Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

[OlNate]

I love how this triggers the usualy suspects again.
I dont know what people THINK or MAKE up what white privileged is bt that wont stop it from existing in reality.

Its not an excuse, its not an answer to all things wrong, it doesn't mean there arent any successful non whites, it doesnt mean that all whites have it awesome, it doesnt mean people should feel guilty. Those are retarded things people say from both sides that has ZERO impact on the reality it exists. :shrug:

like i said early

take 100 white men and 100 black men. Make them identical in every way . . no difference and let them grow p in this country.

ON AVERAGE the white men will fair better based on society structure perceptions stereotypes and prejudice that unfortunately still lingers from the past. This is just basic common sense.

Does that mean none of the blacks will succeed? of course not
does that mean all of the whites will succeed? of course not
its just realty the avg of the whites will be better.

No honest conversation can be had without acknowledging that and leaving the retarded straw man claims at the door. It simply exists, that all

Stop being so damn right and logical, will you? You're gonna trigger someone...........plus, you're being racist.

Yup, I felt about as dumb saying that as I thought I would.

You are right, of course.

 

[RAMOSS]

1.) LMAO of course it is, its pure reality in this country and denying it is simply intellectually dishonest.
in this country if you take 100 white men and 100 black men and make them identical in every way but race . . money, family . . etc etc identical . .one avg whites will have it easier. Thats plain reality. Does that mean that every white person gets magical treatment and every black person gets nothing . . of course not, that would also be nonsense. But the reality is on avg the white group will fair better individually and over all. Ig a person cant see that, thats their own ignorance of reality to over come.
2.) Its "existence" is not an argument nor is acknowledging it a flaw in anyway. Now if you would like to discuss the depths of it and how it actually impacts things and etc etc of course that is debatable but not its existence
3.) where did i apply it to every white person? see, very quickly the only flaws exposed are your false assumptions about what it is, just like i said thats just topical ignorance. Please dont make stuff up ecause it will make it harder for you to grasp reality of this topic
4.) there actually nothing racist about acknowledging the fact it exists at all, it intellectual honesty is what it is
5.) again the only thing flawed and you just proved it is your made up definitions of what you claim doesn't exist. I would agree what you seem to be saying does not exist, but white privileged does,
6.) yes it is i agree 100% and that still doesnt change the fact that white privileged exists. I dont know what you falsely think it is but that is your issue not mine. sorry :shrug:

White privilege only exists in comparison. It's not so much that whites 'have privileges', but all other ethnic groups have disadvantages. In a true equitable society, those disadvantages would exist. That is why you have a perception that 'white privilege does not exist'. If you have two people starting off at the same level , theoretically, they should have equal opportunity to improve themselves. The white privilege comes in effect where the non-white has to work much harder to get half the result.

 

[calamity]

Yeah, something like that. It's been referred to as the "social contract" but I have never seen this contract in writing. Stuff like, responsibility, obedience to law, family values, work ethic, etc. All that 'white people' stuff. :roll:

White people never riot..

Oh, wait!

...unless they win the SuperBowl.

Then we just rename rioting to "overly exuberant celebration" :lol:

 

[TheGoverness]

Why wasn't Black Chester offered that deal?

Chester did get a plea deal. He rejected it.

 

[radcen]

White people never riot..

Oh, wait!

...unless they win the SuperBowl.

Then we just rename rioting to "overly exuberant celebration" :lol:

Rioting over sports victories is absolutely moronic.

 

[ludin]

Other factors are not relevant to majority advantage (white privelege) being a factor. To suggest so is absurd.

Also, unfortunately for you, race is related to what culture/family you will be born into. How can you not know these obvious things?


The field of mathematics deals in "proven facts". Science as related to sociological factors, does not deal in "proven facts". You need understand that to move on.
This says father's education level is the strongest (office for national statistics)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/23/fathers-education-child-success-school

So much for your "proof"


Words don't even describe how absurd this is.

All of which is influenced in part by minority disadvantage. So much for you isolating the real issues to "disprove" majority advantage.

The only thing that went out the window are your seemingly ignorant arguments. You still appear to know nothing of the actual term, keep up the good fight, your advantage can't overcome your defects, that's quite clear.

i see you can't refute actual facts otherwise you would have addressed them instead of just going uh huh because I say so.
the statistics don't lie. a 2 parent home has way more structured support and with only a 7% poverty rate proves this compared to a single family home.

the same applies to white single parents as well. the reason it is lower is that there are fewer white single parent homes than black people.
that has nothing to do with skin color.

Yep it is proof and it is very much proven. glad you agree that skin color has little to do with it.

it is only absurd because it destroys your "blame the white" guy spill.

way to be dishonest in quoting me. why can't you quote me properly?
nope my arguments are solid based on facts.

 

[calamity]

White privilege is not being called a thug, even when you are being a thug.

When white students at the Keene State College Pumpkin Festival threw rocks, glass, bottles, and even skateboards at police, set multiple fires, and forced police to respond with riot gear, rubber bullets, and tear gas, they were never declared “thugs.” When white people riot because their baseball team won, no one throws around the word “thugs.” But when black people respond to physical violence with protests against inanimate objects, that word is all you hear.

...White Riots explores the biased language so often employed by media to describe black Americans exercising their first amendment rights. And contrasts it with the kiddie-gloves treatment of everything from violent students to biker gang shootouts.

...take the word, “gang.” Black people wearing the blue of their sorority, Zeta Phi Beta, were reported to be in a gang. Groups of white men can wear matching jackets and murder nine people and injure 18 more in broad daylight, and the media will still describe them as a “social club.”

What Do You Call White Rioters? Anything But Thugs | HuffPost

 

[ludin]

lol...watch any show on court TV, count the number of Black judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys. Then get back to me.

Check out any list of fortune 500 CEO's and VP's. Count the number of people who are not white. Then get back to me.

Stop at a bar on the side of the road in, let's say, Kansas. Count the number of white people, Asians and Blacks. Then get back to me.

lmao TV judges.

typical non-argument nonsense thanks for the laugh though.

 

[ludin]

White privilege is not being called a thug, even when you are being a thug.

nope they are thugs as well.

 

[nota bene]

Todd Kohlhepp, an admitted Serial Killer, established a successful Real Estate Business in South Carolina. Upon discovery last year of a chained woman inside a storage container on Todd's 95 acre estate, Todd admitted to repeatedly sexually abusing the woman and to the murder of multiple people over a period of more than ten years.

Did 'White Privilege" help Todd become a successful Real Estate Broker and elude arrest for so many years? Can you identify a similar case involving a Black Person?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Kohlhepp

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By "similar case" do you mean black serial killers who are also real estate agents?

Or are you focused on how long the serial killer evaded arrest? If so, I'm thinking of Chester Turner, the LA "Southside Killer," who, despite being arrested for other crimes several times, wasn't connected to the killings for seven years and until a sample of his DNA was obtained.

And then there is Coral Eugene Watts, who killed women from Michigan to Texas from 1974 until 1982. (He was a schizophrenic, and somebody I knew taught him in prison and said that when he was one his meds, he was a nice person.) Carl Eugene Watts | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

I don't know that it's so much race as it is occupation that matters here. And killing pattern. Some serial killers are spree killers.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

I have a proposal for those of you remiss about your White Privilege -

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Free yourself from guilt! Enjoy the multiple Blessings!

 

[Captain America]

White people never riot..

Oh, wait!

...unless they win the SuperBowl.

Then we just rename rioting to "overly exuberant celebration" :lol:

Apparently, I have done a poor job of communicating to you my personal point of view.

If you go back to my previous posts, you will note that I am already on record as stating that doing the "right" thing is not monopolized by any race. One does not have to be 'white' to do the right thing. Doing the 'right' thing is not an issue of color but rather an issue of character.

I was being satiric when I replied to your post suggesting that because many in the black culture choose not to do the 'right' thing as determined by me, a 'white' guy, I am the one at fault here.

Again, doing the 'right' thing is not a color coded task. Right is right, wrong is wrong and the understood 'social contract' in American society, is understood to be acts of obeying the laws, determined by collective representation, being responsible, having family values established by societies norm and the laws of nature, as well as all the good things that makes a society a good society.

It almost appears as if you are saying the black American society is unable to abide by the given demands of a social contract. That is an insult to black people if you really think about it but I digress. That would be up to a black person to decide if they are offended by that.

I know a LOT of black folks holding up their end to the 'social contract' so don't anyone say it can't be done. Don't anyone ever say that doing the right thing is owned by white people because it is not. All people, who aspire to be of good character, will do a a lot better in life than the other people who choose to live outside the behaviors considered to be acceptable. Matters not their skin color. It's about character.

Making excuses or pressing blame on others for the lack of 'character' in many dregs of our society, only serves to enable and propagate such behaviors that further harm society.

Sometimes, you just have to tell it like it is. You cannot fix a problem until you acknowledge a problem exists. Sorry I have to be the messenger. It ain't easy being me.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)White privilege only exists in comparison. It's not so much that whites 'have privileges', but all other ethnic groups have disadvantages.
2.) In a true equitable society, those disadvantages would exist. That is why you have a perception that 'white privilege does not exist'. If you have two people starting off at the same level , theoretically, they should have equal opportunity to improve themselves. The white privilege comes in effect where the non-white has to work much harder to get half the result.

1.) Im fine with that assessment and have no problem with it. Thats because thats honest conversation.
2.) correct . . .and of course that is reality and thats ignoring the melodramatic, dishonest, triggered, false outrage questions of you mean EVERT WHITE PERSON HAS IT EASY??? of course you didnt say that though. . . but thats what the extremist and dishonest hear/read.

Good job and good post

 

[calamity]

White Privilege: When George W Bush gets a degree from Yale and Donald Trump gets one from Wharton, they earned it. When Barack Obama gets one from Harvard and his wife Michelle gets one from Princeton--Affirmative Action.

 

[AGENT J]

i see you can't refute actual facts
nope my arguments are solid based on facts.

what facts? LMAO we are waiting . . why cant you answer? Please post the facts that make white privilege not exist
opcorn2:

any bets it NEVER happens?

 

[ludin]

If you pull your head out for a sec, you'll see multiple places throughout the two threads you and I have been...chatting...where I said guilt need not be a part of this whatsoever. Sorry that doesn't fit your copy and paste rhetoric, but it is what it is.

then why say I am privileged when I am not. the only reason to try an assign that to someone is a poor attempt at blame. that I am somehow more special because of the color of my skin.
that is the same rhetoric that white militants use. not a good logic road to go down.

I have also posted my proof re: the existence of privilege as demonstrated by the disparity statistics readily available for anyone with an internet account and a brain.

I have proved that culture has more to do with those statistics than does the color of their skin.

The one thing I've suddenly realized is that, while you have spouted off incessantly across two threads for a couple days now, I'm not sure you've posted a single thing to support any of your claims. Are we supposed to accept that your rhetoric trumps statistics? Do you actually have a point, or are you here just to blabber and insult and generally make a nuisance of yourself? You've said a whole lot without really saying anything, so I thought I'd check.

I have posted plenty to support my claims the fact you ignore them is not my issue. you on the other hand have not.
yes you have spouted a bunch of rhetoric for the past couple of days.
you might try to actual read something and stop projecting SJ rhetoric at people.

facts are facts. cultural attitude has more of an impact than skin color.
more so family conditions have more of an impact than skin color.

the facts don't lie.
also these things don't apply to just blacks it applies to all colors of skin.

you want to close the gap fix the family unit first. skin color won't fix that.

 

[AGENT J]

Stop being so damn right and logical, will you? You're gonna trigger someone...........plus, you're being racist.

Yup, I felt about as dumb saying that as I thought I would.

You are right, of course.

I cant help it, its just how i am

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

What am I supposed to do with that little piece of knowledge?

Am I supposed to be ashamed? Am I supposed to just shrug and move on with my life like I always have, only slightly more 'enlightened'? Something else?

All of us whities are required to submit to analysis by a Trump certified tech using a Trump certified tech calibrated spectrometer to determine the exact degree of whiteness or lack thereof. Following that, a downward flow of reparations from lightness to darkness will take place.

Get a TAN, MAN!

 

[OlNate]

White privilege only exists in comparison. It's not so much that whites 'have privileges', but all other ethnic groups have disadvantages. In a true equitable society, those disadvantages would exist. That is why you have a perception that 'white privilege does not exist'. If you have two people starting off at the same level , theoretically, they should have equal opportunity to improve themselves. The white privilege comes in effect where the non-white has to work much harder to get half the result.

Yes.

I would add, that's what ALL privilege is. The definition:

priv·i·lege

/ˈpriv(ə)lij/

noun

noun: privilege; plural noun: privileges

1. a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

It's not just about rights, but also immunities and advantages. So the fact that disparity exists at all points to immunities and advantages for those in the non-marginalized demographic. This is pretty basic.

 

[Captain America]

White privilege is not being called a thug, even when you are being a thug.

Oh please........

The most famous thugs in history are white. They were called thugs then and they're called thugs now.

People are called thugs when they are lawless, violent and in general, pieces of ****. Skin color has nothing to do with it. You think Al Capone, Bonnie and Clyde, Machine Gun Kelly, were called thugs because of their skin color?

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Upon further investigation, Chester rejected a plea deal that would have probably resulted in Life Sentences instead of the Death Penalty. I concede your point that White Privilege probably did not factor into their sentence disparity in any major way. I think Todd has an IQ edge over Chester.

By "similar case" do you mean black serial killers who are also real estate agents?

Or are you focused on how long the serial killer evaded arrest? If so, I'm thinking of Chester Turner, the LA "Southside Killer," who, despite being arrested for other crimes several times, wasn't connected to the killings for seven years and until a sample of his DNA was obtained.

And then there is Coral Eugene Watts, who killed women from Michigan to Texas from 1974 until 1982. (He was a schizophrenic, and somebody I knew taught him in prison and said that when he was one his meds, he was a nice person.) Carl Eugene Watts | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

I don't know that it's so much race as it is occupation that matters here. And killing pattern. Some serial killers are spree killers.

Governess led the way in challenging my view. In post #160 I concede.

I made most of my posts in this thread tongue-in-cheek. After 58 years of Segregation (Separate but Equal), 1896 - 1954, I think our Nation has made remarkable progress on the racial front, certainly evidenced by Obama's eight years as POTUS. Progress, not perfection... may our Best Times lie ahead!

 

[OlNate]

then why say I am privileged when I am not. the only reason to try an assign that to someone is a poor attempt at blame. that I am somehow more special because of the color of my skin.
that is the same rhetoric that white militants use. not a good logic road to go down.



I have proved that culture has more to do with those statistics than does the color of their skin.





I have posted plenty to support my claims the fact you ignore them is not my issue. you on the other hand have not.
yes you have spouted a bunch of rhetoric for the past couple of days.
you might try to actual read something and stop projecting SJ rhetoric at people.

facts are facts. cultural attitude has more of an impact than skin color.
more so family conditions have more of an impact than skin color.

the facts don't lie.
also these things don't apply to just blacks it applies to all colors of skin.

you want to close the gap fix the family unit first. skin color won't fix that.

Please reference the posts where you've cited statistics that support your views, I haven't seen them. "Cuz I said so" is not statistical proof, by the way, just so you're not confused out of the gates.

You are privileged, by nature of the fact that you belong to a privileged demographic. How you mess it up from there is certainly on you, or your parents maybe, but before you did a single thing in your life you were born into a privileged demographic simply because you were born white.

I tell you it's not about guilt, you say it is, that's on you, boo boo. Go back and see how often I've explained the guilt aspect, I'm not doing it again.

 

[calamity]

Maybe we should start with the basics, you know since people need to learn to walk before they can run.

1. Are there advantages to being born into wealth or legacy, you know things like knowing your grandfather was a WW2 war hero or started a successful plumbing business and then found a better way to make faucets? It's helpful to be one of their grand kids. Right?

2. Were Whites at a huge advantage versus Blacks in things like acquiring an education, having business opportunities and the ability to accumulate wealth--you know, like starting a plumbing business and patenting a new style of faucet--down in the Southern US prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Probably. Right?

3. Were Whites at an even bigger advantage than Blacks in the antebellum South when Whites could actually own Blacks and sell them off like cattle? Uh, yeah, without a doubt. Amirite?

Of course there is white privilege. Denying it is asinine.

 

[radcen]

White privilege is not being called a thug, even when you are being a thug.

"Thug" not not part of my normal vocabulary. The only person I recall calling a thug in recent years is Vladimir Putin. I've called him a thug many times. That's how I view him.

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes.

I would add, that's what ALL privilege is. The definition:

priv·i·lege

/ˈpriv(ə)lij/

noun

noun: privilege; plural noun: privileges

1. a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

It's not just about rights, but also immunities and advantages. So the fact that disparity exists at all points to immunities and advantages for those in the non-marginalized demographic. This is pretty basic.

Last year, I spent about 7 months down in Texas, coming down from the north east. The way that the minorities are treated down there has a much more blatant discrimination. Where I was, there were very few blacks, so I didn't get much opportunity to see how the attitudes of people who had to interact with them as much as I saw with the Hispanic population, but the service in restaurants was sometimes different, and there was a huge difference in how the folks behind the desk in city hall treated people of Mexican decent and whites. They were much more accommodating to me, even though I was an obvious Yankee, verses people who had Mexican accents and were of darker complexion. While I had intellectually understood the concept of 'white privilege' before, that sort of had it hit home. I don't think most people thought about it at all, since it was just the way things were, and what they were used to.