.

 

[OldFatGuy]

What are you, new? It's epic because COVID-19 spreads exponentially -- and with a "mere" 65,000 confirmed cases (not 38k, not anymore...), most of the hospitals in NYC are overwhelmed and almost out of supplies.

They set up 2,000 hospital beds in the Javits Center. When was the last time that happened?

They've stopped all non-essential surgeries. When was the last time that happened?

Hospital staff need to reuse PPE that is supposed to only be used once. When was the last time that happened?

Families are barred from visiting, they can't even accompany a patient into the ER. When was the last time that happened?

Does the flu force hospital staff to set up IV machines in the hall every year?

All of that is happening when a strict lockdown seems to have kept the number of new cases to around 4,000 per day for the past 2 weeks. If we didn't have any controls, NYC hospitals would be so utterly overrun that they would have to turn away thousands of patients, many of whom would die.

I'm here, you're not. The only "epic" is in the media and the subsequent fear in the minds of people. 38k, 65k or 130k cases, infinitesimal percentages of the overall population. My oldest son runs a trauma unit at a major hospital in Manhattan, my oldest daughter a Nurse practitioner at the same hospital and my younger daughter an RN at the same hospital. All three are complaining that 70% of the admitted patients are self appointed VIP hypochondriacs.

What is epic is my having to fight off three women when I grabbed one of the last packages of Charmin at Stop and Pee, and then fought off two others in the parking lot, to keep it.

I was brought into the ER at that same hospital by ambulance the year of the Staten Island Ferry crash. It was flu season, and patients were being treated on the hallway floors with ventilators. Then the crash victims started arriving, covered in blood with no place to put them or triage their condition. I was laying on the floor by the front desk, until the chief of the electro cardiac unit saw my name pop on a computer, and he personally escorted me up to the cardiac unit. He had personally installed my first pacemaker, my second, and I was on the way to him for a check of the unit, when I collapsed at Penn Station. So yes, the flu does have hospital staffs setting up ventilators and IVs in hallways every year. The rest, political hyperbole and over caution thanks to all that hyperbole.

Spoke with my cardiologist this morning, one of the top in his field in the entire city. He has scaled back patient visits to 3 afternoons from 4, because his patients who do need to see him, are afraid to leave their homes. Bored, sitting in his office hoping scheduled patients would show up, he called to discuss the stock market. Because of that fear, two of his patients died. You and your perpetuation of all that hyperbole remain partly responsible for those 2 deaths. Live now, knowing what you have accomplished.

 

[Taylor]

They were able to test extensively because they were prepared.

Again: The private sector had a role... to provide what the government ordered. The private sector was not in any way in charge.

Nobody claimed they were "in charge" of anything. Quit making up bs.

 

[Taylor]

0/10 projection attempt. You didn't even try. Please try harder next time. :lol:

You're the only one trying to be funny. Do you not know what "projection" means. Here, I'm glad to assist:

Psychological projection - Wikipedia

That's two things you've learned today. You're welcome.

 

[Parrish]

I am working 7 am to about midnight every day and night - none of which I want or need to do because of this - and none if was even my job - and all employees are working overtime - for you because we are the #1 supplier of two considered "critically essential" covid-19 products. For one of those we are the highest volume manufacturer by far. For both, no matter who it is bought from, it very likely actually it came from us wholesale, private labeling for other companies or bulk.

When this first hit we experienced an increase in sales over 2,000% in the first 24 hours. Day 3 as it continued to grow massively - with waves of furious and panic calls - we ended all sales just to catch up, while deciding whether to reopen at all. We don't want this and don't need it. Rather, why not just give the employees a year's pay and shut it all down? Permanently. Throw all it away fast as possible, lock the doors and walk away? We know some other businesses that already have done so. But, then, that is one goal of this anyway - eliminate all brick and mortar businesses other than of the wealthiest corporations.

We went back up out of a sense of some social duty, but actually I have no empathy/sympathy whatsoever for any of you other than children - and then blame their parents and grandparents. So we are again considering just permanently closing. We owe none of you anything, nearly all of you are in this situation for total irresponsibility, recklessness, amoral and immoral reasons, for which I see Americans - nearly all Americans - as slavery profiteers not different than slave owners - and I see nearly all of you as fools and chumps lacking the rationality of chimpazees because they don't destroy themselves and their territory in the jungle.

Simply, I am not being safe to stay welland giving away days of my life I'll never get back for you, no me. I rapidly think doing so is both foolish and wrong. It might even be unethical to help anyone this way. People should bear the consequences of their own actions and inactions. Americans did this to themselves and all reasons are stupid, amoral and immoral reasons - and have no intention of ever stopping either.

Would you voluntarily work double shifts 7 days a week - all for money you absolutely do not need - to protect white slave profiteers who are sitting safely at home among all their non-white slave labor and imported stuff they so treasure as their measure of happiness so much they are willing to die for it? Willing to kill my family and I to have it too?

That is the question I am considering. But, then, I did not grow up to 24/7 TV infomercials of the wealthiest corporations and people on earth - because all that is on TV, all that is on what you call "news" stations. FOX, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS and the reason are all owned and totally controlled by a dozen or so of the wealthiest people on earth. Their singular interests is profit. Therefore, everything you see on TV - anything, comedy, sit-coms, news, all of it, is infomercials every second - though they will take money selling time so others can buy time for their 15 to 30 commercials. All the rest of time it is their commericals. The 24/7 every day "news" in covid-19 is 24/7 corporate infomercial for their profit.

eace

A grateful nation thanks you.

You do not know me. And again, stay safe.eace

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

North Korea, where starving people eat grass, had and has money for testing? South Korea which admitted having less than 1k testing kits tested just the infected and their contacts?

Not even bothering to question how the testing of the obviously infected protects anyone else.

What are you talking about?

South Korea has the highest per capita testing rate

How One Firm's Covid-19 Tests Help Control The Virus In South Korea

According to Forbes, SK is producing 1 million lots a week ( article from last week)

 

[Taylor]

Regulations weren't the problem. They could have been waived back in January if necessary. Testing is a good example. We could have unleashed the private labs from the start but chose to rely on CDC.

I can't agree. We shouldn't need to waive bad regulations. Regulations shouldn't hinder our ability to fight a pandemic. If we don't learn from this, we're doomed to repeat it.

Hopefully we have learned our lesson and do involve the private sector immediately, rather than relying on a single lab at the CDC.

From what I've read of S. Korea, the big difference is they had planned long in advance, and followed their plan. We made it up at the federal level from day to day.

They clearly learned from mistakes in the past, as should we. I think we had a plan, but placed too much faith and reliance on a single entity to come through with a test. We should of had multiple teams tackling the problem from the get-go. That should be the strategy going forward for future administrations.

 

[joko104]

A grateful nation thanks you.

You do not know me. And again, stay safe.eace

True. Thank you. We are swamped with some many raging, sobbing, hysterical phone calls all are answering machines and maybe 1% are talked to or called back.

 

[Visbek]

I'm here, you're not.

Incorrect.

The only "epic" is in the media and the subsequent fear in the minds of people.

No, it isn't. Again: Even with such "minuscule" numbers, hospitals in NYC are under severe strain.

My oldest son runs a trauma unit at a major hospital in Manhattan...

Dude? Just stop. Your stories are impossible to prove, and always sooo convenient. Hard pass.

 

[joko104]

Incorrect.



No, it isn't. Again: Even with such "minuscule" numbers, hospitals in NYC are under severe strain.



Dude? Just stop. Your stories are impossible to prove, and always sooo convenient. Hard pass.

No reason not to believe him. Not everyone never did anything worth mentioning in their entire lives nor their children. Until clearing posting decisive significant contractions, I take posters at their word.

However there is massive xenophobia in the sense that if any posting anything of doing anything successful, any personal success or wealth or is outside of what people see on TV will start ranting the person is a liar. See that all the time. It's throw at me all the time.

Put him ignore if it bothers you. His messages actually are quite consistent overall.

 

[Parrish]

True. Thank you. We are swamped with some many raging, sobbing, hysterical phone calls all are answering machines and maybe 1% are talked to or called back.

And thanks for taking the time to post here all day while being "swamped with some many raging, sobbing, hysterical phone calls all are answering machines and maybe 1% are talked to or called back."

 

[joko104]

And thanks for taking the time to post here all day while being "swamped with some many raging, sobbing, hysterical phone calls all are answering machines and maybe 1% are talked to or called back."

I take no customer calls myself. My primary tasks now is the very challenging procurement of necessary items such as bottles - when they are out all over the country and 100,000+ companies competing for them. I solved that for us - noting that solved it for everyone including merchants and retailers - brick-and-mortar plus online - as we want as much business to go to them as possible. We don't want this, any of it. We sell to them at or costs and maybe slightly below it now since the cost of much of what we use had gone pu 50, 100% or more. As suppliers are on their last inventory, they raise prices dramatically as a last-gasp. Others are just outright price gouging - but if they go beyond 200% I knock that down threatening to report them telling exactly who and what agency that we have a straight line too.

We have not raised our prices $1 - and haven't for a few years though could double prices and everyone would pay it, ever since all we wanted to do is get away from this and get our lives back. We (Mrs and I) aren't Scrouge and personally guys like Bezos are idiots to pursue endlessly more money than they could use in hundreds of lifetimes.

I studied that. They all have the same history. Their whole lifetime was expended pursuing becoming the wealthiest of all - getting more money anyway possible. Then in their old age they try to justify all the people they crushed, put out of business, didn't pay employees 1 penny more than they had to - pushing them to the max - by plowing money into charities to try to write their legacy and a philantropist. That is idiotic and the ethnics of that doesn't work for me in any possible way.

Spending 1 minute making money you absolutely will never possibly need at the expense of family time or personal time is outright idiotic. We made ours. Set for life. Time to give up the pursuit of wealth. I doubt few would do that at the level we did, but I didn't grow up with the non-stop corporate indoctrination all Americans in ordinary American culture did and the Mrs has her own different values that are metaphysical.

I've always picked off minutes here and there to vent or ramble as a mental diversion. We are all talking to ourselves. You know that, don't you.

 

[OldFatGuy]

What are you talking about?

6 weeks ago when S. Korea claimed it had no virus cases, as it erupted in nearby China, Korea had less than 1k kits, all Chinese produced.

Forbes gets suckered into publishing propaganda too often to be taken without a pound of salt.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Incorrect.



No, it isn't. Again: Even with such "minuscule" numbers, hospitals in NYC are under severe strain.



Dude? Just stop. Your stories are impossible to prove, and always sooo convenient. Hard pass.

You're not here. Those minuscule numbers are irrelevant of the hype on hospitals. Yes, hospitals are strained, but with how many demanding "treatment because they are special" and don't need to be in those hospitals?

No further conversation with any jerks who call me "dude."

 

[yankintx]

So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?

Without question yes!!

The problem is no test kits available. Good God the world has been caught lacking.

 

[yankintx]

It would not work in America because we don't have the testing infrastructure and contact tracing in place to do it. South Korea was able to keep the pandemic under control and keep their economy functioning because they had that testing infrastructure in place.

A lesson to be learnt.

 

[Paradoxical]

So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?

I would. I also think this stay at home order should be amended to only those over 65 or 70, which represents the age group where they are 80% of those who die. All those under 65-70 have just a 20% risk and should be free to carry on their normal routine. Those over 65-70 don't work, anyway as a general rule.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

6 weeks ago when S. Korea claimed it had no virus cases, as it erupted in nearby China, Korea had less than 1k kits, all Chinese produced.

Forbes gets suckered into publishing propaganda too often to be taken without a pound of salt.

South Korea had 111 reported cases on Feb 20. On Feb 16 29

After the novel coronavirus emerged in China, Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) raced to develop its tests and cooperated with diagnostic manufacturers to develop commercial test kits. The first test was approved on 7 February, when the country had just a few cases, and distributed to regional health centers. Just 11 days later, a 61-year-old woman, known as “Case 31,” tested positive. She had attended 9 and 16 February services at the Shincheonji megachurch in Daegu, about 240 kilometers southeast of Seoul, already feeling slightly ill. Upward of 500 attendees sit shoulder to shoulder on the floor of the church during 2-hour services, according to local news reports.
The country identified more than 2900 new cases just in the next 12 days, the vast majority Shincheonji members. On 29 February alone, KCDC reported more than 900 new cases, bringing the cumulative total to 3150 and making the outbreak the largest by far outside mainland China. The surge initially overwhelmed testing capabilities and KCDC’s 130 disease detectives couldn’t keep up, Kim says. Contact tracing efforts were concentrated on the Shincheonji cluster, in which 80% of those reporting respiratory symptoms proved positive, compared with only 10% in other clusters.

Coronavirus cases have dropped sharply in South Korea. What’s the secret to its success? | Science | AAAS

Every news article states that SK has been testing heavily that they are making the testing kits.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Not to worry, our Trump loving brethren down South already have all the masks they need.

 

[joko104]

You're not here. Those minuscule numbers are irrelevant of the hype on hospitals. Yes, hospitals are strained, but with how many demanding "treatment because they are special" and don't need to be in those hospitals?

No further conversation with any jerks who call me "dude."

:thumbs:

 

[joko104]

Not to worry, our Trump loving brethren down South already have all the masks they need.

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The KKK is a Democratic organization. Always has been. The KKK endorsed Clinton, not Trump. Trump blasted the KKK and David Duke over 2 decades ago, quitting a political organization when David Duke joined. Bill Clinton openly sought the vote of Confederate flag flyers.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Why double-down on stupid?

The countries that were able to get tests up and running quickly got government out of the way and put the private sector to work immediately. It was only after we finally did that that we were able to ramp up testing.

That post is so divorced from reality that there is no point in even countering it. Just live in that delusion and don't let me get in your way.