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Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’

CLAX1911 said:
Does he not? Is your "god" vengful and spiteful? Why would you worship such a petty figure?
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Aren't you a church going gay man, or did you lose your fairh?
 
AGENT J said:
LOL
how does ones sexual orientation "tear families apart" and "destroy relationships"
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Easy. Just chose to be straight, and you're homophobic family will not reject you.
 
maquiscat said:
Doesn't the Pope get to change doctrine? I mean it's been done before such as when the church changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, or when they decided that marriage would only be recognized by them if it happened under them.

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The Pope supposedly has this thing, iirc, where he can speak from the papal seat in some kind of official/specific manner and it's treated as infallible. So it's not an all the time type of thing, especially in so much of an informal setting.

My overall point was two-fold (speaking doctrinally here):

1. God didn't create humans in all the forms that exist today. He created them as perfect beings exemplified in Adam and Eve and how they were to pair and exist. It was after eating from the Tree of Good and Evil, which brought sin into the world, that all the derivations that now exist came into being. This is different than saying that God wanted to create homosexuals or w/e. Now, I think his overarching point, which may have been misunderstood, is that God loves everyone, to include homosexuals. That the whole poor treatment of homosexuals and their condemnation by a significant portion of Christians is wrong, and that is correct.

2. The position of the Pope itself, to include the Roman Catholic Church, is not something that is doctrinally supported and is merely a construct created by people within the Christian beliefs, no different than all the numerous other denominations out there. The RCC, to include the Pope, do not hold any special authority. Additionally, the institution did much to harm (at least in the past) Christianity when it married with state power around 300 AD, when the RCC was created with Constantine. Christianity is not a state institution and it should never be one.
 
Elvira said:
The long term effects are death...1 Cor. 6:9,10

Short term effects are endless within the family and other loved ones...their acts have indeed torn families apart...destroyed relationships...
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If you choose to disown or disfellowship people you are tearing families apart. Your organization is tearing families apart. Your own hubris is the problem.
 
SheWolf said:
Easy. Just chose to be straight, and you're homophobic family will not reject you.
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LOL ;)

sounds like what was being implied....
 
CLAX1911 said:
not much of a church goer and no I didn't lose my faith. I never had faith in Jehovah's witnesses.
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Why do you think you worship a different God from her?
 
Elvira said:
Doesn't matter..the OP is stating that is the way God made them and they don't have to change...that goes for homosexual, as well as pedophile or serial murderer...they were all made by God, according to the statement the Pope made...
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All people were made by God. We're they not?
 
Elvira said:
You can't have one rule for one thing and not the other.
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That isn't what is happening.

..if God made homosexuals, he made all sorts of men the way they are...plain and simple...
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God made all people. The way they are isn't relevant to them being made.
 
Elvira said:
And your lacking the understanding of exactly what Jesus was referring to is duly noted...he was referring to the first-century Pharisees who were judging others harshly, according to their unscriptural traditions...his counsel had nothing to do with the commands given in the scriptures, like 1 Cor. 6:9,10, for instance...
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No, and the scriptures in said passage have nothing to do with homosexuality.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Wasn't answering imaginary questions. I made a statement.
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A statement that begs the question of who does/did? You responded to me with that statement and I was asking for the context in which you were making it because it was not applicable.
 
Dittohead not! said:
[h=1]Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’[/h]


The more I hear about the Pope, the better I like him, and I'm not even Catholic.
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Unless the Pope has changed his thinking, I am under the impression that the Pope means that God loves him but he doesn't love the sin of homosexuality. So don't get too excited.

What I fear is being missed here though, is the fact that what the Pope said doesn’t really contradict the church’s teaching in any way. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (a summary of official church teaching and doctrines, the latest of which was compiled by Pope John Paul II in 1992), does acknowledge that the “number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible”, advocating that they “be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity” (Catechism 2358).

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered’. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved” (Catechism 2357).
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...rch-same-sex-marriage-catechism-a8361821.html
 
Dittohead not! said:
Jesus didn't write the absurdities found in Leviticus.
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Wait a minute.
If Jesus existed (as a man), yes, as Leviticus was supposedly given to Moses, so it would have been around long before Jesus was born.
If Jesus existed (as some believe, as one part of the whole of G_d) then Jesus (being G_d) actually was the author and Moses just wrote it down.


Dittohead not! said:
Men wrote that, then translated it, re translated it and changed the meaning until now we can dismiss the injunction against planting two kinds of crops in the same field, and of considering homosexuality an abomination.
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Please show these so-called changes in the Torah's Vayikra that supports your claim.




iguanaman said:
So are you "unclean" or not?
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If I was, or was not, would not matter to this discussion


iguanaman said:
Also either it is a sin to be attracted to the same sex or not. The sex act is the result of attraction.
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The passage here was from Leviticus. It says the "act" is the abomination, and that they should surely be put to death.


iguanaman said:
Lusting in your mind is not hidden from God.
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Irrelevant to the specific passage of Leviticus presented.
If you want try to find in the Torah where lusting is a sin, go ahead. If you find such a passage then lay out the punishment for it as Leviticus lays out for the abomination of the gay sex that it speaks about.
 
Fishking said:
A statement that begs the question of who does/did?
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How is my statement circular logic?

You responded to me with that statement and I was asking for the context in which you were making it because it was not applicable.
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You were talking about your interpretation of doctrine. Most people think their interpretation of doctrine is the correct one and all others are wrong. Thus doctrine replaces God.
 
CLAX1911 said:
How is my statement circular logic?
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Err....wut? It's not circular logic. That's not what "begs the question" means. You made a statement about people not worshiping doctrine and I'm asking you who/what you're referring to. I don't see what's confusing.

You were talking about your interpretation of doctrine. Most people think their interpretation of doctrine is the correct one and all others are wrong. Thus doctrine replaces God.
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Doctrine doesn't replace God but at a certain point, if your doctrine is too far off, then you can easily change the entire concept of God. It can be to the point where there is no God, if your doctrine takes the position that God and all the teachings are all metaphorical and only guidelines that ones chooses to live by or not, just one way of many.
 
TheGoverness said:
That has nothing to do with what I said. You are blaming the actions of gay people for "breaking families apart". And that's 150% victim blaming garbage.
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Exactly. Did the gays reject their families? Or did their families reject them? Stop loving and caring about them?

And then who's the real Christian? The gay person, not the rest of the family (if Christian.)
 
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