Quarantine the infectious

[Lord Tammerlain]

What's Canada's test rate?

As of April 2 2020

Canada has tested more than 255,000 people for a per capita rate of 650 tests per 100,000, well ahead of Italy and the U.S. the hardest hit by COVID-19, but well back of South Korea who has done roughly 800 per capita.
Since its first case in February, Iceland has launched ambitious testing for the virus. Anyone on the island – home to about 364,000 people – can get tested. They do not need to have recently travelled abroad or even have to be showing any symptoms.

Canada may be missing thousands of coronavirus cases, experts say - National | Globalnews.ca

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Nope, that would be using common sense. What makes no sense is giving away money to the majority of folks who did not lose any income to in order to try to buy votes in an election year.

Common sense is not too common.

Performing lots of tests, and quarantining people who tested positive, then requiring isolation for those that were in close contact with the infected would be common sense, but outside of Asia, people did not want to do that in any real sense

 

[Visbek]

So you'd rather repeat a slow response mired in government regulation than save lives with a response of the sort South Korea was able to do with the private sector?

"Private sector?!?" What the...?

Do you really not understand what South Korea did? They got hit by SARS years ago, so the *cough* government prepared well in advance for a similar event. Back when South Korea had a handful of cases, when infected people were identified, they were quickly tested, as were people they had encountered and all their relatives. The *cough* government engaged in a big public campaign, massive testing (free of charge), highly invasive tracking techniques (mostly via cell phones). The *cough* government sends out alerts about anyone who has a positive test, so that anyone who crossed paths with that individual knows to get tested (and voluntarily does so). The *cough* government sanitized the streets in hot spots.

Oh, and the *cough* government encouraged social distancing. They didn't need to make it mandatory, because the public voluntarily isolated itself.

All of this, by the way, only works when there is high trust in the government.... and small hot spots. It can't work if the virus spreads widely.

The private sector had a role... to provide what the government ordered. The private sector was not in any way in charge.

Despite all this, South Korea is hardly free of COVID-19. As soon as they let up, the virus can spread. And if it spreads too widely, then they'll have to do the same kind of lockdowns as every other nation.

So, I really have no idea why you think South Korea had some sort of "private sector" response.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Yes, we have far too many government regulations and hurdles in place. They were able to incorporate the private sector almost immediately. Lesson learned. We need to work on deregulation.

South Korea's healthcare system is much more regulated than ours is.

 

[joko104]

False OP poll - not even considering the practical questions of is it even possible, which it would not be by an measure. "Lock them up" where? Would you work at such a location with you given nothing but an N95 mask and nitrile or latex gloves once a day?

"Would it be ok to lock up everyone on earth in solitary confinement - no exceptions - if it stopped the virus in 14 days?" would be closer to accurate, but not really even that would work.

It is amazing that most people are voting yes. Alarming and sickening is more accurate.

It confirms that the power of the super rich thru their MSM, press and internet they totally own and control is now unlimited in the United States But people totally consumed in fear and hate experience lose of all mental capacity. The nation IQ of the peasant of the United States is now below that of the threshold of mental retardation. The USA is now truly an idiocracy.

 

[joko104]

Since people are already under stay-at-home orders, what's the point?

The exact same poll question could be for any flu or any other virus that kills old people, sick people, middle aged people and children.

The only thing that would work is permanently locking up everyone earth. Then when everyone in the world had starved to death no virus would ever kill anyone ever again.

Destroying ourselves would mean the virus couldn't and they would no longer have human hosted to replicate in. That'd teach those virus not to mess with us.

 

[joko104]

No money in testing as private citizens will not want to pay for their own testing, having the government pay for it is "socialized medicine" so people will go around infected and infect others

People are stupid. Most now actually believe that a covid-19 test both a vacine and a cure.

Tens of millions of people in the USA are carrying covid-19. Most suffer little to no harmful effects. Some are already past being infected. The valid of the test is if someone is sick, they can determine if it is covid-19 or not.

 

[joko104]

Like getting locked up by the "Pre-crime Unit" in the movie Minority Report.

Remember the line: "Everybody runs?"

 

[Taylor]

South Korea's healthcare system is much more regulated than ours is.

Good thing they don't rely on the healthcare system (or government) to develop tests.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Good thing they don't rely on the healthcare system (or government) to develop tests.

Other than possibly North Korea, what government on earth would manufacture their own tests? Governments always contract with private manufacturers for the production of tests and vaccines (though the development of them is often publicly funded).

How South Korea Scaled Coronavirus Testing While the U.S. Fell Dangerously Behind — ProPublica

BTW, Trump could have approved the use of the WHO tests back in January with an executive order. He could have then used the Defense Production Act to compel suppliers to produce them.

 

[Peter King]

So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?

I would OK locking people up in their homes who do not social distance, how about that option? Sick people already are at home.

The only infectious people out there who are not in bed or hospital don't know they are sick because OF THE LACK OFF TESTS!!!

 

[Parrish]

Stay home. Now it's called being patriotic instead of lazy.

Stay home, be a patriot and post all day and all night.eace

 

[OldFatGuy]

So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?

How will you make that work for the asymptomatic infected? Those without fever, displaying no symptoms of consequence.

Korea, Taiwan and Singapore claim to be virus free. They also claim not to suffer:

 

[Waddy]

So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?

Has zip to do with test kits.

I voted yes, but Americans ain't gonna do that. No way, no how. Not built for lock down. And Korea, Singapore and Taiwan ain't governments you want to mess with. They say stay locked down, you stay locked down. You simply can't boss around Americans like that. Hell, we won't even obey a speed limit. Here people who know they're positive are still going out.

Considering I saw people picnicking, playing basketball and sitting in groups at the lake this weekend while I was "social distancing" on my pontoon boat, I must ask again.....

What is this "lock down" you keep talking about?

 

[swing_voter]

How will you make that work for the asymptomatic infected? Those without fever, displaying no symptoms of consequence.

Korea, Taiwan and Singapore claim to be virus free. They also claim not to suffer:

You need tests to test if someone is infectious but asymptomatic.

 

[Lovebug]

Two week 100% lockdown is trivial both economically and mentally. 2 weeks sick leave from government...done. Granted, we don’t have testing up to make that the silver bullet this late..but boy would that have been nice. Non-compliance of our rowdy population and right wing media ensures ts hard to make work on a voluntary basis.

Don't forget going to China town or do business as usual. But true, those now have reversed their thinking, while the bible belt is still holding out.

 

[Lovebug]

what are they doing in Russia? do they still have wifi there if that happens?

Siberia probably doesn't.

 

[Lovebug]

South Korea's healthcare system is much more regulated than ours is.

This is anecdotal, watching TV. The SKs seem to be pretty tidy people on the best of days, glove, gown, mask when prepping foods like Kimchee. Around here, you see people coughing over food without thinking twice about it. Of course those may be the exception.

 

[joko104]

Stay home. Now it's called being patriotic instead of lazy.

Stay home, be a patriot and post all day and all night.eace

It's stupid and lazy.

 

[joko104]

How will you make that work for the asymptomatic infected? Those without fever, displaying no symptoms of consequence.

Korea, Taiwan and Singapore claim to be virus free. They also claim not to suffer:

You actually listened to that entire song?

 

[Helix]

Siberia probably doesn't.

I don't think that the election interference efforts are based there. Hopefully those in management have instituted a troll from home policy.

 

[Helix]

How will you make that work for the asymptomatic infected? Those without fever, displaying no symptoms of consequence.

Korea, Taiwan and Singapore claim to be virus free. They also claim not to suffer:

FFS, what did I just watch?

 

[Lovebug]

I don't think that the election interference efforts are based there. Hopefully those in management have instituted a troll from home policy.

You made me laugh, so there

 

[Taylor]

It goes much further than that, that's the problem with Republican Voters like you, you don't understand what you believe beyond the bumper sticker slogan, the basic idea, deregulation and privatization solves all is totally not what occurred in South Korea.

It's government was more efficient, took it seriously (something the moron you support did not) and had a plan that yes, utilized their very good bio-tech industry, but still used the full weight of government to enact and the fact is they had just recently had a potentially serious problem with MERS and so had at least some experience dealing with something like this, though not as infectious.

Yes, they learned their lesson from SARS and MERS and were able to get government out of the way of progress. Question is, will the people you blindly vote for allow us to do the same in this country?

 

[Taylor]

"Private sector?!?" What the...?

Do you really not understand what South Korea did? They got hit by SARS years ago, so the *cough* government prepared well in advance for a similar event. Back when South Korea had a handful of cases, when infected people were identified, they were quickly tested, as were people they had encountered and all their relatives. The *cough* government engaged in a big public campaign, massive testing (free of charge), highly invasive tracking techniques (mostly via cell phones). The *cough* government sends out alerts about anyone who has a positive test, so that anyone who crossed paths with that individual knows to get tested (and voluntarily does so). The *cough* government sanitized the streets in hot spots.

Oh, and the *cough* government encouraged social distancing. They didn't need to make it mandatory, because the public voluntarily isolated itself.

All of this, by the way, only works when there is high trust in the government.... and small hot spots. It can't work if the virus spreads widely.

The private sector had a role... to provide what the government ordered. The private sector was not in any way in charge.

Despite all this, South Korea is hardly free of COVID-19. As soon as they let up, the virus can spread. And if it spreads too widely, then they'll have to do the same kind of lockdowns as every other nation.

So, I really have no idea why you think South Korea had some sort of "private sector" response.

So... you don't know how they were able to do so much testing. Got it.