Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’

[Lursa]

I saw it happen with my BIL...his family accepted him for who he was but he still fought within himself...so much so that he drank himself to death...he died of cirrhosis of the liver...he was a genuinely good person with a good heart whom I dearly loved but he could not accept himself...

How incredibly sad. He read God's Word, as interpreted by fragile imperfect men, and could not feel God's love and acceptance. Religion killed your BIL. Not God and not homosexuality.

I am sorry for your loss.

 

[CLAX1911]

Err....wut? It's not circular logic. That's not what "begs the question" means.

Yes it is.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

You made a statement about people not worshiping doctrine and I'm asking you who/what you're referring to.

You should have asked that instead of misusing the phrase "begging the question."

I don't see what's confusing.

You nite asking me to put something in context when that is what you wanted.

Doctrine doesn't replace God but at a certain point, if your doctrine is too far off, then you can easily change the entire concept of God.

Splitting hairs.

It can be to the point where there is no God, if your doctrine takes the position that God and all the teachings are all metaphorical and only guidelines that ones chooses to live by or not, just one way of many.

So when you interpret things to mean what you want them to mean or you believe whatever group you belong to interprets it properly because you like it best you are doing exactly that.

 

[lefty louie]

DIdnt read it, please summarize your main point and then I may verify.

That's OK, you past on a link you asked for, I'll pass on your invite to break it down for you. Bye.

 

[Lursa]

That's OK, you past on a link you asked for, I'll pass on your invite to break it down for you. Bye.

I asked specifically about lesbians. You could have posted a sentence or stat from your link. I'm not going fishing thru the whole thing.

Do you realize that most of the time when I do...and I mean *most*...I find that the person hasnt even read it or understood it correctly and it's wrong?

 

[year2late]

Exactly. Did the gays reject their families? Or did their families reject them? Stop loving and caring about them?

And then who's the real Christian? The gay person, not the rest of the family (if Christian.)

I grew up in SF. I worked at a place in the mid seventies where most of my coworkers were gay men. No SF natives. All refugees from their out of state Christian families that had kicked them out. Occasionally there was a family member who risked similar familial exile for communicating with them. I could not fathom family kicking their child out because his sexual preference. I could not fathom using Jesus/God as the reason for never speaking to your child again.

WWJD? Not that.

 

[vegas giants]

No. If you think you have a valid argument against something I say (which you clearly do not have), you take it up with me.

Your God said eating shellfish is an abomination. That is a stone cold fact. Don't quote Leviticus unless you believe in all of it

 

[CLAX1911]

That's OK, you past on a link you asked for, I'll pass on your invite to break it down for you. Bye.

Your link is a bunch of averages. What argumentative value does it hold?

 

[Fishking]

Splitting hairs.

So when you interpret things to mean what you want them to mean or you believe whatever group you belong to interprets it properly because you like it best you are doing exactly that.

I don't particularly believe it's splitting hairs. If your doctrine says that Jesus is an ice cream cone you're not a Christian. There are acceptable standards and deviations that can be allowed but not having any standards or norms turns entire concepts into specious concepts that have no meaning.

To put it into a purely secular analogy, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic, despite calling itself that.

 

[Daisy]

How incredibly sad. He read God's Word, as interpreted by fragile imperfect men, and could not feel God's love and acceptance. Religion killed your BIL. Not God and not homosexuality.

I am sorry for your loss.

Thank you, Lursa...his family are all JW's...we loved and accepted him...still do...it was not religion that killed him but society in general, as well as his own inner demons...

 

[Casper]

[h=1]Pope Tells Gay Man: ‘God Made You Like This and Loves You Like This’[/h]


The more I hear about the Pope, the better I like him, and I'm not even Catholic.

Excellent!

 

[Excon]

Your God said eating shellfish is an abomination. That is a stone cold fact. Don't quote Leviticus unless you believe in all of it

And you have no point, as being temporarily unclean is the result of such an abomination, which is totally unlike the punishment of death for the abomination of gay sex.

 

[trixare4kids]

I don't like this Pope, but what he said was spot on IMO.

Would you still say this Pope is spot on if you knew that what he really said was that he loves the sinner but hates the sinner? He loves the homosexual but he hates the act of Gay sex because of the reasons I stated in my last post above. IOW, acting on homosexuality according to the Pope and the RC Church's teachings is still a sin but they do welcome homosexuals into the church and ask for others to love and accept them.

 

[vegas giants]

And you have no point, as being temporarily unclean is the result of such an abomination, which is totally unlike the punishment of death for the abomination of gay sex.

Eating shellfish is an abomination unto God according to Leviticus. That is a stone cold facts. If you eat a lobster you are committing an abomination unto God. You better get after those crab eaters. Lol

 

[Daisy]

Eating shellfish is an abomination unto God according to Leviticus. That is a stone cold facts. If you eat a lobster you are committing an abomination unto God. You better get after those crab eaters. Lol

For the nation of Israel...did you bother to read the link I gave you?

 

[CLAX1911]

I don't particularly believe it's splitting hairs. If your doctrine says that Jesus is an ice cream cone you're not a Christian.

If your doctrine out really opinion because that is all it is, says other people aren't Christians if they don't agree with you is a fallacious idea. It's a "no true Scotsman.." fallacy.

There are acceptable standards and deviations that can be allowed

Allowed by what?

but not having any standards or norms turns entire concepts into specious concepts that have no meaning.

So not agreeing with you is not having any standards or norms?

To put it into a purely secular analogy, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic, despite calling itself that.

So you defiantly aren't nier Korea because....?

 

[Excon]

Eating shellfish is an abomination unto God according to Leviticus. That is a stone cold facts. If you eat a lobster you are committing an abomination unto God. You better get after those crab eaters. Lol

And again, you have no point, as being temporarily unclean is the result of such an abomination, which is totally unlike the punishment of death for the abomination of gay sex.

Do you really not understand the difference?

 

[vegas giants]

For the nation of Israel...did you bother to read the link I gave you?

I read Leviticus. It does not say for the nation of Israel. But are you saying homosexuality is only an abomination to the nation of israel? You can't have it both ways

 

[vegas giants]

And again, you have no point, as being temporarily unclean is the result of such an abomination, which is totally unlike the punishment of death for the abomination of gay sex.

Do you really not understand the difference?

The word temporary is not in Leviticus. You just made that up. It says abomination

 

[Daisy]

I read Leviticus. It does not say for the nation of Israel. But are you saying homosexuality is only an abomination to the nation of israel? You can't have it both ways

No, but eating shellfish is/was before Jesus Christ came...he fulfilled/ended that law...

 

[vegas giants]

No, but eating shellfish is/was before Jesus Christ came...he fulfilled/ended that law...

So homosexuality is no longer an abomination. Is Leviticus just a Chinese menu to you guys.....one from column a and 2 from column b

 

[DiAnna]

I saw it happen with my BIL...his family accepted him for who he was but he still fought within himself...so much so that he drank himself to death...he died of cirrhosis of the liver...he was a genuinely good person with a good heart whom I dearly loved but he could not accept himself...

Probably because his In-Laws sounded just like you do, spouting "abomination" nonsense, bible verses, etc., all designed to make him feel dirty, small, and inferior to "real" human beings, i.e., heterosexuals. It's difficult enough for gays and others who do not fit the "accepted parameters" of a dozen different religious sects and bigotry of the sanctimonious and petty; but to have to live with one's family (in-laws) tearing him down day after day, year after year, hell, no wonder the poor guy drank.

 

[DiAnna]

WTF? What does alcoholism have to do with being gay? Do you think all gays are alcoholics or something?

Haven't you heard? Only homosexuals die of cirrhosis; heterosexuals never do... oh, wait. :lol:

 

[Fishking]

If your doctrine out really opinion because that is all it is, says other people aren't Christians if they don't agree with you is a fallacious idea. It's a "no true Scotsman.." fallacy.

Allowed by what?

So not agreeing with you is not having any standards or norms?

So you defiantly aren't nier Korea because....?

Yes, all definitions and concepts have various levels of standards and norms. How is this difficult for you to understand? We accept this as true, day in and day out, for so many things but somehow here it's just baffling you.

To come back to your "no true Scotsman" fallacy...I would counter with, if you weren't born in Scotland, have no Scottish lineage, and don't have Scottish citizenship, then you're not a Scotsman. Even that fallacy is based on the premise that there is a standard, and that is that you are actually Scottish.

Again, the DPRK is not a republic nor a democracy, despite them naming themselves that.

 

[trixare4kids]

Would you still say this Pope is spot on if you knew that what he really said was that he loves the sinner but hates the sin? He loves the homosexual but he hates the act of Gay sex because of the reasons I stated in my last post above. IOW, acting on homosexuality according to the Pope and the RC Church's teachings is still a sin but they do welcome homosexuals into the church and ask for others to love and accept them.

Too late to use the edit function, so I will correct the word above to reflect.... Change the word sinner to sin.

 

[TheGoverness]

Would you still say this Pope is spot on if you knew that what he really said was that he loves the sinner but hates the sinner? He loves the homosexual but he hates the act of Gay sex because of the reasons I stated in my last post above. IOW, acting on homosexuality according to the Pope and the RC Church's teachings is still a sin but they do welcome homosexuals into the church and ask for others to love and accept them.

Sinning is fun.