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Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

blackjack50 said:
Personal responsibility? That's racist! :lol:
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anymore one would think that.
blaming or attempting to blame other people for life decisions that someone makes is ignorance.

I know successful white and black people. I am proud to work with a lot of them in my company.
I also know a lot of white trash who blame others for their misfortune.

A while back ago I ran into one of those poor misfortunate people. his mom worked at a restaurant that I went to. it was a small place.

anyway he started complaining about how no one would give him a chance. I went off on him a bit.

I was like people will give you a chance when you give yourself a chance.
I said pull the metal out of your face. An earing is ok but not for an interview.
I said put on a shirt instead of a tank top. pull our pants up (they were down around his ankles) get your hair cut.
(it was nasty looking and greasy looking).

He got mad. he was like I'm not rich like you. I said I am not rich. I was making 10 bucks an hour at the time.
I said my clothes are 4 years old. I said it doesn't take a lot of money to go down to JC penny buy a polo shirt and a pair of slack for
30 bucks or less. you can go to walmart or pay less and buy a pair of dress shoes or casual dress shoes for 10 bucks.

you get 1 time to impress someone to hire you. Your appearance matters.
I said there is a community college right up the road. go there and get a degree in a field.
your not going to get a job without a degree. even an associate is better than a high school diploma.

I said if that isn't for you then go to a trade school and learn a trade. electrician, plumbing, anything.
however no one is going to feel sorry for you and simply give you a job making 20 bucks an hour.
 
blackjack50 said:
1.)white privilege is really not a reality.
2.) When you start to ask yourself WHY is being white a "privilege," you maybe will realize the flaw in the argument.
3.) And even more so when you try to apply it every white person. Because you can't.
4.) The idea of white privilege...is actually prettt racist.
5.) And flawed from the outset.
6.)As another user posted...culture is a big deal in how you end up.
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1.) LMAO of course it is, its pure reality in this country and denying it is simply intellectually dishonest.
in this country if you take 100 white men and 100 black men and make them identical in every way but race . . money, family . . etc etc identical . .one avg whites will have it easier. Thats plain reality. Does that mean that every white person gets magical treatment and every black person gets nothing . . of course not, that would also be nonsense. But the reality is on avg the white group will fair better individually and over all. Ig a person cant see that, thats their own ignorance of reality to over come.
2.) Its "existence" is not an argument nor is acknowledging it a flaw in anyway. Now if you would like to discuss the depths of it and how it actually impacts things and etc etc of course that is debatable but not its existence
3.) where did i apply it to every white person? see, very quickly the only flaws exposed are your false assumptions about what it is, just like i said thats just topical ignorance. Please dont make stuff up ecause it will make it harder for you to grasp reality of this topic
4.) there actually nothing racist about acknowledging the fact it exists at all, it intellectual honesty is what it is
5.) again the only thing flawed and you just proved it is your made up definitions of what you claim doesn't exist. I would agree what you seem to be saying does not exist, but white privileged does,
6.) yes it is i agree 100% and that still doesnt change the fact that white privileged exists. I dont know what you falsely think it is but that is your issue not mine. sorry :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
That's about the stupidest article I've ever read. so you are incapable of articulating what one should do about "white privilege", but link to some idiot's article which basically is the same garbage that mtv video I linked to you said.


And I'm right, what you think is helping is sitting around with other white people on how to treat minorities and blacks..... Do your realize how ****ing racist the concept and your article is?


Treat people as people, white man looking at black man and thinking they have to be treated differently is pretty much the very definition of racism. Stay woke, bro.
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this concept goes over there head.
for the simple fact that it makes people not someone else responsible.

that is the entire SJW movement is to blame other people (mostly white people) for the ills of everyone else.
it is a pretty fascist view actually.

it is along the same logical lines that white militants use.
 
radcen said:
Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

What am I supposed to do with that little piece of knowledge?

Am I supposed to be ashamed? Am I supposed to just shrug and move on with my life like I always have, only slightly more 'enlightened'? Something else?
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I don't know. Sing a song?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So every time a white person looks at a black person and interacts, they need to keep in mind that this is a black person and we should be aware they are not as well off as the white guy? Is that what you are saying?
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Too broad.

I believe it's less black/white and more privileged/not privileged.
 
ludin said:
this concept goes over there head.
for the simple fact that it makes people not someone else responsible.

that is the entire SJW movement is to blame other people (mostly white people) for the ills of everyone else.
it is a pretty fascist view actually.

it is along the same logical lines that white militants use.
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lol...so the fact that you're simply playing in your echo chamber today means you're not going to answer my questions from last night? That's almost cute.
 
radcen said:
lots of "privilege remarks, including Intelligence privilege: Smart people have advantages over dumb people.
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Sociologists don't overlook these, there are countless studies that control for wealth contribution to success, gender, education, etc. Not all criteria are easy to compare apples/to oranges (nation), and the number of advantages are enormous..they bracket out the ones that are significant.

Most of them are just referred to as what they are...gender, education level, etc. and based on the data they may describe them as having an "advantage". They don't use the term privilege, it's a secondary effect if any. White privilege on the other hand, there's no other underlying term to describe it. It's really [majority race/culture] advantage, and is mostly relevant if you have a widespread dominant race/culture.

People typically associate with what they feel comfortable with. It can even be subconscious. When you hire, do you hire the person like you, or who is from an entirely different culture/race? Statistically, people tend to bend that curve towards their own identity group. Same when you accept someone in an organization that's selective, or seek out a business partner....or grade a paper, or make a traffic stop...

It's important so that in areas where these issues arise in a significant way, you can be aware of it, and in some cases, get training to help awareness. That's mostly it.

Now, if some SJW or political protest group, who just like all such groups enjoy controversy and conflict a a way to bring attention to their cause, if they use "white privilege" as a pejorative, tell them what we all tell the extreme SJW nutjobs - **** off. Letting extremists direct your opposition plays into their hands, no different than Islamic extremists vs mainstream Islam. Are you that type?
 
Captain America said:
But I say, if people do "right" they are blessed with privileges. If they do "wrong," they get what they deserve, as well.
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I don't think that's really true. Lots of people try to do "right" while also having very little in terms of 'privilege' (whatever you might define that as).
 
Todd Kohlhepp, an admitted Serial Killer, established a successful Real Estate Business in South Carolina. Upon discovery last year of a chained woman inside a storage container on Todd's 95 acre estate, Todd admitted to repeatedly sexually abusing the woman and to the murder of multiple people over a period of more than ten years.

Did 'White Privilege" help Todd become a successful Real Estate Broker and elude arrest for so many years? Can you identify a similar case involving a Black Person?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Kohlhepp

ToddKohlhepp.webp
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Todd Kohlhepp, an admitted Serial Killer, established a successful Real Estate Business in South Carolina. Upon discovery last year of a chained woman inside a storage container on Todd's 95 acre estate, Todd admitted to repeatedly sexually abusing the woman and to the murder of multiple people over a period of more than ten years.

Did 'White Privilege" help Todd become a successful Real Estate Broker and elude arrest for so many years? Can you identify a similar case involving a Black Person?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Kohlhepp

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Yep.
You just don't hear about as many "POC" serial killers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Turner
 
AGENT J said:
1.) LMAO of course it is, its pure reality in this country and denying it is simply intellectually dishonest.
in this country if you take 100 white men and 100 black men and make them identical in every way but race . . money, family . . etc etc identical . .one avg whites will have it easier. Thats plain reality. Does that mean that every white person gets magical treatment and every black person gets nothing . . of course not, that would also be nonsense. But the reality is on avg the white group will fair better individually and over all. Ig a person cant see that, thats their own ignorance of reality to over come.
2.) Its "existence" is not an argument nor is acknowledging it a flaw in anyway. Now if you would like to discuss the depths of it and how it actually impacts things and etc etc of course that is debatable but not its existence
3.) where did i apply it to every white person? see, very quickly the only flaws exposed are your false assumptions about what it is, just like i said thats just topical ignorance. Please dont make stuff up ecause it will make it harder for you to grasp reality of this topic
4.) there actually nothing racist about acknowledging the fact it exists at all, it intellectual honesty is what it is
5.) again the only thing flawed and you just proved it is your made up definitions of what you claim doesn't exist. I would agree what you seem to be saying does not exist, but white privileged does,
6.) yes it is i agree 100% and that still doesnt change the fact that white privileged exists. I dont know what you falsely think it is but that is your issue not mine. sorry :shrug:
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I appreciate the numbers. That will make this easier to respond to.

1) Whites will have it easier? Why? Observing that average doesn't mean it is a "privilege." Does that mean whites are superior to blacks? That we white people "cheat the system?" I guess you believe in Asian privilege too then right?

2) The existence IS in argument as you have already acknowledge...not every white person is privileged. Nor is every black disadvantaged. I will give you that there is an observable reality here about "privilege," but it isn't about skin color. It is about cultural values. Which sometimes have racial components, but I have significantly more in common with a religious southern rural black man than a non religious suburban white person in the northwest. Culturally that is.

And when you contextualize the discussion in that light...you see it isn't about color...but values.

3) A silly response predicated on your emotions. Essentially you are so offended by the notion that white privilege is crap...because it shatters a political word view. I guess it would be hard on me if I had to start accepting personal responsibility for my own position in life...rather than blaming others. Oh wait! I do that already!

4) Really? Nothing racist about acknowledging that black people are inferior and are completely incapable of succeeding and their skin color is what holds them back? That they ask individuals have no realistic control over their destiny. They will always be black and disadvantaged. :eye roll:

See. You can pretend the personal responsibility crowd is racist...but at least we believe that someone is capable of anything regardless of color.

5) Again. Flawed concept from the outset. 50 years ago? I would agree. I'm 2017 after we had a black president? I don't. Which leads me too...

6) Cultural values are far more valuable than race. Being white doesn't give you a leg up. The only way it does...is that you don't have an excuse for why you suck at life. And the reality here is that...plenty of blacks and other races have showed that to be true. They don't suck at life and have good cultural values and succeed.

So you can accept that personal responsibility gets you a long way in life...or not. But THAT is an actual reality.


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TheGoverness said:
I don't think that's really true. Lots of people try to do "right" while also having very little in terms of 'privilege' (whatever you might define that as).
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I suppose the term 'privileged' is subjective open for interpretation. This is true.

But, I'm willing to bet that these people who are doing 'right', regardless of their station in life, aren't sitting in prison blaming some white guy for their criminal nature.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Did 'White Privilege" help Todd become a successful Real Estate Broker and elude arrest for so many years?
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It's probably more due to the fact he lied on his application. It says so in the Wikipedia article.

Despite being registered as a sex offender, Kohlhepp was able to get a real estate license on June 30, 2006, after lying about the felony charge on his application.
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And nobody knew he was a serial killer until he was finally caught for his crimes, after one of his victims survived and escaped.
 
OlNate said:
lol...so the fact that you're simply playing in your echo chamber today means you're not going to answer my questions from last night? That's almost cute.
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you have yet to prove my skin gave my any privilege in life.
nor have you answered several questions I have asked.

that is pretty cute and shows that your argument has no merit.

when you can prove that what I have is because of my skin color then you might have an argument to make.
so far you have yet to be able to do that.

why do you feel guilty? if you have all this privilege why are you not giving it up to other people if you feel guilty about it.
that is the difference. I have no reason to feel guilty. I do not consider myself privileged.

stop trying to project your guilt on me it doesn't make for a good argument.
 
Captain America said:
I suppose the term 'privileged' is subjective open for interpretation. This is true.
But, I'm willing to bet that these people who are doing 'right', regardless of their station in life, aren't sitting in prison blaming some white guy for their criminal nature.
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No, you're looking at the wrong people.
Imagine a (absurd) rating of bad/unsuccessful <-------> good/successful (I mean bad/good outcomes)
<0....50.....100> That's our scale, bad on left, good on right.

Let's say Majority Advantage confers an average of +10 on that scale

People who are really good/successful, majority advantage isn't going to make a difference.
For a hardened criminal, its not going to matter so much (the justice system appears to be the weak link there!) For most people, it won't make a difference. As everyone is noting.

It's just those around the 50/100 mark, where it can push you into success, or not.
This is not a big deal right? I mean, a little +10 swing? (it's all made up at this point, but you get the meaning).

However, if you introduce competition, especially winner takes all, you only need to beat the competition, so a slight shift in that curve suddenly becomes pass and fail (for a job, or an investor etc)
So a judge/jury, being slightly over the guilty mark, or above it, makes all the difference in the world, in this example. Or a cop pulling their gun to fire.

Majority advantage is just one of many factors that negatively affect minority groups, so blaming one factor would be silly no matter what.
 
radcen said:
Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

What am I supposed to do with that little piece of knowledge?

Am I supposed to be ashamed? Am I supposed to just shrug and move on with my life like I always have, only slightly more 'enlightened'? Something else?
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You have done pretty much all you can do--acknowledge that it exists. No shame necessary. Acknowledge, and talk about it in public.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Did you notice White Todd did not get the Death Sentence and Black Chester did.
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Is that supposed to be evidence of "White privilege?"
Not other things involved with the case?

There was a White guy in my state, that was convicted of murder, he killed his former boss in a fit of rage.
1 murder and sentenced to death, only decades later was it commuted to a life sentence.
 
Trippy Trekker said:
Did you notice White Todd did not get the Death Sentence and Black Chester did.
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Once again, the article explains this. He took a plea deal.

On May 26, 2017, Kohlhepp pleaded guilty to seven counts of murder, two counts of kidnapping and one count of criminal sexual assault and was sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole in a plea bargain that spared Kohlhepp from capital punishment.
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blackjack50 said:
I appreciate the numbers. That will make this easier to respond to.

1) Whites will have it easier? Why? Observing that average doesn't mean it is a "privilege." Does that mean whites are superior to blacks? That we white people "cheat the system?" I guess you believe in Asian privilege too then right?

2) The existence IS in argument as you have already acknowledge...not every white person is privileged. Nor is every black disadvantaged. I will give you that there is an observable reality here about "privilege," but it isn't about skin color. It is about cultural values. Which sometimes have racial components, but I have significantly more in common with a religious southern rural black man than a non religious suburban white person in the northwest. Culturally that is.

And when you contextualize the discussion in that light...you see it isn't about color...but values.

3) A silly response predicated on your emotions. Essentially you are so offended by the notion that white privilege is crap...because it shatters a political word view. I guess it would be hard on me if I had to start accepting personal responsibility for my own position in life...rather than blaming others. Oh wait! I do that already!

4) Really? Nothing racist about acknowledging that black people are inferior and are completely incapable of succeeding and their skin color is what holds them back? That they ask individuals have no realistic control over their destiny. They will always be black and disadvantaged. :eye roll:

See. You can pretend the personal responsibility crowd is racist...but at least we believe that someone is capable of anything regardless of color.

5) Again. Flawed concept from the outset. 50 years ago? I would agree. I'm 2017 after we had a black president? I don't. Which leads me too...

6) Cultural values are far more valuable than race. Being white doesn't give you a leg up. The only way it does...is that you don't have an excuse for why you suck at life. And the reality here is that...plenty of blacks and other races have showed that to be true. They don't suck at life and have good cultural values and succeed.

So you can accept that personal responsibility gets you a long way in life...or not. But THAT is an actual reality.


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another great post in this thread, but it won't matter because you destroy their SJ meme.

I find that culture and family have stronger influences on success and not than the color of your skin.

a solid family unit is primary the key in success for children. this is a proven fact.
https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/

this is a huge statistic.
Black women are more likely to have children outside of marriage than other racial or ethnic groups. In that year, about 72% of births to black women were non-marital births.

Black and Hispanic women have the highest teen pregnancy rates — 100 and 84 per 1,000 women aged 15–19, respectively; whites have the lowest rate with 38 pregnancies per 1,000.
this is culture it has nothing to do with skin color.

this is the most telling statistic of all.

Poverty rates for Black families vary based on the family type. While 23% of all Black families live below the poverty level only 8% of Black married couple families live in poverty which is considerably lower than the 37% of Black families headed by single women who live below the poverty line. The highest poverty rates (46%) are for Black families with children which are headed by single Black women.

the biggest difference is between high school and college graduation rates.
again cultural.

amazing when you start looking at facts this "white privilege" thing goes out the window.
 
TheGoverness said:
It's probably more due to the fact he lied on his application. It says so in the Wikipedia article.



And nobody knew he was a serial killer until he was finally caught for his crimes, after one of his victims survived and escaped.
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After reading your response, the first question that came to mind: Would a Black Person's application likely face more scrutiny than White Todd did?

Immediately upon graduating University of Florida, I went to a Career Expo on Campus. The FBI had a booth. I had on a nice suit. The FBI staff at the booth rejected me for recruitment on a visual without ever reviewing my credentials. Even though I talk White, I have Brown Skin. White Privilege may have increased my chances at being recruited.
 
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