Ok, I acknowledge I have "white privilege". Now what?

[Captain America]

Maybe we should start with the basics, you know since people need to learn to walk before they can run.

1. Are there advantages to being born into wealth or legacy, you know things like knowing your grandfather was a WW2 war hero or started a successful plumbing business and then found a better way to make faucets? It's helpful to be one of their grand kids. Right?

2. Were Whites at a huge advantage versus Blacks in things like acquiring an education, having business opportunities and the ability to accumulate wealth--you know, like starting a plumbing business and patenting a new style of faucet--down in the Southern US prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Probably. Right?

3. Were Whites at an even bigger advantage than Blacks in the antebellum South when Whites could actually own Blacks and sell them off like cattle? Uh, yeah, without a doubt. Amirite?

Of course there is white privilege. Denying it is asinine.

There is white privilege. Math don't lie.

To use an analogy..............

It is unfair to keep a man locked in a cage, feed him bread and water for 200 years, then suddenly, open the cage and say "You're free!" and expect that man to keep up in a foot race with another man who has had the benefit of education and three well balanced meals a day, for that same 200 years.

This fact cannot be denied.

How long is it going to take the man in the cage to get his education and nourishment in order to compete? Especially if that man appears to show no interest? That is up to that individual. Life is a series of choices, decisions and for every action there is a reaction.

People reap what they sow. There is enough blame to go around. We can wallow in it or fix it. That too, is an individual decision.

 

[calamity]

"Thug" not not part of my normal vocabulary. The only person I recall calling a thug in recent years is Vladimir Putin. I've called him a thug many times. That's how I view him.

So does McCain. I'm certainly going to miss having him around.

 

[calamity]

There is white privilege. Math don't lie.

To use an analogy..............

It is unfair to keep a man locked in a cage, feed him bread and water for 200 years, then suddenly, open the cage and say "You're free!" and expect that man to keep up in a foot race with another man who has had the benefit of education and three well balanced meals a day, for that same 200 years.

This fact cannot be denied.

How long is it going to take the man in the cage to get his education and nourishment in order to compete? Especially if that man appears to show no interest? That is up to that individual. Life is a series of choices, decisions and for every action there is a reaction.

People reap what they sow. There is enough blame to go around. We can wallow in it or fix it. That too, is an individual decision.

Thanks. At least there is some common ground on which we do agree.

I really do not know what we can do to turn things around. And, the problems are deep on both sides.

This was evidenced with the Obamas, by all measures, people who have managed to get into the race, against all odds. But, what do we see? People all around saying they achieved those means only because they received Affirmative Action degrees and a bunch of sympathy votes handed them because of the color of their skin.

And, of course, we have a tremendous violence issue in the Black community. And, without question, that violence is of their own doing.

I do not believe the two issues are mutually exclusive however.

 

[nota bene]

There is white privilege. Math don't lie.

To use an analogy..............

It is unfair to keep a man locked in a cage, feed him bread and water for 200 years, then suddenly, open the cage and say "You're free!" and expect that man to keep up in a foot race with another man who has had the benefit of education and three well balanced meals a day, for that same 200 years.

This fact cannot be denied.

How long is it going to take the man in the cage to get his education and nourishment in order to compete? Especially if that man appears to show no interest? That is up to that individual. Life is a series of choices, decisions and for every action there is a reaction.

People reap what they sow. There is enough blame to go around. We can wallow in it or fix it. That too, is an individual decision.

Key word is "individual." I'm not sure what you call a fact actually is, and then there is the "tyranny of soft expectations" too. Your "the benefit of education and three well balanced meals a day, for that same 200 years" cannot explain away a Shirley Chisolm or Barbara Jordan or Walter. E. Williams, or William Raspberry or Larry Elder or Herman Cain or any number of academics with whom I've worked.

 

[OlNate]

Sure do.

Asian Americans | Pew Research Center

Which really supports my theory that money and personal responsibility are your real factors in getting a leg up.


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Thanks for posting this. However, I'm not sure it's the win you think it is.

For example, your data set indicates that 74% of Asian Americans over the age of 18 were born out of country. This means that the basis for their is not American, it's something else. It also means they haven't been culturally influenced by multi-generational institutional discrimination. It also means that, because of immigration policy, the folks that are immigrating to America have some kind of pre-established skills, they've been educated elsewhere.

So, while I think this is a great data set (thanks for the link, sincerely), it's an apples and oranges comparison when analyzing black disparity, and resulting white privilege, in comparison.

Here's a link for you that explains it way better than I do.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/asian-american-success-and-the-pitfalls-of-generalization/

What do you think?

 

[calamity]

Key word is "individual." I'm not sure what you call a fact actually is, and then there is the "tyranny of soft expectations" too. Your "the benefit of education and three well balanced meals a day, for that same 200 years" cannot explain away a Shirley Chisolm or Barbara Jordan or Walter. E. Williams, or William Raspberry or Larry Elder or Herman Cain or any number of academics with whom I've worked.

The last few names remind me of another White Privilege. White privilege is being free to choose whether you will lean Left or Right politically without being called Plantation Democrat or Uncle Tom Republican.

 

[radcen]

The last few names remind me of another White Privilege. White privilege is being free to choose whether you will lean Left or Right politically without being called Plantation Democrat or Uncle Tom Republican.

A label commonly used by other blacks, too. Just to be fair.

They're treated almost as traitors in the black community.

 

[calamity]

A label commonly used by other blacks, too. Just to be fair.

They're treated almost as traitors in the black community.

Absolutely.

 

[nota bene]

The last few names remind me of another White Privilege. White privilege is being free to choose whether you will lean Left or Right politically without being called Plantation Democrat or Uncle Tom Republican.

Why, yes. To qualify as an "Uncle Tom" or "Aunt Jemima" or an "Oreo," you have to be black. The problem isn't in the choice of leaning left or right but, rather, the ignoids who use the derisive terms. Herman Cain doesn't have a problem; those who style him in this way do.

 

[Critter7r]

the same applies to white single parents as well. the reason it is lower is that there are fewer white single parent homes than black people.

Except that's not true.

9 million white single-parent homes. 6.3 million black single-parent homes.

Children in single-parent families by race | KIDS COUNT Data Center

I suspect you may have meant that a smaller percentage of white children live in single family homes, but you didn't say it that way because then you would be helping to make a case for the point you are arguing against.

 

[AGENT J]

Doesn't anybody have a factual or logical reason why it doesn't exist yet that isn't made up or a strawman?
Also please try to just focus on its existence . . NOBODY here is saying its a legit sole excuse or personal responsibility doesn't exists. That narrative will never be taken seriously since people aren't actually claiming it.

 

[akyron]

I let a black guy go in front of me in traffic today.

I let someone go in front of me in traffic today. I had no idea what they looked like.

Maybe im breaking the rules.

 

[radcen]

Except that's not true.

9 million white single-parent homes. 6.3 million black single-parent homes.

Children in single-parent families by race | KIDS COUNT Data Center

I suspect you may have meant that a smaller percentage of white children live in single family homes, but you didn't say it that way because then you would be helping to make a case for the point you are arguing against.

Given the rather large disparity between total raw numbers of each group, percentages would be a better measure.

25% white - 67% black... per your own link.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Too broad.

I believe it's less black/white and more privileged/not privileged.

I don't disagree with economic privilege, Kinda should, no?

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

No, that your personal experience represents a measurable disparity for white people. You are using your brother and sister as a way to dismiss the concept of privilege. I'm just wondering how that negates the reams and reams of statistics demonstrating black disparity. I've got those statistics, I don't have yours. Got any?

Those statistics prove what exactly? That there are more European Americans than African Americans?

 

[Mason66]

Real question, or troll bait?

When you say something you should be prepared to back it up.

You said get involved.

Now explain to us what we should get involved with.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

There is white privilege. Math don't lie.

To use an analogy..............

It is unfair to keep a man locked in a cage, feed him bread and water for 200 years, then suddenly, open the cage and say "You're free!" and expect that man to keep up in a foot race with another man who has had the benefit of education and three well balanced meals a day, for that same 200 years.

This fact cannot be denied.

In much of the black community, if you try to get educated, you are considered a sell out and "acting white". The number one killer of young black males are other young black males. most black childeren are born to single mothers, I think that's by far a much more of the actual problem than generations past of the slave trade or some ill concieved notion of "white privilege".


Now those are facts that cannot be denied.

How long is it going to take the man in the cage to get his education and nourishment in order to compete? Especially if that man appears to show no interest? That is up to that individual. Life is a series of choices, decisions and for every action there is a reaction.

People reap what they sow. There is enough blame to go around. We can wallow in it or fix it. That too, is an individual decision.

How many former slaves are alive today?

 

[Mason66]

My white privilege.

Being able to catch a cab, driven by an immigrant driver, who is hesistant to pick up other immigrant customers at the time and place where he picked me up.
Being able to go up to my apartment and get some cash because the cc machine isn't working, without the driver being worried I'll skip the bill.
And not having to leave any collateral while doing so, even though I offer and ask if he isn't worried. "Nah. He knows my type, and I'm not a risk."

Of course it is not actually any real privilege. It is a combination of look, dress, and mannerisms that plays into the driver's preconceptions.
In this case his prejudice is working for me rather than against me. But they are his preconceptions, not mine, and it is still prejudice.
Had I been dressed differently, spoken differently, or looked differently, other sets of preconceptions would have come into play. Maybe for better, maybe for worse, but still his, not mine.

Maybe I should have skipped the bill, and taught him that prejudice is bad. Or given him a "privilege" sermon.
After all, that is what we try to do. Encourage good and discourage bad, sometimes by carrot and sometimes by stick.
Or maybe that would create more problems than it solves. Gotta be careful about what solutions you implement, dontchaknow? Merely identifying a problem isn't the same as solving it after all.

How did this driver come to have these preconceived notions? Did he make them up out of thin air or has he been burned time and time again by the people you think he has a prejudice against?

 

[Mason66]

lol...watch any show on court TV, count the number of Black judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys. Then get back to me.

Check out any list of fortune 500 CEO's and VP's. Count the number of people who are not white. Then get back to me.

Stop at a bar on the side of the road in, let's say, Kansas. Count the number of white people, Asians and Blacks. Then get back to me.

Should there be a majority of blacks or should it be exactly to the percentage they are of the population?

If there are 10 people in the room, how many should be black, according to you?

 

[OlNate]

Those statistics prove what exactly? That there are more European Americans than African Americans?

Mmm....no.

 

[Mason66]

White Privilege: When George W Bush gets a degree from Yale and Donald Trump gets one from Wharton, they earned it. When Barack Obama gets one from Harvard and his wife Michelle gets one from Princeton--Affirmative Action.

Who said Obama got a degree because of AA.

It has been suggested he got in because of AA, but not getting the degree.

If he would have released his transcripts, nobody would anything to say about the subject.

 

[OlNate]

When you say something you should be prepared to back it up.

You said get involved.

Now explain to us what we should get involved with.

Oh...well, that post had a link attached that kind of went through that, if you're interested. You read that, or did your hard on to put me in my place get in the way?

 

[Mason66]

Yes.

I would add, that's what ALL privilege is. The definition:

priv·i·lege

/ˈpriv(ə)lij/

noun

noun: privilege; plural noun: privileges

1. a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.

It's not just about rights, but also immunities and advantages. So the fact that disparity exists at all points to immunities and advantages for those in the non-marginalized demographic. This is pretty basic.

Now explain what immunities and advantages whites have. Remember that if you attribute an immunity or advantage to whites, that would mean all whites and not just some.

Please go on ahead.

 

[OlNate]

Now explain what immunities and advantages whites have. Remember that if you attribute an immunity or advantage to whites, that would mean all whites and not just some.

Please go on ahead.

It's been explained multiple times, by myself and others, go back and read the thread, and ask me your questions when you're caught up.

This is the second time you're asking me for things I've already done...if I didn't know better, I'd think you were just trying to be a d-bag. But we both know you're not..................right?

 

[calamity]

Should there be a majority of blacks or should it be exactly to the percentage they are of the population?

If there are 10 people in the room, how many should be black, according to you?

Thanks for making my point about white privilege....best part is you don't even know you are making my point about white privilege. :lol: